I agree with Bush on this
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A Desert Rose
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Go right ahead and tag team me again. You think this bothers me?
LOL you are just a little girl. And don't forget the vulgar names, too, young lady. I have been waiting for them to come spewing forth.
LOL you are just a little girl. And don't forget the vulgar names, too, young lady. I have been waiting for them to come spewing forth.
phrodeau
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Hold onto that tolerance, JMJ. Don't let it go.
It's only been in the last century, even the last few decades, that Christianity has gained a reputation as a religion of tolerance. And it's been 2000 years. Hopefully, Islam will catch up soon.
It's only been in the last century, even the last few decades, that Christianity has gained a reputation as a religion of tolerance. And it's been 2000 years. Hopefully, Islam will catch up soon.
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Pyper said:
Pyper, you can certainly blame religion if religion is the stated reason for the conflict. You don't need to buld a complicated historical record when the ones doing the oppressing say that they're doing the oppressing for Reason X or Y. You just look at Reason X or Y.
Right now, Islam is being used as those reasons in an awful lot of places, nearly an inordinate number of places.
Sure, you can look at Central and South America and find Catholicism involved in a lot of it. You also find, in those countries, the Catholic organizations working to quell that violence (such as in the case of the nuns who were slaughtered while running a hospital). I'm not seeing any of that in any of these countries. There is no apparent Muslim organization of any kind working to end the Theocracies which are in place. None of them are trying to make those countries safe places for women to walk freely, or speak in public. None act to save children from orphanhood when their parents are taken away for an infration against Islam.
If it's happening, the word isn't getting to the people to whom the word usually goes (Amnesty International, for instance).
Where I place blame in on the leadership of Islam. Local leaders have spoken out against the large number of their faith who are apparently warping the faith to serve their purposes. But the local level is where it stops. And there's no concerted effort to end the problems internationally. That bothers me a great deal.
And those Fundamentalists have grown bolder by the day. The silence from the rest of the faith have mad ethem certainly bolder. Indonesia, The Phillipines, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, The Sudan, Libya - the list just grows. And the leadership who would have us believe that they cherish peace and tolerance are doing nothing about it. Like I said, that bothers me.
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Do you realize you can be a total fucking cunt to very established and intelligent members of this board?
I'm kinda sick of your arrogant ways to be honest. You come on here spewing shit you probably heard on the local Republican radio and most of it is Mickey Mouse politics shit that has no substance. And yet, when a poster, such as Azwed who has proven himself to be not only intelligent, but thoughtful, and almost one of the most non-partisan posters on this thread, you treat him like a dog that has been spanked.
Know who you are talking to and what they are on this board before you dismiss them with some grand dame waive.
I was thinking the same thing about your post. You are propogandistic. You like to hold high your flag, and your free speech, and the free press, as if they are a tool for yellow journalism.
That sickens me.
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And I am rude? You children are very funny. LOL
I'm kinda sick of your arrogant ways to be honest. You come on here spewing shit you probably heard on the local Republican radio and most of it is Mickey Mouse politics shit that has no substance. And yet, when a poster, such as Azwed who has proven himself to be not only intelligent, but thoughtful, and almost one of the most non-partisan posters on this thread, you treat him like a dog that has been spanked.
Know who you are talking to and what they are on this board before you dismiss them with some grand dame waive.
I was thinking the same thing about your post. You are propogandistic. You like to hold high your flag, and your free speech, and the free press, as if they are a tool for yellow journalism.
That sickens me.
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And I am rude? You children are very funny. LOL
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lavender said:
Name calling is what you are best at, little girl.
A Desert Rose said:
My experience with DR is that if you are disagreed with and can't argue out of it you do one or both of the following:
1. Play Martyr (You just don't like me; or go ahead and tag team me. . . )
2. Attempt to be above it all by <laughing> or, in this case, being older than someone else (for me, that seemed to end in Junior High, by the way), rather than substantiating an argument.
It is ok to have a contrary belief, DR. Just back it up instead of throwing insults. I looked at the thread. You started the personal insults before anyone else.
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Re: Here's a Few . . .
The Burmese Army in … Burma? Are you sure they haven't invaded Australia? Sorry, forgot we were talking about terrorism.
Montego Bay is in … Cuba? Poison gas attacks that were so profound, so shocking, you almost but not quite got the continent right. It was in Japan.
As for Guantanamo Bay (assuming that was where your fractured geography was headed — speaks well for your superior knowledge, doesn't it?), I share the deep shame, as do all Americans, that we confined terrorists on a tropical island, fed them food they'd find palatable, and gave them the Koran.
As for that little uprising in China, that terrorism was imposed by the government on a people yearning to be free. Saddam is slightly less circumspect, merely gassing to death peoples he feel are a threat to his rule. Or did you think the Kurds were killed by fairy dust?
Don K Dyck said:1. The Northern Ireland bombings
2. The Rwanda terror (OK that was eight years ago)
3. Eta in Spain, already mentioned by Pyper
4. The Burmese Army in Burma (Meinmah (?))
5. US terrorist activities in Montego Bay, Cuba
6. Shining Path in Peru
7. The Saren attacks in NY/London (?) subway . . .
8. Teinamen Square China (OK that was about 10 years ago)
Somehow I get the feeling that DannyBoyUK may have an interest in this thread . . .
The Burmese Army in … Burma? Are you sure they haven't invaded Australia? Sorry, forgot we were talking about terrorism.
Montego Bay is in … Cuba? Poison gas attacks that were so profound, so shocking, you almost but not quite got the continent right. It was in Japan.
As for Guantanamo Bay (assuming that was where your fractured geography was headed — speaks well for your superior knowledge, doesn't it?), I share the deep shame, as do all Americans, that we confined terrorists on a tropical island, fed them food they'd find palatable, and gave them the Koran.
As for that little uprising in China, that terrorism was imposed by the government on a people yearning to be free. Saddam is slightly less circumspect, merely gassing to death peoples he feel are a threat to his rule. Or did you think the Kurds were killed by fairy dust?
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Like I said earlier Jim, just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it's not happening.
One thing I learned from living abroad is that the American media is not impartial. They lie by ommission. For instance, did you know that the day after the 9/11 attacks, there was a march of thousands of people in Tehran showing support and sympathy for America? People were crying, lighting candles...but did we see it? No, we saw angry men burning the American flag and cheering.
Also, people in Islamic countries may not show support for anti-extremism because of fear of reprisal from their dictatorship governments. The exact same way people don't openly talk about how much they love democracy in a totalitarian state. It's dangerous. Dictatorships hardly ever represent the will of the people...but they try to make it seem like they do.
And this is an argument that's been done again and again...but it needs to be reiterated. Until recently, Christianity was an extremely violent religion. In the Middle Ages, millions of people died in the name of preserving Christianity, while at the same time Islam was the center of knowledge, tolerance, and enlightenment. Has either religion changed? I don't think so. It's the culture and the historical and political circumstances that change. The Middle East doesn't need a change in religion, it needs a change in politics.
One thing I learned from living abroad is that the American media is not impartial. They lie by ommission. For instance, did you know that the day after the 9/11 attacks, there was a march of thousands of people in Tehran showing support and sympathy for America? People were crying, lighting candles...but did we see it? No, we saw angry men burning the American flag and cheering.
Also, people in Islamic countries may not show support for anti-extremism because of fear of reprisal from their dictatorship governments. The exact same way people don't openly talk about how much they love democracy in a totalitarian state. It's dangerous. Dictatorships hardly ever represent the will of the people...but they try to make it seem like they do.
And this is an argument that's been done again and again...but it needs to be reiterated. Until recently, Christianity was an extremely violent religion. In the Middle Ages, millions of people died in the name of preserving Christianity, while at the same time Islam was the center of knowledge, tolerance, and enlightenment. Has either religion changed? I don't think so. It's the culture and the historical and political circumstances that change. The Middle East doesn't need a change in religion, it needs a change in politics.
Re: Re: I'm confused....
Ooh a pithy remark. I can see you're up to the chapter of Lord of the Rings where they try to be witty.
Bush said such anti-Islamic comments were at odds with the views of most Americans.
But for those of us with half a brain:
"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans," Bush told reporters as he began a meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites).
"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.
"Ours is a country based upon tolerance ... And we're not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values."
Bush did not identify conservative Christian leaders as his target, but White House officials said he was prompted by the anti-Islamic remarks of some of them, particularly religious broadcaster Pat Robertson, who reportedly said this week Muslims were "worse than the Nazis."
Oooh this is a face turn on the level of The Rock in '98. Will Christians even vote for G-Dub after that stinging indictment of "some" statements?
Oh hatemongerers of the south beware, G-Dub will no longer sit idly by as you denigrate an entire faith. Should you insult a race of peace loving people you might get a whole paragraph of Government Speak.
He'll still take your checks though.
phrodeau said:
Ooh a pithy remark. I can see you're up to the chapter of Lord of the Rings where they try to be witty.
Bush said such anti-Islamic comments were at odds with the views of most Americans.
But for those of us with half a brain:
"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans," Bush told reporters as he began a meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites).
"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.
"Ours is a country based upon tolerance ... And we're not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values."
Bush did not identify conservative Christian leaders as his target, but White House officials said he was prompted by the anti-Islamic remarks of some of them, particularly religious broadcaster Pat Robertson, who reportedly said this week Muslims were "worse than the Nazis."
Oooh this is a face turn on the level of The Rock in '98. Will Christians even vote for G-Dub after that stinging indictment of "some" statements?
Oh hatemongerers of the south beware, G-Dub will no longer sit idly by as you denigrate an entire faith. Should you insult a race of peace loving people you might get a whole paragraph of Government Speak.
He'll still take your checks though.
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Re: Re: Re: Here's a Few . . .
Well, the UN did, but that was all about following the resolutions which were in place and which were supposed to have been enforced. The US should take some of the blame there, because the empowering resolutioin authorized any allied country to take whatever means necessary to enforce complaince, but no one did.
And you're wrong about the second statment. Most conservative (numberically, not politically) estimates still have Hussein about 1 million deaths up on the sanctions.
lavender said:
Well, the UN did, but that was all about following the resolutions which were in place and which were supposed to have been enforced. The US should take some of the blame there, because the empowering resolutioin authorized any allied country to take whatever means necessary to enforce complaince, but no one did.
And you're wrong about the second statment. Most conservative (numberically, not politically) estimates still have Hussein about 1 million deaths up on the sanctions.
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