I have the right to die on my own terms. Euthanasia

[Debbie]

Euthanasia. It is a heated, emotive complex issue to discuss.


MPs to vote on euthanasia after bill places the issue back in front of New Zealand Parliament.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-places-the-issue-back-in-front-of-parliament

"Seymour's bill would allow anyone over the age of 18, "of a sound mind" decided on by two qualified medical practitioners, who was suffering in the late stages of a terminal or debilitating illness, to choose the time and method of their death. Further safe guards would also apply to make sure a person was not being coerced into making a decision that was not their own."


Civilized society reacts to an animal suffering with cancer, severe arthritis, inoperable brain tumors etc by euthanizing the sickly creature. It is the kind thing to do. End their pain and may they rest in peace.

Yet for the most part in many countries euthanasia for humans is illegal.

This is my body. My life. If I want to die on my own terms because I am terminally ill, in agonizing pain or have a diagnosis of alzheimer's dementia - then is it not my choice? My right to freely choose to depart from my fleshy husk, donate my body to science and haunt you all?

 

[magicalmoments]

Well said Debbie.

Great timing for the debate as well, just a few months out from an election. Make sure you know your local candidates position on this issue before voting.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have always believed this should be the way of it.

 

[toeskr]

Euthanasia. It is a heated, emotive complex issue to discuss.


MPs to vote on euthanasia after bill places the issue back in front of New Zealand Parliament.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-places-the-issue-back-in-front-of-parliament

"Seymour's bill would allow anyone over the age of 18, "of a sound mind" decided on by two qualified medical practitioners, who was suffering in the late stages of a terminal or debilitating illness, to choose the time and method of their death. Further safe guards would also apply to make sure a person was not being coerced into making a decision that was not their own."


Civilized society reacts to an animal suffering with cancer, severe arthritis, inoperable brain tumors etc by euthanizing the sickly creature. It is the kind thing to do. End their pain and may they rest in peace.

Yet for the most part in many countries euthanasia for humans is illegal.

This is my body. My life. If I want to die on my own terms because I am terminally ill, in agonizing pain or have a diagnosis of alzheimer's dementia - then is it not my choice? My right to freely choose to depart from my fleshy husk, donate my body to science and haunt you all?

Thank you Deb.

Valid for many. Hopefully not me soon but who really knows when?

You are the GB sweetheart!

 

[warrior queen]

I have a plan :wink:
In a special box, kept in a safe place, are enough of my medications to allow me a peacefull passing. Yes, I know they go out of date, and yes, I replace them each year with more.
I suppose I am lucky in that one of the regular medications I am on can be used for this, and as I will be on this for the rest of my life I have the opportunity to squirrel away enough without raising undue alarm.

My only fear is that I may have an injury/illness that robs me of this choice.

 

[Ishmael]

Euthanasia. It is a heated, emotive complex issue to discuss.


MPs to vote on euthanasia after bill places the issue back in front of New Zealand Parliament.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-places-the-issue-back-in-front-of-parliament

"Seymour's bill would allow anyone over the age of 18, "of a sound mind" decided on by two qualified medical practitioners, who was suffering in the late stages of a terminal or debilitating illness, to choose the time and method of their death. Further safe guards would also apply to make sure a person was not being coerced into making a decision that was not their own."


Civilized society reacts to an animal suffering with cancer, severe arthritis, inoperable brain tumors etc by euthanizing the sickly creature. It is the kind thing to do. End their pain and may they rest in peace.

Yet for the most part in many countries euthanasia for humans is illegal.

This is my body. My life. If I want to die on my own terms because I am terminally ill, in agonizing pain or have a diagnosis of alzheimer's dementia - then is it not my choice? My right to freely choose to depart from my fleshy husk, donate my body to science and haunt you all?

Debbie, I have no argument with your premise. My question is do you have the 'right' to recruit someone to be complicit in your decision?

Ishmael

 

[Not Normal]

I truly think euthanasia should be legal, and I kind of hope it is before I get too much older.

 

[toeskr]

I truly think euthanasia should be legal, and I kind of hope it is before I get too much older.

I second this motion.

But how do you put your loved ones into a position to do this or how can you find someone that won't get queezy and will follow your wishes.

 

[Debbie]

Debbie, I have no argument with your premise. My question is do you have the 'right' to recruit someone to be complicit in your decision?

Ishmael

I won't recruit anyone, Ish.


If I can I will do it for myself. I do have a volunteer.

The fear of that person aiding me and being prosecuted for it is very real.

I also have a medical professional who I have been with for many years who knows my wishes. I will not be asking for the medical professional to help if it is still against the law.

 

[warrior queen]

I won't recruit anyone, Ish.


If I can I will do it for myself. I do have a volunteer.

The fear of that person aiding me and being prosecuted for it is very real.

I also have a medical professional who I have been with for many years who knows my wishes. I will not be asking for the medical professional to help if it is still against the law.

My plan is to be able to do this for myself, but if I am unable (paralised, etc) then I have an Advanced Care Directive that clearly states my wishes.
My directive is held in 4 places, by four people who are not family and who are named in my document as nominated signiatories.
I *think* I have all bases covered....

 

[Porkwarrior]

Uncivilized societies still charge exorbitant rates for .45ACP...

White people problems, sure we paid for everything, but we can't exactly start a riot in this political climate can we?

 

[Ishmael]

I won't recruit anyone, Ish.


If I can I will do it for myself. I do have a volunteer.

The fear of that person aiding me and being prosecuted for it is very real.

I also have a medical professional who I have been with for many years who knows my wishes. I will not be asking for the medical professional to help if it is still against the law.

As it should be girl. Even if there's some signed document there's always some one who will profit from your death, not necessarily financially. And those individuals will come under scrutiny law or not.

To be more specific, I can take my own life anytime I want. I have no need of a law to do so, what the hell they going to do, sentence me to death? My death is between me and whatever God I believe in, don't need no steenking government.

Ishmael

 

[SeeNoHearNoSpeakNo]

But whot Huz da euth in asia eva done to you?!

The only thing i can see with euthanasia as a practice is the potential
For its abuse from twisted inheritance seekers. Other than that, i'm pro choice.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I have a plan :wink:
In a special box, kept in a safe place, are enough of my medications to allow me a peacefull passing. Yes, I know they go out of date, and yes, I replace them each year with more.
I suppose I am lucky in that one of the regular medications I am on can be used for this, and as I will be on this for the rest of my life I have the opportunity to squirrel away enough without raising undue alarm.

My only fear is that I may have an injury/illness that robs me of this choice.

The human body is pretty good at making you puke up things that are poisoning you. Might want put a bottle of whiskey in with the DYI kit.

Strict laws govern access to legal assisted suicide in Canada. Medical assistance in dying is not available to minors, nor can it be used to relieve the suffering of a mental illness, long-term disability, or any curable condition. To prevent suicide tourism, it is available only to residents eligible for Canadian healthcare coverage. Advanced directives are not allowed in Canada for voluntary euthanasia and patients can not arrange to consent "in advance" to dying later at the hands of a caregiver (e.g. such as in cases of dementia or Alzheimer's disease where patients may want to die after they reach an advanced state of mental decline).

Canada's assisted dying law includes rigid legal safeguards to prevent abuse and to ensure informed consent. Neither the legal witnesses, nor the physicians involved, can have any legal or financial interest in the outcomes of the patient. Consent must be repeatedly expressed, not implied, including in the moment right before death. Consent can be revoked at any time, in any manner. There are no consequences for backing out and there are no limits to how often it can be requested.

To receive a medically assisted death, patients experiencing intolerable suffering must sign a written request expressing their wish to end their life in front of two independent witnesses who can both confirm it was done willingly free of coercion, 10 clear days before the date of death. Next, two physicians and/or nurse practitioners must independently confirm their written agreement that that the patient has an incurable grievous and irremediable medical condition that is in an advanced state of irreversible decline, that the patient's natural death is reasonably foreseeable, and that the patient is capable and willing of receiving a medically assisted death. If they are eligible, patients must be informed about their palliative care options to relieve end-of-life suffering before they can die.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If you are in great pain and considering suicide, can it truly be that you are in a state of sound mind?


Besides, you don't need a doctor or a law, just relax and go to it, when you want to do it...


(An orgasm has been known as the "little suicide." I read that somewhere, so it might not be true.)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Uncivilized societies still charge exorbitant rates for .45ACP...

White people problems, sure we paid for everything, but we can't exactly start a riot in this political climate can we?

And they put nets under the Golden Gate to stop jumpers...


The irony being how 'civilized' the Golden State believes itself to be.

 

[Ishmael]

And they put nets under the Golden Gate to stop jumpers...


The irony being how 'civilized' the Golden State believes itself to be.

The 'civilized' thing to do is to make the prospective jumpers prove that they paid "their fair share" first. Then fuck'em.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

lol...

 

[Lancecastor]

I wish Deb were allowed to kill herself.

 

[hashtag34]

This thread is so depressing…

 

[Lancecastor]

Yes, it is, for Debbie still clings to life.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Debbie, I have no argument with your premise. My question is do you have the 'right' to recruit someone to be complicit in your decision?

Ishmael

I thought you and your RWCJ buddies were in favor of Death Panels?

A woman's health is between herself, her doctor and her Republican congressman.

And "complicity"? I thought you were in favor of the "free market"? If there is a need in the market for assisted suicide, shouldn't qualified people be able to meet that need and be compensated accordingly?

 

[Libsam]

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[Rightguide]

I thought you and your RWCJ buddies were in favor of Death Panels?

A woman's health is between herself, her doctor and her Republican congressman.

And "complicity"? I thought you were in favor of the "free market"? If there is a need in the market for assisted suicide, shouldn't qualified people be able to meet that need and be compensated accordingly?

Here I was thinking you might have a smidgeon of common sense.

 

[colddiesel]

My plan is to be able to do this for myself, but if I am unable (paralised, etc) then I have an Advanced Care Directive that clearly states my wishes.
My directive is held in 4 places, by four people who are not family and who are named in my document as nominated signiatories.
I *think* I have all bases covered....

Not sure that would necessarily work WQ. In several Australian states the verbal opinion of one dissenting close relative can frustrate your plans.