Hunting

[The Heretic]

so you don't think that's typical?

seriously.. hunting is huge in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.. kids get the first day of deer hunting season off from school.. Employers have to give the day off to their employees because they know they just won't show up.... I know hundreds of people personally who live for this and yes THIS is what they do and how they go about it...

and it is typical

No - no it isn't typical. I have hunted for over 35 years, have met hundreds of hunters and I have yet to meet or know a hunter who sat and drank beer while waiting at a pre-baited spot.

I will admit to once sitting at a spot overlooking an old apple tree that I knew the deer frequented - but the spot was not 'pre-baited' (illegal in most states). I did that for weeks before I shot a deer under that tree. That was usually what I did in the very early morning and late afternoon as part of a day of hunting. The rest of the day I varied between still hunting and stalking.

In my experience, deer are not bewildered when I have hunted them. One deer that I shot was very smart - that deer had hunkered down into some ferns (about 2 foot high) as I slowly walked through. It was only the fact that I was very quiet, taking three steps or so then stopping and looking around, that fooled that deer into thinking that I had passed and it was now safe to leave. I saw that deer out of the corner of my eye - it rose from the ferns and started slinking away after I had passed.

 

[Saint Peter]

If you think that is typical, then you don't know shit.

Could not agree more.

 

[Agent99]

If I shoot a deer with antlers I mount the antlers.

I've had a few dears interested in mounting my rack, but never have I considered mounting a deer's.

That might hurt a bit... even with the velvet.

 

[Saint Peter]

I've had a few dears interested in mounting my rack, but never have I considered mounting a deer's.

That might hurt a bit... even with the velvet.

Will the baseball bat and zucchini feel left out? So to speak.

 

[kbate]

I've had a few dears interested in mounting my rack, but never have I considered mounting a deer's.

That might hurt a bit... even with the velvet.

Why, I'm pretending to be offended. I imagine it would hurt.

 

[Agent99]

Will the baseball bat and zucchini feel left out? So to speak.

What's your [8] point?

 

[gman23]

Humans make much better sport.

 

[Cheyenne]

It's not all "sit in a field drinking beer and blasting away at anything that comes around. The folks who do that aren't hunters. They're idiots.

Exactly.

 

[Agent99]

It's not all "sit in a field drinking beer and blasting away at anything that comes around. The folks who do that aren't hunters. They're idiots.

True.

And that is a Hmong-ous point.

 

[JazzManJim]

True.

And that is a Hmong-ous point.

LOL...youare, as usual, exactly right, and witty, too.

 

[The Heretic]

You can make as much or as little sport out of just about anything you want to do. You could go XC skiing and do nothing but sit around and drink beer, toke joints and eat while listening to punk rock (I have known people who did this), or you could go get a bow and archery hunt, hiking dozens of miles, and living off the land (I have known people who did that too).

Lumping practioners of any pastime in with the worst examples of other practioners is called stereotyping. Are there slob hunters? Yes. Is every hunter a slob hunter? No. Far from it.

 

[Saint Peter]

Now bowling must be a sport because the Olympic people say so. And darts. Do not forget darts.

 

[mansome]

No - no it isn't typical. I have hunted for over 35 years, have met hundreds of hunters and I have yet to meet or know a hunter who sat and drank beer while waiting at a pre-baited spot.

I will admit to once sitting at a spot overlooking an old apple tree that I knew the deer frequented - but the spot was not 'pre-baited' (illegal in most states). I did that for weeks before I shot a deer under that tree. That was usually what I did in the very early morning and late afternoon as part of a day of hunting. The rest of the day I varied between still hunting and stalking.

In my experience, deer are not bewildered when I have hunted them. One deer that I shot was very smart - that deer had hunkered down into some ferns (about 2 foot high) as I slowly walked through. It was only the fact that I was very quiet, taking three steps or so then stopping and looking around, that fooled that deer into thinking that I had passed and it was now safe to leave. I saw that deer out of the corner of my eye - it rose from the ferns and started slinking away after I had passed.

Well now I know you are just lying... you haven't met 1 single hunter in your 35 years of hunting that has sat down and drank a beer while waiting for deer?

I know hundreds that DO do that... please... you are just making up shit right now....

and it must make you feel really good to outsmart a deer......

 

[The Heretic]

Well now I know you are just lying... you haven't met 1 single hunter in your 35 years of hunting that has sat down and drank a beer while waiting for deer?

I know hundreds that DO do that... please... you are just making up shit right now....

and it must make you feel really good to outsmart a deer......

Nope. Have never met or known one that drank any kind of alcoholic beverage while handling any kind of firearm, much less hunting while drinking. Afterwards sure, but before or during? No.

Most people west of the Rockies take such things fairly seriously.

Maybe I just hang with a better class of people than you or your family. I also don't call someone a liar unless I have proof of it. You on the other hand throw insults around like they are nothing.

 

[JinXed]

I've noticed that Petie has been getting fiesty lately, I like it!



No one in my family sits to hunt, they all walk.
My ex husband more than everyone else - he can't just sit still, besides he and his father use those times to check the fences along his fathers large farm.

Sure drinking takes place - but it isn't the norm as mansome would hope to portray, at least not while hunting. It's more for afterwards - while sitting around the camp. No one in my family, or my ex's, drinks. Ever - hunting season or not. *shrugs*

And as I've mentioned many times here, they all love venison and keep the meat. If they have more than their freezers can hold, they pass it around to the poorer families in the area that rely on the meat to get them through the year. That isn't just the venison, turkey, rabbit, squirrel (yuck) and other assorted game in the area are used for food.

If you live in the country you'd realize how dangerous it can be for the deer running out in the road - you can drive as slowly as possible, eyes sweeping from side to side at all times, stop when you see one and still have them hit your vehicle. It happens. It isn't just about that though, but if they aren't thinned out a bit - the deer population suffers because they're not able to find enough food to last them during the winter. It's closely regulated here.

Oh, and none of my family or my ex husbands spray themselves with any type of scents to attract game, use "calls" or lures with food prior to hunting season.

 

[mansome]

Nope. Have never met or known one that drank any kind of alcoholic beverage while handling any kind of firearm, much less hunting while drinking. Afterwards sure, but before or during? No.

Most people west of the Rockies take such things fairly seriously.

Maybe I just hang with a better class of people than you or your family. I also don't call someone a liar unless I have proof of it. You on the other hand throw insults around like they are nothing.

has nothing to do with east or west.. has to do with you telling the truth...... men put something to "warm' them up with their gear all the time when they go hunting..

I think it's a ridiculous and feckless practice that's been going on for centuries... to say that you don't know anyone to do that out of the hundreds of people you know through hunting over 35 years is just an outright lie.. it's got to be....

but... it's not a big deal to me.... put on your tribal face paint and run naked in the woods with your gun and shoot the agile deer.. I still think anyone can do it.. seems silly to me...

 

[Slowlane]

I haven't hunted in many years, but I'll chime in here. I too, have spent many hours in the field hunting everything from rabbits to bears, and never once met anyone who drank and hunted. Not so much as a beer with lunch. At least not among the people I hunted with.

Hunters, like everyone else, are recruited from the human race – they come in all kinds.

I used to hunt somewhat like Kbate. The property was large enough to go out back, so to speak, and shoot something. We feed it all year so why not?

Hunting, to me and many people I know, isn’t a sport. There are only two reasons to kill something, it is either endangering you or your livelihood, or you intend to eat it. I’ve hunted for both reasons. Sport is trap and target shooting, or even paint ball.

I don’t fault most others for wanting to hunt. For me it’s much like heating with wood, pumping water by hand, and using an outhouse out back. I did it when I needed to – now I don’t. If I ever need to again I will.

 

[The Heretic]

has nothing to do with east or west.. has to do with you telling the truth...... men put something to "warm' them up with their gear all the time when they go hunting..

I think it's a ridiculous and feckless practice that's been going on for centuries... to say that you don't know anyone to do that out of the hundreds of people you know through hunting over 35 years is just an outright lie.. it's got to be....

You betray your own ignorance and intolerance by calling anyone a liar who disagrees with your stereotypes and slander, with your own poor experience (surely an exagerration of one degree or another), just because their experience doesn't match your own.

But you keep it right up - I stand behind what I said.

 

[Image]

Told ya from the get go, Mansome

I have to laugh because I've been back and forth in these hunting threads with Heretic and others since I was a newb... But you seem to push that extra button that just makes 'em loves ya more ~LOL~

I will admit to once sitting at a spot overlooking an old apple tree that I knew the deer frequented - but the spot was not 'pre-baited' (illegal in most states). I did that for weeks before I shot a deer under that tree. That was usually what I did in the very early morning and late afternoon as part of a day of hunting. The rest of the day I varied between still hunting and stalking.

In my experience, deer are not bewildered when I have hunted them. One deer that I shot was very smart - that deer had hunkered down into some ferns (about 2 foot high) as I slowly walked through. It was only the fact that I was very quiet, taking three steps or so then stopping and looking around, that fooled that deer into thinking that I had passed and it was now safe to leave. I saw that deer out of the corner of my eye - it rose from the ferns and started slinking away after I had passed.


I just have to comment on this one though, Heretic... I mean, com'on! Is this supposed to make you sound clever? Hunting and stalking? One deer that I shot was very smart? Obviously not smart enough to outwit you... Slinking away? Scared to death, no doubt, not understanding and yes bewildered... How very sad.

That's all *sigh*

We'll never agree so I'll just respect your right to your opinion...

 

[The Heretic]

I just have to comment on this one though, Heretic... I mean, com'on! Is this supposed to make you sound clever? Hunting and stalking? One deer that I shot was very smart? Obviously not smart enough to outwit you... Slinking away? Scared to death, no doubt, not understanding and yes bewildered... How very sad.

The point is that msot of the deer I have hunted very much understand that humans hunt them - at least after the opening day of hunting season. Ask any hunter, or for that matter a wildlife biologist, if they don't believe that to be true.

Deer are a herbivore that has had predators hunt them for millenia - they know what hunting is about. Do they understand that when someone raises a firearm that they are going to be shot, or how it works? Of course not.

Are they innocent little Bambis that wander around in the forest playing games with skunks and rabbits? No. Most are smart enough to know when a predator is on the prowl, and that humans can be predators. They are also smart enough to avoid predators - or they wouldn't survive.

Smarter than most people, especially mansome, give them credit for. Smarter than some people? Yeah - many hunters come back empty handed time and time again. I have yet to take an elk and I have hunted them a dozen times.

That is my point.

 

[mansome]

of course baiting is illegal in most states.. of course drinking while using a firearm is illegal in all states.. well probably 'cept Texas.. *laughs*... of course hunters say they use sophisticated stalking tactics to outwit their foe..

BUT

in reality... hunters exagerate their stories... hunters bait to some extent.. and whether they admit it or not they do KNOW people who have a little to drink or a lot to drink while hunting... I can't fathom someone who's an adept hunter not knowing a single person in their lives who didn't have some sort of drink before or while hunting...

NOW in saying this I haven't been completely honest with WHERE our hunting camps happen to be...

Anyone see the movie "Escanaba in da moonlight"? well our camps are just a few miles away from that town.... and although the movie is an exageration of the drunken hunter... it's not too far off from actual reality.....

I don't find hunting to be fun.. I find some of the socialization that accompanies hunting season to be fun at times..

 

[Cheyenne]

Nope. Have never met or known one that drank any kind of alcoholic beverage while handling any kind of firearm, much less hunting while drinking. Afterwards sure, but before or during? No.

Most people west of the Rockies take such things fairly seriously.

Maybe I just hang with a better class of people than you or your family. I also don't call someone a liar unless I have proof of it. You on the other hand throw insults around like they are nothing.

My family is like yours, Heretic. Although they don't drink much AFTER the hunt, either. Never, ever before or during the time they will be holding a gun though.

I know NO ONE who drinks before or during hunting. mansome must be from one hell of a family.

 

[Slowlane]

The point is that msot of the deer I have hunted very much understand that humans hunt them - at least after the opening day of hunting season. Ask any hunter, or for that matter a wildlife biologist, if they don't believe that to be true.

Deer are a herbivore that has had predators hunt them for millenia - they know what hunting is about. Do they understand that when someone raises a firearm that they are going to be shot, or how it works? Of course not.

Are they innocent little Bambis that wander around in the forest playing games with skunks and rabbits? No. Most are smart enough to know when a predator is on the prowl, and that humans can be predators. They are also smart enough to avoid predators - or they wouldn't survive.

Smarter than most people, especially mansome, give them credit for. Smarter than some people? Yeah - many hunters come back empty handed time and time again. I have yet to take an elk and I have hunted them a dozen times.

That is my point.

I'm not going to waste my time on details, but there is nothing in that post that is “real world”.

 

[Cheyenne]

Oh, and none of my family or my ex husbands spray themselves with any type of scents to attract game, use "calls" or lures with food prior to hunting season.

Mine, either.

They also don't do tree stands because those are dangerously easy to fall out of. Their "stands" are leaning up against a tree while standing and waiting or sitting on a stump. They don't do "deer drives" because there is a greater chance of someone like mansome's family shooting at you instead of a deer. They stick to deer stands where they know the land and the other hunters around them.

 

[Image]

The point is that msot of the deer I have hunted very much understand that humans hunt them - at least after the opening day of hunting season. Ask any hunter, or for that matter a wildlife biologist, if they don't believe that to be true.

Deer are a herbivore that has had predators hunt them for millenia - they know what hunting is about. Do they understand that when someone raises a firearm that they are going to be shot, or how it works? Of course not.

Are they innocent little Bambis that wander around in the forest playing games with skunks and rabbits? No. Most are smart enough to know when a predator is on the prowl, and that humans can be predators. They are also smart enough to avoid predators - or they wouldn't survive.

Smarter than most people, especially mansome, give them credit for. Smarter than some people? Yeah - many hunters come back empty handed time and time again. I have yet to take an elk and I have hunted them a dozen times.

That is my point.

I don't doubt for a minute that the deer know that man is a predator... There isn't an organism on this planet that hasn't been touched in a negative way by the strong arm of humankind...

The difference though between humans and other predators is that man doesn't necessarily have to take that role for survival any longer...

I'd rather play chess