How To Spot A Neoliberal?

[Veroe]

Neocons are the neoliberals of the Republican Party. Fake populists, just like Trump himself. Trump spent much of his dubious career as a Manhattan Clinton Democrat. Just sayin’.

Not just the neocons, but the chamber of commerce types too: the Paul Ryans and Mitch McConnells in the party.

 

[SevMax2]

Not just the neocons, but the chamber of commerce types too: the Paul Ryans and Mitch McConnells in the party.

Yep, them, too.

 

[Lazaran]

Who the hell said Biden is no different from voting for Trump?

I know I didn't.

At this point voting for a pet rock would be better than voting for Il Presidente Donaldo Trumpolini.

You just see falsely that any criticism of Biden or the leadership of the Democratic party as bringing down to the same level as the republicans or Trump in particular. Yes Biden is not as bad as Trump and the Democrats aren't as bad as the Republican party, but to purposely be blind to their shortcomings is just stupid and apologizes for their own responsibility in the state our country is in now.

I see you completely missed the not so subtle point I was making Susan. Or do you prefer Ms. Sarandon.

I'll spell it out for you.

There is an active effort to discourage people from voting for Biden by portraying him and the Democratic Party as being no better than Trump. It worked in 2016, when they successfully cast Hillary as some kind of dragon lady. I'm not saying you are doing it, but some people(SevMax2 and others)have been pushing the narrative relentlessly. Hillary and the Democratic Party weren't as bad as Trump and the Republican Party in 2016, and they're not as bad as them in 2020 either. In fact, they are arguably more progressive than they have ever been. But that's still not good enough is it???

*sighs and shrugs*

 

[Veroe]

I see you completely missed the not so subtle point I was making Susan. Or do you prefer Ms. Sarandon.

I'll spell it out for you.

There is an active effort to discourage people from voting for Biden by portraying him and the Democratic Party as being no better than Trump. It worked in 2016, when they successfully cast Hillary as some kind of dragon lady. I'm not saying you are doing it, but some people(SevMax2 and others)have been pushing the narrative relentlessly. Hillary and the Democratic Party weren't as bad as Trump and the Republican Party in 2016, and they're not as bad as them in 2020 either. In fact, they are arguably more progressive than they have ever been. But that's still not good enough is it???

*sighs and shrugs*

LOL ""Arguably more progressive than they have ever been".

I think you need to read up on the party's history. Both Teddy Roosevelt and FDR would be as despised as AOC and Bernie are today by the only nominally progressive democratic establishment of today. In the last forty years in their efforts to seem more moderate and centrist they've strayed further away from the Progressivism that used to be the norm in the democratic party and further to the right with the shifting of the overton window filling in the center right void as the republicans migrated further and further to the extreme right in that same forty year timespan.

 

[Lazaran]

LOL ""Arguably more progressive than they have ever been".

I think you need to read up on the party's history. Both Teddy Roosevelt and FDR would be as despised as AOC and Bernie are today by the only nominally progressive democratic establishment of today. In the last forty years in their efforts to seem more moderate and centrist they've strayed further away from the Progressivism that used to be the norm in the democratic party and further to the right with the shifting of the overton window filling in the center right void as the republicans migrated further and further to the extreme right in that same forty year timespan.

Sadly, I think you believe what you just wrote.

You may want to brush up on the history of the Roosevelt boys.

I'll wait.

 

[adrina]

Frankly I think that you posted this list with its use of language to be a worse reflection on you.

If you buy into this, then it's on you.

But the fact that you didn't critically analyze the language of the post pretty much makes you look like a jackass.

Sorry, not sorry.

Carry on.

 

[Ziggins]

Please, You guys have your own version of Neo-lieberalism on the right wing. Alot of them were the never-trumpers like the lincoln project or Mitt Romney or John Kasich, but alot of them were smart and pretended to be on Trump's side to coopt his movement's whole direction into their same Right-wing Neo-liberal agenda. That's how the only thing the Republican's got passed under Trump despite having both the house and the senate was Paul Ryan's wet dream of tax cuts to billionaires and corporations.

They had three decades to get deeply entrenched in their duopoly, but the times they are a-changin.

 

[SevMax2]

Frankly I think that you posted this list with its use of language to be a worse reflection on you.

If you buy into this, then it's on you.

But the fact that you didn't critically analyze the language of the post pretty much makes you look like a jackass.

Sorry, not sorry.

Carry on.

Sorry if the reality is ugly, but it is and some tough love is required. The machine politics of the Democratic Party has done real harm to the progressive cause and only served Wall Street and the military industrial complex. I’m a polemicist. It’s my technique.

 

[adrina]

Sorry if the reality is ugly, but it is and some tough love is required. The machine politics of the Democratic Party has done real harm to the progressive cause and only served Wall Street and the military industrial complex. I’m a polemicist. It’s my technique.

So that's how you want to excuse yourself? Most people just call it vitriol and bitterness.

Whatever. It's you that has to live with yourself in your head.

 

[SevMax2]

So that's how you want to excuse yourself? Most people just call it vitriol and bitterness.

Whatever. It's you that has to live with yourself in your head.

Telling the truth needs no excuse. It’s the right moral policy. Sorry you can’t see that.

 

[Lazaran]

Sorry if the reality is ugly, but it is and some tough love is required. The machine politics of the Democratic Party has done real harm to the progressive cause and only served Wall Street and the military industrial complex. I’m a polemicist. It’s my technique.

Well if the Democratic Party did "real harm" to the progressive cause then the Republican Party must have murdered it.

Why don't you just make a list of your demands and then we can negotiate...er....I mean discuss them.

 

[adrina]

Telling the truth needs no excuse. It’s the right moral policy. Sorry you can’t see that.

Again if that's what you want to call it.

The truth doesn't require that level of vitriol, sarcasm and derision.

It does however betray a lot about you.

Dress it up however you want it.

 

[SevMax2]

Again if that's what you want to call it.

The truth doesn't require that level of vitriol, sarcasm and derision.

It does however betray a lot about you.

Dress it up however you want it.

They have earned it. Bunch of warmongering corporate tools. I’m being generous, if anything. The Establishment is pure evil.

 

[adrina]

They have earned it. Bunch of warmongering corporate tools. I’m being generous, if anything. The Establishment is pure evil.

Does your petty self indulgence make you feel better?

It's not like it helps the situation.

 

[SevMax2]

By the way, is it really that vitriolic, especially compared to the invective used by the center against the left? Scarcely. What is hurled against us often, the McCarthyist rhetoric, is truly repugnant and vile.

Classic hypocrisy and double standards from the center directed at the left here. They call us traitors and Russians for exposing their corruption,elitism, and warmongering..and protest when we challenge them on it.

 

[SevMax2]

Does your petty self indulgence make you feel better?

It's not like it helps the situation.

Nothing petty or self indulgent here. Confrontational, yes, but only as necessary.

 

[adrina]

 

[SevMax2]

Given your own vitriol used on political enemies, it is clear that you lack any shame.

 

[Lazaran]

He's either a Russian troll or a left wing absolutist like Susan Sarandon.

Although even Susan Sarandon has endorsed Biden so.......

You're probably right..... He's just an asshole.

 

[SevMax2]

The irony of someone calling others assholes and complaining about vitriol while engaging in crude and idiotic McCarthyism. Back to iggy for you. Both of you.

 

[Just4AFriend]

Biden is no progressive like Trump wants to paint him

But Trump is death to America

We can fix Biden

 

[Lazaran]

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Mission accomplished

 

[Sean Renaud]

Biden is no progressive like Trump wants to paint him

But Trump is death to America

We can fix Biden

I don't know if we can fix Biden so much as we can groom Kamala and hope America doesn't fuck up again. And she's got some flaws but some she probably learned from.

 

[icanhelp1]

Given your own vitriol used on political enemies, it is clear that you lack any shame.

Because your political view doesn’t align with their’s the cancel culture becomes the go to tactic and when that doesn’t work the little snowflakes put you on IGGY, that’s what’s really sad. Your opinion is only welcomed when it serves their agenda and agrees with their point of view,

 

[adrina]

The irony of someone calling others assholes and complaining about vitriol while engaging in crude and idiotic McCarthyism. Back to iggy for you. Both of you.

Because your political view doesn’t align with their’s the cancel culture becomes the go to tactic and when that doesn’t work the little snowflakes put you on IGGY, that’s what’s really sad. Your opinion is only welcomed when it serves their agenda and agrees with their point of view,

Irony.