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Kuntmode

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Figure out how so many on this board cannot seem to see what is exactly the case in the war that we have been witnessing.

Prior to the invasion, Iraq had to disarm or face the consequences with or without UN backing according to US officials.

The US was sick of waiting, so along with Britian and Australia they promptly set about on their merry way of invading the country to disarm them by force. The main focus was to prove that Iraq had been in defiance of previous resolutions set down by the UN Security Council to abide by. Disarming their weapons of mass destruction. The US talked tough along with Britian and said they had clear cut evidence that they possessed these weapons and were hiding them. It now appears that a lot of what Iraq stated seems to kind of have some weight behind it. Each time the US or Britian was asked to provide this evidence something went amiss. The evidence they did propose was disproved, and ironically fabricated.

Where the fuck are these weapons?

They have not been used, and each time the US has come out and said they have found something, it has been more on the side of being merely heresay or over exaggerated. The way the whole process at the UN came about, it seemed pretty well an open and cut case in that Iraq had an abundance of these weapons, and in that, they were observed by the US as a threat to their national security. The majority of other nations around the world did not see this as being the case, and the most powerful nation on earth seemed to be the only one really paranoid or worried about Iraq launching such a strike or threat towards them. They may indeed have these weapons, but it seems to be more on the side of just a handful, rather than what it would appear Blair and Bush rallied on about.

Once the US had stated it was going to invade Iraq and the deadline was up, the world was divided and Bush ran off speech after speech about why this invasion must happen. The intial objectives of why they were going in soon faded, and the talk changed dramatically to toppling a regime, much like how the talk changed as to do with Afghanistan, and before we knew it, the US was invading a country to remove a government in power that does not adhere to the financial interests of the US and other western nations. In other words, Iraq is potentially a very rich nation that would serve US interests much better if it were under the control of the US government or at least under their thumb.

Bush continually went about talking about how brutal and evil the Iraqi regime is and that the people of Iraq needed to be free from his dictatorship. They were oppressed and suffering.

Before the invasion took place, they had decided on a new alternative government, contracts had been set up to be controlled by US companies and basically the main objectives were to get in there and shore up all the oilfields to benefit, in Bush's mind the Iraqi people.

So what has happened since they set foot on Iraqi soil?

They have fueled more hatred among the Muslim world, and neighbouring Arab countries will be more inclined to purchase weapons of mass destruction to protect 'their' own national security.

Europe is bitterly divided on what has taken place, and the wounds between the US and it's other allies remain at their worst, maybe to never be healed.

The UN is looked upon as useless in America's eyes, yet once it became apparent that there was going to be a vast humanitarian problem in Iraq, the US, under the influence of Britian has shifted back into the stance of saying the UN has a role to play in Iraq.

But what about the rest of the world?

The situation in Zimbabwe has been overlooked, as Mugabe freely walks around oppressing his people.

Congo is experiencing massacres daily to the ignorance of the world, especially the US.

Other African nations operate on similiar lines.

North Korea continues on it's path of defiance and is building more missles capable of launching weapons of mass destruction on any given day.

Pakistan continues along the same path, much to the anger of India who seem to keep suggesting that they are by far and bigger threat in the region that Iraq ever was.

Armed conflicts flurry everywhere and their are the makings of potential humanitarian crisis in the future, yet these places don't figure on the plans of the White House. Ask yourself why?

But finally, take a look at Iraq. It is in total chaos, and the people that the US wanted to free, are now freely walking around, smashing shop windows and offices, looting and fighting among themselves. Anarchy and chaos has gripped every town that the Coalition forces have gone in and pushed the Baath party and armed forces out of. All they can do is sit back and fire off a few warning shots in the hope that these people stop what they are doing. Within these areas, there are older men sitting down and forming their own political parties. They are under the belief that they will have the right to run for office like in any other democratic society, and that the US and Britian will not stay in their country. That they will be able to sort out a new era for themselves, and control their own oil and wealth.

Bush has tried to portray the Iraqi people as a warm and loving society under a brutal dictatorship. That dictatorship is no different to any other form of government around the world, it is just within countries like Iraq, their laws differ somewhat to the western world, but at the end of the day, the people within any country must abide by the laws.

The stories that are coming out of Iraq are used to paint the picture of presenting the US led invasion as being right.

Maybe the US needs to look at their own ways of dealing with chaos within their nation. Vigilance within any nation is crushed. The world looked on in horror at how the Chinese dealt with the situation in Tianamen Square. The dili massacre in East Timor? How about Rwanda and Somailia? Let's look to South America and various coup attempts crushed by the respective governments within these nations.

But let's not forget the LA riots or the Waco disaster. Much like many other anti-establishment rallys or protests. How about various cult or people that want to form their own little independant states or towns? I have seen quite a lot of footage of police or goverment institutions within the US and Britian brutally clubbing people in the streets or in fact drawing out their guns and shooting unarmed citizens. Of course these are just accidents and always covered up somehow.

Make no mistake, Saddam Hussein is indeed a man that has run a regime of terror and oppressed the people there, but before we point fingers, maybe have a look at the type of people that live under his system. Maybe look into the laws of Iraq and other Arab nations and try to understand things a little better before comparison's can be made as to how they should live. The death penalty still exists within the US, and even if they don't kill criminals, more than likely you get a sentance of 100years for crimes that elsewhere would get you 10 - 20. Cuba is a prime example of how the US seems to deal with people they feel are criminals or terrorists. Their interogation techniques are no different than the methods used by those they are now in the process of removing from power.

Saddam is not innocent and is most definitely in the same league as Ida Amin, Pol Pot, Pinochet and others in their hey day. But name a Middle eastern country in the last 50 years that has not been ruled in the same vein as how he has operated since he came to power. Let's not forget he has been aided in his oppression by those who went to overthrow him.

The US has created an unstable future for Iraq and the whole region. It has stuck it's nose where it is not wanted once again, and I am sure soon enough, the American people will be gripped by some sort of terrorist action.

This time, it maybe wise for the American public to do what they should have done before as in the 9/11 disaster. Hold your fucking government accountable. Riot like the black community did in LA, and show the world that you don't wish to stand behind future governments that are good at getting you to support their ideals or what they feel is right, yet 9 times out 10, when they try to put into practice what they preech, they fail miserably.

Whilst you all work hard over the coming months, and pay your taxes and struggle to raise your families from the restrictions your governments system places upon you, have a look at all the grins on the faces of people like Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld and the whole entrourage of cunts that went off to war, lied consistently to their own people, yet are now toasting one another in the halls of the White House, patting each other on the back, and will soon hide in their little forcefields,protected from future terrorist attacks whilst counting all the money they are set to make in the future from the new Iraqi government that dangles to the tune of Yankee Doodle Dandy.

You lot have to go to Walmart, Disneyland, McDonalds and other outlets praying a car bomb doesn't go off, or the plane you are on isn't hijacked or that underground subway does come under a chemical attack.

Saddam is alive and well.

So is Osama.

Your government would like you to believe they are dead.

Their power base maybe be gone, but they are still alive and like your politicians, they are sitting back living off the millions they make out of other people's suffering.

Good luck citizens of America. And may God bless the cunt that walks up and put's a bullet between the eyes of George W Bush.

:)
 
Kuntmode said:
And may God bless the cunt that walks up and put's a bullet between the eyes of George W Bush.

:)

Secret Service knocking on Kuntmode's door in 10...9...8...7...6...5...
 
Kuntmode, you are correct though.

The Saudi regime has possibly killed at least the same or more of its own citizens through torture, public execution and god knows what else, than Iraq has. This is forgotten.

It seems that the only real difference between Iraq and Saudi, is that Iraq has tried to invade two of its neighbours rather than keeping to itself. This is also forgotten.

Despite these two facts, there is no talk of invading Saudi Arabia. Why? What of Zimbabwe and Mr Mugabe? Why no talk of invading them?

It could be said that Pol Pot's reign in Cambodia, makes Saddam's effort look like a cub scout jamboree, and in 1979 (I think thats the right date), Vietnam conducted military operations to bring about "regime change". This action was condemed by the governments of the world, with China and the USA being the most vocal. This has been forgotten

North Korea have threatened a pre-emptive strike against South Korea. They now have precedent for it (although I seriously doubt they will). "But you did it first!"

I believe this illegal war is going to bring about an interesting and possibly very unstable world. Who will win out of it all?

Yes this is an extreme possibility, but you never know......

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The terrorists responsible for the WTC bombings and the 9/11/01 tragedy have gotten exactly what they wanted: to knock the United States of America off its pedestal. They've shot their wad, and they're done.

So now the rest of the world gets to act as smug and arrogant as they think the USA used to be? Ridiculous.

I don't support Bush's actions. I think he's an assassin, and should be tried for the crime. A court martial would be appropriate, I think. But I won't sanction any assassination attempt on him. Hussein would, but Americans won't.

And NOBODY is making me go to Wal-Mart, Disneyland OR McDonald's (feh).
 
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If you are at a local bar having a few drinks and a brawl breaks out, how does it usually occur?

A racist slur, someone takes offence to something, insulting another man's woman. These scenario's are usually the case. It is always about another man's pride or someone feels they are in the right, and the other person is in the wrong.

9/11 can be used as a prime example. It is like the school yard bully. They go around picking on everyone else for so long, and act arrogant and tough all the time, until some little unknown factor to everyone else pops up and gives them a bloody nose. The person that cops the hiding usually either cowers away into a corner and weeps, or they then go around picking on everyone else who is laughing at them.

Does it rings any bells as to what is going on in the world at the moment?

What American's seem to forget is the world has always been laughing at them. Everytime they have been offended by someone or something, they have this ignorant attitude of thinking they need to someone show the world no one fucks with us. The thing is, no one ever does, because people don't go out of their way to interfere in US national politics or their domestic lifestyles.

American's want to go and peek through everyone elses blinds, and for some reason, when they see something that they don't do or they don't approve of, they then want to go to the front door and kick it in and tell them to stop doing that.

George W Bush is like a spoilt baby. He has been sucking on his dummy ever since 9/11, and when Saddam thumbed his nose at him after 9/11 and did the old na na na na na/na na na na na, the rest is history.

World police? Big brother? Imperialistic warmongering cunts?

Whatever the world wishes to look upon American's as being, there is a simple solution and a universal phrase that most intelligent people abide by.

'If you don't piss in my backyard, I won't piss in yours'
 
ONE COUNTRY AT A TIME HAHAHA

I would have done it right the first time. I did not vote for bush and i do not like him. But saddam needs to go. But you and other anti-war forget that amrica is the first to help in disasters with food and what-ever is needed.

When someone hollars for they want use. So there

:p
 
Re: ONE COUNTRY AT A TIME HAHAHA

zantac666 said:
I would have done it right the first time. I did not vote for bush and i do not like him. But saddam needs to go. But you and other anti-war forget that amrica is the first to help in disasters with food and what-ever is needed.

When someone hollars for they want use. So there

:p

Well is it something to be proud of when it is you that fucking pays for the food to go to these countries? There are people in your own country that can't even afford to put a proper meal on the table, yet your government seems to look after refugees and famine stricken countries before their own.

However, if you did some research, you would see a clear pattern emerging on exactly the aid that is given out by the US. The majority of the time it is given under a UN exercise. An institution the US has raped of funds for decades and beyond.

You would also realise that the aid the US gives out off it's own back is merely loaned to those countries that ask for it. You see, your country likes to give others money, much like a bank does, and then they sit back and wait for it to be repaid, but mind you, at a high interest rate, thereby making them a handsome profit.

Do piss in my ear about the exploits of your country as though they are a fucking elitist bunch of doo-gooders.

Half the world is fucked from America's interference in other countries political frameworks and economies. You lot are a pestilence. Like a plague of locust that fly into areas and eat everything in their wake, until there is nothing left that is worthwhile to your hunger and interests.
 
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Kuntmode said:

You would also realise that the aid the US gives out off it's own back is merely loaned to those countries that ask for it. You see, your country likes to give others money, much like a bank does, and then they sit back and wait for it to be repaid, but mind you, at a high interest rate, thereby making them a handsome profit.



Ya and how many countries refuse to pay back even the princeable?

Germany still owes a war debt
France owes a war debt
Japan owes a war debt
Iraq owes a war debt
Italy owes a war debt
The Soviet Union owes a war debt
Phillipenes owes a war debt
Indoesia owes a war debt
India owes a war debt
The list goes on and on

Some of the countries that do not owe a war debt

Australia
Canada
Mexico
Singapore
England
and a few others



There is more to it than what you have done here Kunt
 
To those that say "It's your country, love it or leave it" I say, "I would but I don't want to be victimised by its foreign policy"...

The US government does nothing for humanitarian purposes. The problem is that those of us within the country are so anesthetized to our own propaganda that we can no longer recognize where it stops and the rest of the world begins.
 
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Dreamguy001 said:
Ya and how many countries refuse to pay back even the princeable?

Germany still owes a war debt <-- Did they borrow money off of the US to go an invade other countries? or did they invade other countries and then after they were defeated, the US loaned money to rebuild the nation on the pretext of gaining money from the amount of interest the loans were for?
France owes a war debt < -- They gave you the statue of liberty dumb cunt and then told you to kiss their ass when you went into Iraq. Fuck the french, they have borrowed money from everyone and pissed in their face. Useless little fucking snottynosed people.
Japan owes a war debt < -- I would seriously consider not wanting a cent from a people you fucking well wiped off the face of the earth with two atomic bombs. Same deal as Germany here. You loaned money and helped rebuild what you destroyed
Iraq owes a war debt < -- You already loaned them the money huh? Don't talk shit okay. Iraq paid for weapons and technology with that fucking black shit below their soil you cunts can't keep youtr dirty mittens off.
Italy owes a war debt < -- Allies with Germany remember? Loans to rebuild. Thing is, have you ever noticed that these countries seem to have let the US use their bases etc for other war efforts since WW2. Germany finally said fuck off. Them cunts have seen enough war in their lives to get involved in anymore.
The Soviet Union owes a war debt < -- No they borrowed money as in aid to prevent them from nuking your country. That is a pay off. A bribe. Not a loan. It prevents them terrorists and fringe nations of the former Soviet Union from giving away a nuke or two.
Phillipenes owes a war debt < -- Why? Did they come running to you lot for it?
Indoesia owes a war debt <-- They were loaned money for their support. Biggest populated Muslim country. The world would shiver if these cunts were let loose on the world. Their support was crucial in the war on terrorism. Much like the Filipino's. Loan or bribe? The money the US gives out is for supporting their interests. Self-interest.
India owes a war debt < -- Same deal. Support against terrorism, in particular, to prevent an arms race in that region and to shore up other interests the US had in the area, as with what they did with Pakistan.
The list goes on and on and when that list finishes, still try to tell me which country comes begging, running to the US for money and aid. Those who do would be in fact small nations that are starving, which I feel every nation under the UN contributes.

Some of the countries that do not owe a war debt

Australia
Canada
Mexico
Singapore
England
and a few others



There is more to it than what you have done here Kunt

There is more to it but I couldn't be fucked outlining just how futile some of you are over there. Read dougy's post below. I felt that is worthy of a fucking oscar or some lame US accolade.

Give the lad the Purple Heart. More guts in saying the truth than fighting bogus wars.
 
Re: ONE COUNTRY AT A TIME HAHAHA

zantac666 said:
I would have done it right the first time. I did not vote for bush and i do not like him. But saddam needs to go. But you and other anti-war forget that amrica is the first to help in disasters with food and what-ever is needed.

When someone hollars for they want use. So there

:p

Umm, check back in when you come back down off of that heroine.
 
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