I found this after an e-mail.

[Zeb_Carter]

All righty...here's some good talking points for those of you who think Obama should be re-elected.

• How about a job? About 15 million Americans of working age have no job and are looking for work.
  
• Every fifth man in America is out of a job.
  
• Fewer Jobs. There are 5.5 million fewer jobs right now than there were when Obama was inaugurated.
  
• Employment Levels. Employment has been below the pre-recession peak for over 50 consecutive months.
  
• U3 Unemployment Stats. This is the 8.2% figure quoted by Obama for last month. This counts only people who have applied for a job in the previous four weeks.
  
• U6 Unemployment Stats. This figure counts the number of people who have applied for jobs in the previous 6 weeks. It also includes people who are working in part-time jobs who want to work full time. The U6 unemployment rate is now around 15%
  
• College Graduates In 2007 90% of all college graduates found a job. Today that figure is 56%.
  
• Nearly 87 million Americans are NOT in the labor force.
  
• Dropping Out. Since Obama was sworn in about 3 million people have dropped out of the jobs market. These people are no longer even bothering to look for a job. If they were still in the market – still hopeful – the unemployment rate would be about 10.8%.
  
• Economic Growth after Great Depression. In 1934, 35 and 36 our economy growed at 11%, 9% and 13%. Economic growth in 2010 was 3%. In 2011 it was 1.7%. This year we’re running between 2 and 3%.
  
• Ethnic Jobless Rates. For young workers 20 to 24 the unemployment rate is 13%. For Hispanic teenagers it’s 30.5%. For black teenagers it’s 37.9%.
  
• Private Sector Hiring. Through June of 2011 private sector hiring was 10 times slower after the passage of ObamaCare than it was in the 16 months prior to ObamaCare.
  
• New Businesses. We need 1 million new businesses every year to sustain growth. We’re running about 400,000 right now.
  
• Layoffs and Hiring. In the first months of 2012 layoffs have risen 18% from a year ago. Hiring plans have dropped 82%.
  
• Per Capita Income. In May of 2008 per capital income in the U.S. was at $37,752. It’s now at $37,606. Adjust this for inflation and you have $36,641 in 2008 dropping to $32,600 now. This is the first time since the 1930s that inflation-adjusted incomes have decreased in America.
  
• Welfare Over $1 trillion spent on government entitlement programs in the last two years.
  
• Welfare Increase A 5,500% jump in means tested welfare since 1970.
  Welfare percentage Over ½ of households in America have someone receiving entitlement checks.
  
• Food Stamps Under Obama food stamp use has increased by 41%.
  
• Every 7th person you pass on the sidewalk is on food stamps.
  
• EBT Cards: The increase in the use of EBT cards is 135%.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Out of curiosity Zeb... If you hate obama so much, which of the monkey brigade over in the GOP are you going to vote for?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Out of curiosity Zeb... If you hate obama so much, which of the monkey brigade over in the GOP are you going to vote for?

Does it matter? Anyone but Obama. Which should be the mantra of any freedom loving American.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Does it matter? Anyone but Obama. Which should be the mantra of any freedom loving American.

Ah. You're making the common mistake of confusing 'freedom' with 'grossly capitalistic' Common mistake here.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Ah. You're making the common mistake of confusing 'freedom' with 'grossly capitalistic' Common mistake here.

"Freedom" and "Fascist" both start with the same letter. Moron tea baggers are easily confused.

 

[lovecraft68]

Does it matter? Anyone but Obama. Which should be the mantra of any freedom loving American.

And you equate republicans with freedom?

I personally would like to see my daughter still have the freedom to be on birth control.

I would also still like the freedom to surf porn and listen to and read what ever i want.

Under the guise of "family values" and bringing "morality" back to this country the republicans will seek to censor and control whatever they want.

Fuck Romney he's no better than Santorum except Romney worships money over God. He has no clue about the middle to lower classes and will do nothing but make the rich richer.

hate O'bama all you want, he's given us reason to, but don't paint those assholes as any better.

 

[Safe_Bet]

And you equate republicans with freedom?

I personally would like to see my daughter still have the freedom to be on birth control.

I would also still like the freedom to surf porn and listen to and read what ever i want.

Under the guise of "family values" and bringing "morality" back to this country the republicans will seek to censor and control whatever they want.

Fuck Romney he's no better than Santorum except Romney worships money over God. He has no clue about the middle to lower classes and will do nothing but make the rich richer.

hate O'bama all you want, he's given us reason to, but don't paint those assholes as any better.

Elizabeth Warren / Bernie Sanders in 2012!!! Whoot Whoot!!!!

 

[lovecraft68]

Elizabeth Warren / Bernie Sanders in 2012!!! Whoot Whoot!!!!

I would vote for Bernie.

 

[Safe_Bet]

I would vote for Bernie.

But not Liz Warren???!

The chick has more economic strategy in her little finger than every one else running combined (inc. Obama, who I frankly think bailed on her ass cuz he's afraid of her), has a working class based understanding of fairness and justice and has world wide respect for her intellect and leadership abilities.

I really, really, REALLY like Bernie, but I adore Elizabeth Warren.

(I want Al Franken for SecState, too. = "Stuart Smalley tells the UN Security Council to chill the fuck out!")

 

[lovecraft68]

But not Liz Warren???!

The chick has more economic strategy in her little finger than every one else running combined (inc. Obama, who I frankly think bailed on her ass cuz he's afraid of her), has a working class based understanding of fairness and justice and has world wide respect for her intellect and leadership abilities.

I really, really, REALLY like Bernie, but I adore Elizabeth Warren.

(I want Al Franken for SecState, too. = "Stuart Smalley tells the UN Security Council to chill the fuck out!")

Unlike many here I can admit that I don't know something. I don't know much about Elizabeth Warren, if she is along the lines of Bernie I would be fine with her as well.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Unlike many here I can admit that I don't know something. I don't know much about Elizabeth Warren, if she is along the lines of Bernie I would be fine with her as well.

You should do some reading on her cuz she's one impressive woman who would be a stellar President. Her biggest "failings" are that she doesn't play political bullshit games well, her intellegence intimidates the fuck out of her colleagues and she refuses to kow tow to the "Old Boys Network". (which are all things that makes me like her more!)

 

[lovecraft68]

You should do some reading on her cuz she's one impressive woman who would be a stellar President. Her biggest "failings" are that she doesn't play political bullshit games well, her intellegence intimidates the fuck out of her colleagues and she refuses to kow tow to the "Old Boys Network". (which are all things that makes me like her more!)

Unfortunately none of those things are presidential material in this day and age. What's wanted in the oval office is a sock puppet for the lobbyists and special interest groups and only those who will keep the wealthy wealthy.

My father has been saying for years this country is primed for a revolution. That people may have to forcibly take their lives back from the government.

I always laughed at him and told him to go ahead and have another martini. Sadly I'm starting to think that he could be onto something.

 

[PayDay]

This thread just gets better and better.

 

[HeatherVivant]

Whoa there, 87 million folks are not in the labor force? Shocking!

Wait a minute. <googles some stats> Given that the US has 76 million children ages 0-17 and more than 33 million people over 65 (as of 1994, and probably closer to 40 million now), I fail to see where that shocking statistic has any meaning whatsoever.

I'm of a mind that the nakie-nakie pictures in this thread have added more value than the statistics being bandied about.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

And you equate republicans with freedom?

I personally would like to see my daughter still have the freedom to be on birth control.

I would also still like the freedom to surf porn and listen to and read what ever i want.

Under the guise of "family values" and bringing "morality" back to this country the republicans will seek to censor and control whatever they want.

Fuck Romney he's no better than Santorum except Romney worships money over God. He has no clue about the middle to lower classes and will do nothing but make the rich richer.

hate O'bama all you want, he's given us reason to, but don't paint those assholes as any better.

Paint who? Who did I paint? No one. It's just anyone, even Joe the plumber, would be better right now than Obama for this country. As for Romney...he's a socialist in conservative clothing. Santorum's conservative outlook on government would be better by far than Obama's.

As for your daughter's freedom to have birth control available, that should be a decision between her, her parents and a medical professional, not the government.

As for family values...neither the Dems or the GOP practices what they preach .

Morality should never be legislated.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Whoa there, 87 million folks are not in the labor force? Shocking!

Wait a minute. <googles some stats> Given that the US has 76 million children ages 0-17 and more than 33 million people over 65 (as of 1994, and probably closer to 40 million now), I fail to see where that shocking statistic has any meaning whatsoever.

I'm of a mind that the nakie-nakie pictures in this thread have added more value than the statistics being bandied about.

Okay, in your stats, what slot would I fall into? Under 65, over 17, no longer looking for a job, unemployment benefits exhausted? There are 87 million just like me.

The only way the gov knows I'm unemployed is if I'm drawing benefits. The minute my benefits ran out I was no long data in their system.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I only had to read into paragraph three to see that it was a crock of shit.

I'm pretty sure, for example, that most Americans still don't realize that the Bushes aren't Texans--that they are old money from Connecticut.

Appropos of nothing, W is more of a Texan than The Big O is an Illinoisan. He was born in CT, though, and Obama was born in HI.

 

[sr71plt]

Appropos of nothing, W is more of a Texan than The Big O is an Illinoisan. He was born in CT, though, and Obama was born in HI.

I wasn't implying Obama wasn't invented. I was saying that this was the norm for presidents. The article, in yet another tiresome approach to cover that they can't stand to have a black in the presidency, was trying to claim that Obama was different from any other president in this regard. He's not.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I wasn't implying Obama wasn't invented. I was saying that this was the norm for presidents. The article, in yet another tiresome approach to cover that they can't stand to have a black in the presidency, was trying to claim that Obama was different from any other president in this regard. He's not.

First, is there anything in the article or screed that was not true, or a reasonable opinion, given what is known to be true? There is no reference at all to the race of The Big O. If you were not already aware of it, how would you know it from reading? I hope you realize, it is entirely possible to dislike or distrust a person without having those negative opinions caused by race.

I may be mistaken about this, but I believe Obama is the first president, except for some of the earliest ones, who spent a large part of his childhood outside the jurisdiction of the US.

 

[sr71plt]

First, is there anything in the article or screed that was not true, or a reasonable opinion, given what is known to be true? There is no reference at all to the race of The Big O. If you were not already aware of it, how would you know it from reading? I hope you realize, it is entirely possible to dislike or distrust a person without having those negative opinions caused by race.

I may be mistaken about this, but I believe Obama is the first president, except for some of the earliest ones, who spent a large part of his childhood outside the jurisdiction of the US.

Go fish. I'm not interested in your (or anyone else's) attempts to find reasons to jab someone just because it isn't politically correct for you to exhibit your racism.

George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc., etc., spent most of their lives outside of the United States.

Since I've spent much of my life outside of the United States and made it a point to give my children extensive experience outside of the United States during their childhoods, I don't see an acquired perspective of the world that actually involves the world as being a bad thing for qualifying to be president of the United States.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
First, is there anything in the article or screed that was not true, or a reasonable opinion, given what is known to be true? There is no reference at all to the race of The Big O. If you were not already aware of it, how would you know it from reading? I hope you realize, it is entirely possible to dislike or distrust a person without having those negative opinions caused by race.

I may be mistaken about this, but I believe Obama is the first president, except for some of the earliest ones, who spent a large part of his childhood outside the jurisdiction of the US.

Go fish. I'm not interested in your (or anyone else's) attempts to find reasons to jab someone just because it isn't politically correct for you to exhibit your racism.

What racism is that? I actually voted FOR Obama in the CA primary in 2008, because of my distrust of Hillary Clinton.

George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc., etc., spent most of their lives outside of the United States.

I know that, which is why I qualified my comment the way I did.

Since I've spent much of my life outside of the United States and made it a point to give my children extensive experience outside of the United States during their childhoods, I don't see an acquired perspective of the world that actually involves the world as being a bad thing for qualifying to be president of the United States.

As the OP said, Obama spent much of his formative years outside the US, as a young child up to his teen years, in Indonesia. The circumstances would hardly give him much of a perspective. Personally, I believe being cultutally an American should be considered to be a qualification for the office of POTUS, although not necessarily a required one.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Go fish. I'm not interested in your (or anyone else's) attempts to find reasons to jab someone just because it isn't politically correct for you to exhibit your racism.

George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc., etc., spent most of their lives outside of the United States.

Since I've spent much of my life outside of the United States and made it a point to give my children extensive experience outside of the United States during their childhoods, I don't see an acquired perspective of the world that actually involves the world as being a bad thing for qualifying to be president of the United States.

Nobody gives a shit where you think you spent your life.

 

[sr71plt]

Give your peabrain a stretch, Zeb. I was responding to the inference of Box's challenge post.

 

[sr71plt]

As the OP said, Obama spent much of his formative years outside the US, as a young child up to his teen years, in Indonesia. The circumstances would hardly give him much of a perspective. Personally, I believe being cultutally an American should be considered to be a qualification for the office of POTUS, although not necessarily a required one.

Sure it would. Much broader perspective than never having been outside of Kansas.

What does having spent some years outside of the United States prevent anyone from being culturally an Amercian? That's just downright stupid, Box.

Having done so, I think I'm much more appreciative of American culture than someone never having lived abroad--and therefore having no perspective of comparison.

And, yes, this is all just covering not wanting to face a racist attitude. If you think that Obama isn't culturally American just because he spent some time in Indonesia, you're full of shit.

And I'm not defending Obama in this because I'm an Obama fan, particularly (if you'll check back over the years, you'll see that I posted that he was too green for the job--being brown not being any part of my assessment). I'm defending him from the stupid inferences of this article because the inferences are stupid.

 

[lovecraft68]

Paint who? Who did I paint? No one. It's just anyone, even Joe the plumber, would be better right now than Obama for this country. As for Romney...he's a socialist in conservative clothing. Santorum's conservative outlook on government would be better by far than Obama's.

As for your daughter's freedom to have birth control available, that should be a decision between her, her parents and a medical professional, not the government.

As for family values...neither the Dems or the GOP practices what they preach .

Morality should never be legislated.

Romney would be more than happy to cut any funding towards birth control. That would not affect my daughters because one has her own insurance and one is still under mine.

It would effect many other women. Romney would cut planned parenthood and I wouldn't put it pass the asshat to challenge Roe vs wade at some point

But see I'm not going to argue politics and beliefs what I am going to leave you with is one simple thought to counteract your anyone but O'bama stance.

O'bama got in because after Two Terms under Bush it was "anyone but the Republicans"

So anyone with that mentality gets what they deserve.