I hope McDonalds people get $15/hr

[4est_4est_Gump]

If you have a basement full of money you can in fact swim in it like Scrooge McDuck.

*chuckle*

Trü dat!

 

[unregistered]

 

[BotanyBoy]

You think they keep that money in the basement and swim in it like Scrooge McDuck?

uhhhh
http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/5134dcdcecad048159000009-940-514/wealth3.jpg

It gets invested and pooled and fuels the economy.

Sorry that's just not reality. They are hording it b/c it's so much they literally couldn't spend it all if they tried.
http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/5134dcdcecad048159000009-940-514/wealth3.jpg

It is not your purpose in life to dictate what is enough money

No but it's is my duty as a citizen to say that it's bullshit the tax payer is feeding company x, y and z's employees because they can buy off the GOP.

even if you do it through the brute tyranny of Democracy based upon a Socialist morality that makes you sound like a noble knight coming to the rescue of the downtrodden.

Says the crony capitalist...

"oh no god forbid we make the richest people on earth pay their fucking employees enough to eat instead of busing them to them health and human services department as part of orientation to save a percentage. "

how come you "capitalist" are so against paying your fucking bills...it's not a tax it's the cost of doing business, and if you were paying your fucking bills in the first fucking place we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The anti-American commie BotanyBoy would like to Sovietize the economy, outlaw private property so his heroes in government can dictate how we all should live and share.

I have no comment on the individual other than his inability to carry a train of thought which caused him to treat each and every post as if he were on the hunt for a walnut tree and thus must comment on very single sentence.

In general, the school of thought is based upon true concern and altruism and the frustration of individually unable to affect any change in the lives of others leads them to causes to champion as part of a group and naturally then, with numbers turning to government to enact their dreams, dreams which they believe will march right up to their front porch, but leave them at peace, for they are living, and more importantly, thinking, right.


__________________

AJ: I live in an oak forest...

fs: AJ, I'm standing in front of this tree and it's clearly a walnut, you don't live in an oak forest.

AJ: A forest will have more than one type of tree, but one usually predominates.

fs: All I see is this fucking Walnut tree! You're misusing the term Oak. It's just a forest.

AJ: 90% of the trees are oak.

fs: Now, you're just redefining the terms... We can't go any further with this conversation until you admit that this is a walnut tree...

AJ: Yes firespin, it's a walnut tree.

fs: Then you lied, you're stupid, you're inconsistent, and you make NO sense what-so-ever...

 

[BotanyBoy]

The anti-American commie BotanyBoy would like to Sovietize the economy, outlaw private property so his heroes in government can dictate how we all should live and share.

No I just want the republicans to pay their fucking bills and quit mooching off the tax payers to feed their employees.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"No but it's is my duty as a citizen to say that it's bullshit the tax payer is feeding company x, y and z's employees because they can buy off the GOP."

They can buy off the Dems too, but since most progressive/socialist/Pragmatic Centrists are on the same page, the party often does not have to be purchased.

If the government had not grown to be such an intrusion and unavoidable facet of our lives and pursuits, then their would be nothing to purchase for it would have no weapons of extortion at its command.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I am not a fucking Republican.


I am a former Democrat (Socialist) turned Libertarian (Anarcho-Capitalist).


So shut the fuck up about paying the bills. It is a meaningless challenge.

 

[unregistered]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I can only judge him by his posts. When he demands that private companies be forced to give their employees something for nothing, pay them more than they are worth in the market place, he's advocating totalitarianism that we all know has enslaved people and ultimately failed.

Here is something he should read:

http://mises.org/daily/6605/Guardians-of-the-Warfare-State



Very well thought-out.

 

[unregistered]

 

[unregistered]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The best thing he can do is to not shop at Walmart.


The most important Democratic vote that you can make is with your dollars.

I will shop at Walmart because it is a smart economic choice and I do not see shackles on any of the employees...

 

[BotanyBoy]

They can buy off the Dems too, but since most progressive/socialist/Pragmatic Centrists are on the same page, the party often does not have to be purchased.

Are you kidding? You know how much money big pharma/J&J pour into the DNC? Big bux...I never said they weren't bought and paid for.

If the government had not grown to be such an intrusion and unavoidable facet of our lives and pursuits,

BUT IT HAS....DEAL WITH IT.

then their would be nothing to purchase for it would have no weapons of extortion at its command.

BUT THEY ARE....WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE WE DO ABOUT IT?

I am not a fucking Republican.

You're cheering their crony propaganda.

I am a former Democrat (Socialist) turned Libertarian (Anarcho-Capitalist).

I don't care...you're cheering the tax payer subsidizing wal mart's labor via public assistance. You're a crony not an anarcho...and anarcho would want to crucify walmart for including food stamp applications with their new hire packets.

No capitalist worth their weight in shit would take advantage of the tax payer like Wal Mart and various other corporations have.

So shut the fuck up about paying the bills. It is a meaningless challenge.

No it's not that's why it piss's you the fuck off so bad.

Wal Mart needs to pay it's fucking employee's not run them through the welfare shop before starting their 7.50/hr job.

No you don't. You want to destroy our right to free choice, what's left of our free enterprise system. You want to help Obama build Leviathan.

LMFAO Shut your fucking cunt mouth....What about my free choice not to feed wal mart's employees mother fucker?

Shouldn't that be the wal mart consumers responsibility???

Nope, of course not, in Vetteland it's only welfare if you're a democrat, if your a Republicant it's free choice.

You think it's the tax payers job to feed the laborers of republican companies...not medical care companies though!!! that's evil socialism!!

Jesus fucking christ have you no shame?

The best thing he can do is to not shop at Walmart.

Doesn't matter when they take it out on the tax payer now does it??

The most important Democratic vote that you can make is with your dollars.

Except crony capitalist like you and vette support wal mart taking it out on the tax payer instead of their consumers.

I will shop at Walmart because it is a smart economic choice and I do not see shackles on any of the employees...

The shackles of wal mart are on the tax payer moron.....that's what I have been trying to tell your dumb ass.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The Post-Work Economy
A permanent dependency class means a citizenry deprived of dignity.
Mark Steyn, NRO
DECEMBER 6, 2013

One consequence of the botched launch of Obamacare is that it has, judging from his plummeting numbers with “Millennials,” diminished Barack Obama’s cool. It’s not merely that the website isn’t state-of-the-art but that the art it’s flailing to be state of is that of the mid-20th-century social program. The emperor has hipster garb, but underneath he’s just another Commissar Squaresville. So, health care being an irredeemable downer for the foreseeable future, this week the president pivoted (as they say) to “economic inequality,” which will be, he assures us, his principal focus for the rest of his term. And what’s his big idea for this new priority? Stand well back: He wants to increase the minimum wage!

Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos of Amazon (a non-government website) is musing about delivering his products to customers across the country (and the planet) within hours by using drones.

Drones! If there’s one thing Obama can do, it’s drones. He’s renowned across Yemen and Waziristan as the Domino’s of drones. If he’d thought to have your health-insurance-cancellation notices dropped by drone, Obamacare might have been a viable business model. Yet, even in Obama’s sole area of expertise and dominant market share, the private sector is already outpacing him.

Who has a greater grasp of the economic contours of the day after tomorrow — Bezos or Obama? My colleague Jonah Goldberg notes that the day before the president’s speech on “inequality,” Applebee’s announced that it was introducing computer “menu tablets” to its restaurants. Automated supermarket checkout, 3D printing, driverless vehicles . . . what has the “minimum wage” to do with any of that? To get your minimum wage increased, you first have to have a minimum-wage job.

...

What do millions of people do in a world in which, in Marxian terms, “capital” no longer needs “labor”? America’s liberal elite seem to enjoy having a domestic-servant class on hand, but, unlike the Downton Abbey crowd, are vaguely uncomfortable with having them drawn from the sturdy yokel stock of the village, and thus favor, to a degree only the Saudis can match, importing their maids and pool-boys from a permanent subordinate class of cheap foreign labor. Hence the fetishization of the “undocumented,” soon to be reflected in the multi-million bipartisan amnesty for those willing to do “the jobs Americans won’t do.”

So what jobs will Americans get to do? We dignify the new age as “the knowledge economy,” although, to the casual observer, it doesn’t seem to require a lot of knowledge. One of the advantages of Obamacare, according to Nancy Pelosi, is that it will liberate the citizenry: “Think of an economy where people could be an artist or a photographer or a writer without worrying about keeping their day job in order to have health insurance.” It’s certainly true that employer-based health coverage distorts the job market, but what’s more likely in a world without work? A new golden age of American sculpture and opera? Or millions more people who live vicariously through celebrity gossip and electronic diversions? One of the differences between government health care in America compared to, say, Sweden is the costs of obesity, heart disease, childhood diabetes, etc. In an ever more sedentary society where fewer and fewer have to get up to go to work in the morning, is it likely that those trends will diminish or increase?

...

So what does every initiative of the Obama era have in common? Obamacare, Obamaphones, Social Security disability expansion, 50 million people on food stamps . . . The assumption is that mass, multi-generational dependency is now a permanent feature of life. A coastal elite will devise ever smarter and slicker trinkets, and pretty much everyone else will be a member of either the dependency class or the vast bureaucracy that ministers to them. And, if you’re wondering why every Big Government program assumes you’re a feeble child, that’s because a citizenry without “work and purpose” is ultimately incompatible with liberty. The elites think a smart society will be wealthy enough to relieve the masses from the need to work. In reality, it would be neo-feudal, but with fatter, sicker peasants. It wouldn’t just be “economic inequality,” but a far more profound kind, and seething with resentments.

One wouldn’t expect the governing class to be as far-sighted as visionaries like Bezos. But it’s hard to be visionary if you’re pointing in the wrong direction. Which is why the signature achievement of Obama’s “hope and change” combines 1940s British public-health theories with 1970s Soviet supermarket delivery systems. But don’t worry: Maybe one day soon, your needle-exchange clinic will be able to deliver by drone. Look out below.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Why would I criticize Walmart because they hand-out food stamp applications?

I do not want to micromanage their business.

I pay a lot of taxes that are given to a lot of companies directly or indirectly. I find the singling out of Walmart to be an Alinsky-type of technique. It is no more than going after one, the way the unions used to with the auto companies of Detroit to intimidate everyone to raising their wages, in order to level the playing field and give the working man a fair advantage. Now, Detroit is being leveled.

Once you do the same to retail, then you will suffer for your success.

I would desire to see less government taxation and largess and advocate it in general most every day. However, I am not going to starve myself to death because red states use government to subsidize food production any more than I am going to go buy more expensive toothpaste simply because Walmart doesn't pay well.

When they cannot find employees, they will raise their wage.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why would I criticize Walmart because they hand-out food stamp applications?

Because it's WRONG...the tax payer should not be charged to support any company's (and it isn't just wal mart, plenty of other republican interest do the same) labor force, it's just that simple. Either the company pays enough to keep their people off public assistance or they can't afford an employee.

You say you're a libertarian? You're a fucking LIAR and a poser you crony neocon sack of shit....supporting corporations subsidizing labor on the tax payer dime, it doesn't get any more crony than that.

And you support it

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Because it's WRONG...the tax payer should not be charged to support any company's labor force, it's just that simple. Either the company pays enough to keep their people off public assistance or they can't afford an employee.

You say you're a libertarian? You're a fucking LIAR and a poser you crony neocon sack of shit....supporting corporations subsidizing labor on the tax payer dime, it doesn't get any more crony than that.

And you support it

I do not think that the most of Walmart's employees are on public assistance.

Most of them are the second family income or living at home or in the dorm...

If they are working at Walmart AND living on government benefit, then they probably have some other significant problems that are holding them back in life. A sound economic polity is not one of fair and unfair or right or wrong; it's morality is based upon two parties agreeing upon a contract and short of fraud living up to that contract. Nobody forces anyone into working at Walmart which is why I referred to shackles.

Of course, I'm a liar because I do not hate Walmart. Is this really how you define "kicking my ass?"

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Are you boycotting food?



Or is it just Walmart?

 

[Phelia]

My goodness, that article's dumb. Rambling nonsense. I'm assuming his (and your) primary intention is to reiterate this point:

So what does every initiative of the Obama era have in common? Obamacare, Obamaphones, Social Security disability expansion, 50 million people on food stamps.

We'd have a lot less people on food stamps if employers paid workers enough to keep them out of poverty.

Jeff Bezos is a visionary? Yeah, Amazon has a great track record with their warehouse employees, and drone deliveries and Mechanical Turk are JUST what we need to get the country working again.

Great C&P! Keep it up!

 

[Phelia]

Why would I criticize Walmart because they hand-out food stamp applications?

I do not want to micromanage their business.

I pay a lot of taxes that are given to a lot of companies directly or indirectly. I find the singling out of Walmart to be an Alinsky-type of technique. It is no more than going after one, the way the unions used to with the auto companies of Detroit to intimidate everyone to raising their wages, in order to level the playing field and give the working man a fair advantage. Now, Detroit is being leveled.

Once you do the same to retail, then you will suffer for your success.

I would desire to see less government taxation and largess and advocate it in general most every day. However, I am not going to starve myself to death because red states use government to subsidize food production any more than I am going to go buy more expensive toothpaste simply because Walmart doesn't pay well.

When they cannot find employees, they will raise their wage.

"I do not want to micromanage their business."

So true. And companies should be able to dump their toxic waste wherever they'd like. And really, why do we even make them file taxes? We're just detracting from innovation by breathing over their shoulders like this. Hover parenting!

No one's singling out Walmart. Fast food workers are protesting across the industry. People shit on Target for their labor practices and union-busting all the time. You're deflecting.

 

[bg23]

"I do not want to micromanage their business."

So true. And companies should be able to dump their toxic waste wherever they'd like. And really, why do we even make them file taxes? We're just detracting from innovation by breathing over their shoulders like this. Hover parenting!

No one's singling out Walmart. Fast food workers are protesting across the industry. People shit on Target for their labor practices and union-busting all the time. You're deflecting.

we really should just stop taxing all companies that can employ people. because if they didn't get taxed obviously what they'd all then do is hire more people. by god, we've found the solution!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

My goodness, that article's dumb. Rambling nonsense. I'm assuming his (and your) primary intention is to reiterate this point:



We'd have a lot less people on food stamps if employers paid workers enough to keep them out of poverty.

Jeff Bezos is a visionary? Yeah, Amazon has a great track record with their warehouse employees, and drone deliveries and Mechanical Turk are JUST what we need to get the country working again.

Great C&P! Keep it up!

If you pay workers more, you either go out of business, short your stockholders, hire fewer employees, raise the prices of your goods and services, or a combination of all of the above. If you go out of business you hire no employees. If you do not pay dividends you lose investment capital and then you are back to one, out of business. Hiring fewer employees leads to more people getting nothing rather than something and increases the supposed need for more government programs (not that a people in love with government programs for charity are ever going to be sated with current programs when more can be argued for). If you raise the costs of goods and services, then people lose purchasing power and this does not lead to more jobs leaving job hunters out in the cold.

We have all seen egalitarian societies crash and burn over this issue. East Germany was a wonderful example of what happens when you mandate full employment and living wages. They are doing that in Venezuela now. Eventually you run out of everything for an economy cannot be consciously directed, it is beyond the ability of even the best and brightest minds for it is a chaotic (mathematically) system.

I have one c&p because it is a clever summation of things going on in the nation.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

we really should just stop taxing all companies that can employ people. because if they didn't get taxed obviously what they'd all then do is hire more people. by god, we've found the solution!

Business does not "pay" tax. It collects it.

It collects it from its customers and then hands it over to government.

In effect, you turn it into the thief and the government plays fence, in this case a Robin-Hood fence who then gives it to the "victims" of big business.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I do not think that the most of Walmart's employees are on public assistance.

You think wrong, and need to research beyond FOX.

Most of them are the second family income or living at home or in the dorm...

You are wrong....and even if you were right, they are still using a low min wage to supplement their employees compensation. Any sane capitalist/conservative/LIBERTARIAN would see that for the corruption that it is.

If they are working at Walmart AND living on government benefit, then they probably have some other significant problems that are holding them back in life.

Sometimes....but mostly not...mostly it's just b/c they only make 15k a year before taxes.

A sound economic polity is not one of fair and unfair or right or wrong; it's morality is based upon two parties agreeing upon a contract and short of fraud living up to that contract.

You're living in a fantasy world, that's not how things work in the US.

Any more pie in the sky?

Nobody forces anyone into working at Walmart which is why I referred to shackles.

No but by voting to keep min wage low (as these companies have lobbied the Republicans which you support whole heatedly here) you help insure that each and every wal mart alone tunes the tax payer up for bit time subsidies.

Of course, I'm a liar because I do not hate Walmart.

No, Wal Mart isn't the only ones....they are one of the biggest abusers but they aren't alone by a long shot.

You're a liar b/c you call yourself a libertarian...capitalist...yet you support blatantly corrupt corporations directly fucking the tax payer for profit via crony neocon policy. Crony neocon policy you have supported in this very thread.

Is this really how you define "kicking my ass?"

No....the fact that you have offered nothing but insult/pie in the sky theory craft instead of showing me the anarcho or shit...just capitalist super power nations.

Hell you even refuse to acknowledge the reality of the situation.

A) Keep subsidizing corporate americas workforce on public assistance.

or

B) raise min wage and force said corporations to pay their employees above the welfare qualifying income.

You have clearly chose A along with all the neocons like vette.

Are you boycotting food?



Or is it just Walmart?

No...I'm a fucking farmer, yea I grow food too.

Nope, just companies who game the welfare/political system to fuck the tax payer...a practice you support.

Libertarian/capitalist...hahahahahahaha

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"I do not want to micromanage their business."

So true. And companies should be able to dump their toxic waste wherever they'd like. And really, why do we even make them file taxes? We're just detracting from innovation by breathing over their shoulders like this. Hover parenting!

No one's singling out Walmart. Fast food workers are protesting across the industry. People shit on Target for their labor practices and union-busting all the time. You're deflecting.

I expected better.

They should be sued and the management involved put into jail.

Even with myriads of regulation, rules and laws, accidents will still happen and criminals will still do criminal things.

They should absolutely go on fucking strike and watch as the undocumented rush across open borders to take those jobs at the wages they would not work at.

Or better yet that they should successfully strike. Then they will have great paying jobs in the short run. In the long run, an industry does not run well that has costs too great to produce a good or service for consumers will seek substitute goods and services.