I hate lawyers

[freescorfr]

OK I've not had too much experience and I do like John Grisham's earlier books.

However, they create a world unrelated to the real world of human relationships in which disputes occur. Fine and we go along with this convention to avoid making our relationships ( and I'm not just talking about divorce law) better - to objectify them. That's what lawyers do - that's why they keep their wigs and their language and their protectionism.

Moreover, many, if not most and all whom I have met, really believe in what they are doing and think it is for the overall benefit of humanity. Misplaced arrogance, really.

And hell do they take their time.

Worst of all they make out that the ordinary layman doesn't really understand the law. Yes, that's what pisses me off most. They all presume the man in the street, ie me, is handicapped, legally disabled, dependent on them. I'm sure there's some specialist work around that's necessary but in an educated society I imagine that many layfolk could do 80% of the lawyers work.

I love lavendar's posts, however. Change they system, dearest,when you qualify.

 

[sexy-girl]

i would run and hide you're in trouble ... if you are lucky you will just get sued




P.S i hate lawyers too she leaves her dirty clothes all over the bedroom floor and plus she didnt put her breakfast mug in the washing up sheesh ... oops i meant i hate lisa im sure not all lawyers are untidy as her

the moral of the story ? ... lawyers are people and come in various shades some are good some are bad (and some are untidy )

 

[freescorfr]

i would run and hide you're in trouble ... if you are lucky you will just get sued

Do you think so sexy? They'd all be too scared the truth would come out.

 

[Fly_On_Wall]

i'm with you.

I dont' like liars, then again I don't like most authority figures, I have a problem with them, but at least it's cause of a disorder.

Layers ick.

 

[freescorfr]

Too true Fly - but how do you knowingly do your job of defending the blatantly guilty without slipping in an odd little untruth?

 

[sexy-girl]

everyone deserves a fair hearing and is innocent until proven guilty ... i believe that as a moral law not just a judicial law


a lawyer believes in those principles they believe in justice and morals and that is what enables them to defend even those they know to be guilty ... because even the guilty deserve a defense


i think lawyers do a wonderful honorable service too society and perform a roll that perhaps only the highly moral people could do


and as i stated before there is many different types of lawyers ... there are some unscrupulous builders but does that mean that we should get rid of all builders ?

 

[Mellon Collie]

I seriously thought about becoming a lawyer for a really long time, I think the first time the idea came into my head was in like fourth grade and I changed my mind and decided to go into history my senior year of high school. One of the things that really turned me off was the heavy competition between lawyers even law students, I'm not a competitor at all. But I think for the most part lawyers aren't the evil people the general public makes them out to be. I mean there are of course lawyers who lie and cheat but of course you will find liars and cheaters in every other single profession there is and the fact the people expect it from lawyers makes it not that bad. I mean when looking for a lawyer you check and ask around so that you are not cheated.

When my grandmother died and we were looking into cremation services, we were told by funeral home that the price they were telling us (like $1,400) was the absolute lowest we could find and of course we believed them, I mean that's not the type of thing you shop around for right after a loved one has died. A few months later a friend's family member died and got cremation services for like $600. Don't you think a liar in that profession is worse? I certainly do.

 

[Fly_On_Wall]

sexy-girl of course there are good and bad I know this.

I'm not saying I hate the people. I have some freinds who are laywers or military people. I like them I just have a problem with the title.

I get mad and furious when I think of cops, military, government officials, judges, lawyers. they are nice people I just have some stupid part of my brain that makes me not like them.

and freescorfr, when I said Liar.... that's what I call lawyers

 

[freescorfr]

Ok Ok MelonCollie and Sexy you make a case for the honest lawyer or two that exists.
I'm not defending dishonesty in any profession.
Anyway, I thought I was straightforward enough in saying that what really pisses me off is the lack of access to the courts for your ordinary bloke or chick in the street.
Maybe it's different in the USA but when I sued a giant insurance company here in France (GAN), I was told fairly and squarely I couldn't do it withour a lawyer, kept on going until in court and then the judge said, "Get a lawyer, son".

I got one and she's been to court and knows nothing about my case. I await the outcome but I believe the quality of the work was poor. If I couldn't have done it better myself I wouldn'y complain, but I wasn't even given a fair chance to mess it up myself because of the closed shop.

That's a problem in many other professions too.

 

[Siren]

oh for fucks sake stop whining

 

[Fly_On_Wall]

Siren I agreed with that already

I said I don't hate the person and that some lawyers are actualy nice (you included , Yes I think your nice )

it's the title I don't like, I don't like how the law works, it's stupid.

as a person they are just fine to me.

 

[sexy-girl]

Re: oh for fucks sake stop whining

see i told you that you guys would be in trouble


and i happen to agree with siren (siren i hope you didnt just read the negetive posts and read my posts too)


i do think lawyers do a wonderful service ... and like siren said lawyers dont make laws ... but they protect us from laws and provide that we are treated fairly and get "justice"



and fly i know you are making fun but you shouldnt call lawyers liars ... my lisa is a lawyer in training and shes the most honest person i know ... and her father who is a lawyer is one of the most kind men i've ever met and treats me like a daughter

 

[Fly_On_Wall]

yah sexygirl I should do that but actualy it's not makeig fun of them it's makeing fun of myself. My spelling is so fucked up I use to spel Lawyer Loiare and everyone thoguht I was trying to spell Liar, and corected my spelling by replaceing the word with that..... I i thoguht for 3 years Liar was actualy how you spelt it. Till one of my teachers helped me and taught me a mnemonic device to help spell it

Siren I ment no offence by it, and I'm sorry I should stop doing things like that.

 

[riff]

I can't really say because most "lawyers" that I know are friends of mine. Or students.

About 10 years ago when I was still in school, I worked at a yacht club that had many law firms with memberships and lawyers alike. There were far less that I did not like than those that I liked. In a word, I hated very few.

But, when I encounter a lawyer that rapes the spirit of the law, I hate 'em. They could be the most companionable of people, but they are people from which I prefer to keep my distance.

Lawyers do get a bad rap:

This priest and this lawyer are on the deck of a ship that is sinking fast into the dark night ocean. Standing near them in the cold rain are two shivering children; a girl with red hair that is braided into pony tails with red ribbons. She has a tabletop-checkered red and white dress with little red socks and white shoes to match. Her little brother is relecting image of his sister in little brotherhood.

There are only 2 seats left in the last lifeboat and the lawyer says, "Screw the kids! Let's get their seats!"

And the priest, dressed in black, admonishes the lawyer, "We don't have the time."

 

[Mischka]

I hate Frenchmen.

OK I've not had too much experience and I do like Voltaire's earlier books.

However, they create a world unrelated to the real world of human relationships in which normal interactions occur. Fine and we go along with this convention to avoid making our relationships (and I'm not just talking about menage a tois) better - to objectify them. That's what Frenchmen do - that's why they keep their fashions and their language and their socialism.

Moreover, many, if not most and all whom I have met, really believe they are better than the rest of us and think the world is for the overall benefit of themselves. Misplaced arrogance, really.

And hell do they smell.

Worst of all they make out that the ordinary layman doesn't really understand epicurean delights. Yes, that's what pisses me off most. They all presume the man in the street, ie me, is uncouth, artistically disabled, dependent on them for fashion and culinary sense. I'm sure there's some specialist work around that's necessary but in an educated society I imagine that 80% of the world could do without Frenchmen.

I love freescorfr's posts, however. Change the country, dearest, when you qualify.

 

[JennyOmanHill]

After working 30 years in a big, corporate law firm, let me just say that I am NOT a fan of the profession and/or most of these "profesional" men/women I worked directly for (several hundred in that span of time).

The pressure and demands in a large firm are exceptionally high risk (putting "the firm" before family in many cases), but as a "non legal" employee, I discovered it to be very hard to meet up with their demands and deadlines and "impersonalness".

Monetary rewards might be a great incentive to the corporate attorney, but it's a thankless job for the "underlings" (noting the caste system that still exists in the bigger firms). I stayed much too long, and am now "paying" for it!

 

[Siren]

Fly I understand your frustrations as well as those of many posted here but.....

 

[Texan]

Brava Mischka!!!

Very well done. I kept waiting for your metaphore to break down, but you held it together perfectly.... !!!

When I read freescorfr's post earlier, I started to jump in and admonish him for his shallow view, but then I realized that there are several "legal types" here who could do that quite well without my help...

Between Siren's justified indignation, sexygirl's emotional appeal, and your drippingly sarcastic response, as suspected, I'm completely unneeded here...

 

[seXieleXie]

my father is a lawyer, so are many of his friends. i have grown up around lawyers and judges. some of the most intelligent, compassionate, hardworking and downright good people i know are attorneys.
they laugh at lawyer jokes. they do their job, even when it sucks. and at the end of the day they are as good or bad as you or i.

can you separate lawyers from liars? hell yes. can you separate lawyers from rich snobs? without a doubt. can you separate lawyers from those who are greedy? yes.

these things are not mutually exclusive. it's best not to forget that.

[edited: i fucking hate dyslexia]

 

[Siren]

Jenny, yours is a different problem altogether

 

[Siren]

Texan you are always need here

 

[Cherry]

as suspected, I'm completely unneeded here...

That's right ...

now go directly to the "How Do You Eat Pussy" thread

where the ladies are waiting to be entertained!

 

[Fly_On_Wall]

please read again I didn't call Lawyers Liars cause I think all they do is lie.

I did it for an unrelated reason. One that I thought was funny cause my teachers were stupid.

 

[seXieleXie]

Re: Texan you are always need here

and Sexi-xie...........

you have alot of experience with laywers
must be some sexual thing.

How many lawyers do ya know?

If you lay with the law
do you become a laywer?

yes. i'm stupid. thank you siren.

 

[KillerMuffin]

I think they need to make the Bar harder to pass. The career field is glutted, in my completely uninformed opinion, with people who hang out in the lower echelons of lawyerdom. These people give lawyers a bad name. Ambulance chasers, lawyers who actively solicit cases, any lawyer whose advertises on late night TV.

However, none of that matters. Lawyers services society. It's not the lawyers who sue, it's their clients. It's not the lawyers who turn every situation into a possible litigious advantage, it's their clients.

Sure, there are unethical lawyers out there and turning the societal mindset into one of "I'll sue!" has been good for business, however it doesn't mitigate that the basic fault for society's race to court belongs squarely in the hands of the society that nourishes them. If we didn't sue, they wouldn't have a job, would they?

It's rather like blaming overpopulation on obstetricians.

I think it also reflects the selfish ridiculousness on today's society when you blame the vultures for the carcass. Not that all lawyers are vultures, but some are and the field has become highly competitive for clients.

Personally, I'd prefer to have a lawyer even if the jurisprudence system was written completely in plain english. Why? When the toilet runs I can replace the the thingbobber inside the tank, I can replace the wax ring underneath the stool. I can scrub it clean and call it a good days work. However, I can't fix any of the other plumbing that goes with it. I wouldn't know if the toilet is running because the sewer line is all fucked up or not. I'd call a plumber and get my pockets cleaned out.

The fact is that we are in a society of laws and they make new ones and repeal old ones every single day. The people who go to school to learn these laws have a better chance of making sure that I have the best possible case. It's my life, I wouldn't take the chance.

FOW, the reason you hate those people is because you resent anyone that might have authority over you, yes? For your peace of mind, I'm ex-military, but I still adore you anyway. Even if I do give you the creeping heebie-jeebies.