How to not be in love with your best friend's wife?

adamsro

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Howdy all, I've lurked around here for about 2 months now and think that the vast majority of you are great folks. I'm sorry that my first post is to ask for help as opposed to offering it, but I could really use a hand....

The story thus far.

When I was very young my parents fought a lot and ended up divorcing. It happens, no problems there. For the duration of my time with my Mother and Sister, fighting was the rule not the exception. Nasty stuff too, if one of us were injured you could make DAMN sure that we'd injure you in return.

So I turn about 17 have all the usual bullshit dating behind me and find a girl (Lola) that is great. She loves me, she's intelligent and we don't fight. (Tangential note she was my ex's best friend and I was trying to set her up with a good friend of mine. She got me and he got her and all was well). I get to thinking that things are going pretty well, she's not the most independent woman I've ever met, but I've always loved lending a helping hand. We date through the end of high school and I join the Marines. I miss her, she misses me, and I develop SEVERE stress fractures that won't heal correctly. Six months later we're back together and proceed to go about getting on with the random break ups and bullshit that accompany young love.

Here's where things go south. One of my roommates (Anne) at the time hooks me up with her friend as a rebound chick (Sarah). Fireworks! Crazy, extreme, take your breath away, can't eat/sleep/function without her, fireworks ensue. What I didn't know at the time was this was how love was supposed to be. So of course I still have feelings for the far less hot-tempered and slightly more attractive ex. So I cheat on Sarah the first time. Bizarrely enough she forgives me and after a couple of months we make another go of it. I cheat on her again (if you haven't figured out I'm an idiot/asshole by now I'll clarify... I am). Sarah doesn't know about the second time yet and I'm still trying to figure out what the hell I'm going to do about the situation when fate steps in and my male roommate finds out. And tells her as part of his master plan to convince her to be with him. Hilarity ensues, I find a new place to live and.... she forgives me AGAIN!! The caveat this time being that we're done dating.

OK, no sex (which wasn't all that fantastic for a variety of reasons that WEREN'T her fault), but we still spend a LOT of time together. Sarah goes to college eighty miles away and I spend three or four nights a week driving up there to hang out with her, sleep on the floor and beat rush hour back to my job. She's of course flattered and bemused by the attention.

Lola and I get back together and separate on and off during this period of time and finally Sarah moves back to town permanently. By now I've moved into a townhouse with a buddy of mine (Roy). At some point I realize that Sarah has feelings for Roy and try to be cool with it. Then they hookup and I move the fuck out. I have one of the most mean-spirited conversations in HISTORY with Sarah in the next few days, totally just shredding her. (Refer to the earlier asshole comment). She insists that I can't just walk out of her life and can't understand that I can't handle being a part of it. Things are awkward but we sail in the same social waters so we try and be functional.

About two months later I'm on vacation with Lola (dating at this point) and a bunch of friends including Anne (remember Anne, this is a song about Anne [Arlo reference]). Roy calls me and informs me that Sarah's mother has passed away and that Anne and I would be requested at the viewing. So the two of us FLY up from the beach to go to the viewing. I'm there hugging Sarah, holding her and trying to comfort her as much as I can.

Flash forward a week and I run into the two of them at a party. I give a tentative wave that she utterly ignores. Ok, I'll play it loose and give her space. I try and stay out of the crosshairs but she catches me leaving to smoke and says: "Look who's trying to avoid me!". I mumble something and carry on. I don't see Sarah for four years. I find out that she thinks that my appearance at the viewing was just for appearance sake.

Fine let her hate me. I deserve it and maybe it makes it easier for her to have a focus for her anger. I lose all of my friends from that group and have to have surreptitious lunches with her husband to even keep touch. I miss weddings, including hers, and damn near every other bit of news and merry making. Just before my wedding to Lola, we run into each other at a party. She decides that everything is fine and that now we're going to be the best of friends again.

I'm sorry, it'd been four years without so much as a "Hi, how're you doing", I was pissed. But I missed my friends and her husband (Roy) and I were still good friends. They come to my wedding and we avoid each other and talk only when we have to.

For the next year and a half slowly things got easier again. I saw her with the group and football Sundays two or three times a week. She and my wife, who'd been loose high school friends, proceed to be amused by Roy's and my antics and all is well with the world.

Then I got hit in the middle of the night. Woke up, couldn't sleep and couldn't figure out why my stomach hurt so much. So I'm still in love with Sarah and not my wife. She still thinks (accurately) that I'm an asshole. I tell her I'm still in love with her and need to spend time away to clear my head. She says the same thing she said years ago, "I don't want to lose my friend". I explain to her that I can't be this much in love with her and be near her. I can't function this way. I'm pathetic enough that each time her husband speaks ill of her, I say nothing and cringe. When he cheats on her (not consistently) I say nothing to anyone and wrestle my conscience.

She says to me one day, as I'm drunk and pouring my guts out about how much in love with her I am, and how I've fucked up both mine and Lola's life: "Lots of people are in love and content".

Fuck that. I reject that as a possible reality. Twice I've been in love, once Sarah and once before Lola. The girl before Lola left me, no discussion. I ruined my chance with Sarah, no discussion. But both times I can say this. When either walked into a room, my heart skipped a beat. Whenever I looked into her eyes, it took my breath away.

We're not talking puppy love either. Seven years later, every time I see her my teeth hurt.

So I'm planning on getting my wife out of college (PhD) and getting her employed, and then slipping away to a different state for about six months.



If you've taken the time to read my tale of woe I appreciate it. I know that I'm the victim of my own devising. I'm just not sure how to make it right, make everyone as happy as they can be, and not end up drinking my self to death.

Any thoughts or tips appreciated


(Names changed to protect the innocent)
 
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Holy shit dude, I don't even know where to start with this one. Let me see though, first the important question: Have you put your asshole tendancies behind you? If so , maybe you and Sarah need to sit down and really discuss what went wrong and what you might be able to see as a future. If you haven't put those behind you, don't even go there, you'll just wind up hurting everyone.

There's no way to make everyone happy here. What ever you do, someone's taking it in the shorts. Even if you just let it drop and move on, you get hurt.

I guess I'm at a real loss to tell you have to proceed, other than to say you and Sarah and you and your wife need to have one hell of a deep conversation. Other than that, I appreciate your honesty. Just keep that trend going.
 
Oy vey

Yes, I'm all growed up now and done with the asshole behavior and asinine rationalization.

As much as I want something, anything, with "Sarah", there is just too much bad blood and too much bad behavior. Plus, like I said, pretty sure she still thinks I'm an asshole. Oh right, and she's married (dubious quality) to my best friend. To be able to be friends with her, I need to deal with my wife first then my feelings for "Sarah". Otherwise things keep getting all jumbled up.

Yeah, because of the earlier noted behavior the odds of "Sarah", my wife, and I have a deep and stimulating conversation are about nill. The wife doesn't care that much for "Sarah" down deep, and would be crushed to find out that I still have romantic feelings for her. Doesn't help the wife at all and just puts everyone else in a worse situation.

Thanks for the feedback! I want to make sure I challenge all the things I think and see if anyone else finds them even remotely reasonable :)
 
adamsro said:
Yes, I'm all growed up now and done with the asshole behavior and asinine rationalization.

As much as I want something, anything, with "Sarah", there is just too much bad blood and too much bad behavior. Plus, like I said, pretty sure she still thinks I'm an asshole. Oh right, and she's married (dubious quality) to my best friend. To be able to be friends with her, I need to deal with my wife first then my feelings for "Sarah". Otherwise things keep getting all jumbled up.

Yeah, because of the earlier noted behavior the odds of "Sarah", my wife, and I have a deep and stimulating conversation are about nill. The wife doesn't care that much for "Sarah" down deep, and would be crushed to find out that I still have romantic feelings for her. Doesn't help the wife at all and just puts everyone else in a worse situation.

Thanks for the feedback! I want to make sure I challenge all the things I think and see if anyone else finds them even remotely reasonable :)

Well I wasn't meaning having a discussion with BOTH of them together, I meant one discussion with each of them. Sorry that came out muddled. :rolleyes:

Anyhow you have a few basic questions to ask yourself:

1.) Why do you still love Sarah? Is it becasue you love her, or because you screwed it up and regret what you lost?
2.) Do you love your wife? Do you want to make it work with her? All thoughts of Sarah aside it sounds to me like you need to deal with that relationship first and decide what's best for both of you.
3.) Is it really a love for Sarah or just some tension in your marriage that is manifesting itself as a love for Sarah?

I guess my suggestion would be to figure out where you stand with your marriage first. Once you deal with that, then you can put your feelings for Sarah into perspective. At least that's how I'd approach it.
 
May I add one more thing? Drinking yourself to death is NOT an option. Kahuna gave you excellent advice (good job, TBK). Adding alcohol to the equation would be very foolish.
 
A little more truth

1) It's got to be one or the other? Joking aside, nope I still love her. She could hate me with all her heart and she'd still curl my toes
2) I love my wife. I'm not in love with my wife. I don't want to make it work, I want her to find someone else to make her happy. I want her to grow up with someone else, she's young enough now that she can develop new habits and I'll confess I make it easy as shit for her NOT to grow up. I will not be happy with her for the rest of my life. Even if we worked out all the irritancies I could name, the root cause remains. She's not someone I'm in love with, and probably never was. Now that I'm sure I know what love is, I'm not going to be happy unless I find it agin with someone else.
3) Again, it can't be both? The tension and unhappiness with my marriage is exacerbating the situation. The root cause remains. I love her, I loved her the entire time we dated, and I allowed fear and immaturity to ruin the best thing that ever happened to me.

BG, in regard to drinking myself to death. No I don't plan on it, but my drinking has substantially increased since this situation has reached its boiling point. I realize using booze as a crutch to drown my pain isn't smart or healthy. What I need is a break from the situation, a little breathing room without everyone breathing down my neck about whatever their problems are. I've got my own and I need to solve them before I can help someone else.
 
adamsro said:
1) It's got to be one or the other? Joking aside, nope I still love her. She could hate me with all her heart and she'd still curl my toes
2) I love my wife. I'm not in love with my wife. I don't want to make it work, I want her to find someone else to make her happy. I want her to grow up with someone else, she's young enough now that she can develop new habits and I'll confess I make it easy as shit for her NOT to grow up. I will not be happy with her for the rest of my life. Even if we worked out all the irritancies I could name, the root cause remains. She's not someone I'm in love with, and probably never was. Now that I'm sure I know what love is, I'm not going to be happy unless I find it agin with someone else.
3) Again, it can't be both? The tension and unhappiness with my marriage is exacerbating the situation. The root cause remains. I love her, I loved her the entire time we dated, and I allowed fear and immaturity to ruin the best thing that ever happened to me.

BG, in regard to drinking myself to death. No I don't plan on it, but my drinking has substantially increased since this situation has reached its boiling point. I realize using booze as a crutch to drown my pain isn't smart or healthy. What I need is a break from the situation, a little breathing room without everyone breathing down my neck about whatever their problems are. I've got my own and I need to solve them before I can help someone else.

Well dude, I have to admit, it sure sounds like you've very maturely worked this out already. You may not be able to get back together with Sarah, but it's obvious you have decided you need to end it with your wife.

Can it be both? Sure. I mean, you about summed it up when you said you love your wife but you're not in love with her. I can buy it. I know a few people that I care about, I could even say I love them, but I'm not in love with them. I also know a lot of people who get married thinking they know what love is, only to find out they were wrong.

I'm totally against divorce, it's one of the few times I actually fall in line with the Catholic Church, but I agree there are times when there's just nothing you can do. Sounds to me like the best thing is to let your wife get on with her life while she's still young enough to do so. As shitty as that may sound, that may very well be the best thing you can do for her. :(
 
Much obliged

Yeah, I guess I wanted to hear it from a non-interested party.

Actually talked to her husband (Roy) last night and he told me how he still gets along with her most of the time. Seems to be enough for both of them and that's good enough for me.

Painful though.

So it looks like I'm NC bound after I figure out a way to gently break the news.

Thanks for your input sir, it is greatly appreciated.
 
Good luck dude. While I hate to see any marriage fall apart, at least you're trying to do it gracefully, if that's possible. Keep your chin up and your head out of the bottle. ;)
 
adamsro said:
Yes, I'm all growed up now and done with the asshole behavior and asinine rationalization.

As much as I want something, anything, with "Sarah", there is just too much bad blood and too much bad behavior. Plus, like I said, pretty sure she still thinks I'm an asshole. Oh right, and she's married (dubious quality) to my best friend. To be able to be friends with her, I need to deal with my wife first then my feelings for "Sarah". Otherwise things keep getting all jumbled up.

Yeah, because of the earlier noted behavior the odds of "Sarah", my wife, and I have a deep and stimulating conversation are about nill. The wife doesn't care that much for "Sarah" down deep, and would be crushed to find out that I still have romantic feelings for her. Doesn't help the wife at all and just puts everyone else in a worse situation.

Thanks for the feedback! I want to make sure I challenge all the things I think and see if anyone else finds them even remotely reasonable :)

You know, if you ever really loved her... REALLY loved her... you could never have cheated on her in the first place.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it can't change the fact that you've lost her, and you're probably never going to get her back.

You can spend the next ten years pining for love lost due to your own stupid actions and drinking yourself into an inebriated stupor, or snap out of your funk and realise that while you can never get her back, the whole experience has taught you the value of respect and fidelity.. and that if you're ever lucky enough to find love again, you're now mature enough to recognise it and nurture it... so that next time, it has a fair chance of lasting.

Leave the bitch alone, if it's meant to be it will happen... even if it's years from now. Get on with your life.
 
Eating_Scarlett said:
You know, if you ever really loved her... REALLY loved her... you could never have cheated on her in the first place.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it can't change the fact that you've lost her, and you're probably never going to get her back.

You can spend the next ten years pining for love lost due to your own stupid actions and drinking yourself into an inebriated stupor, or snap out of your funk and realise that while you can never get her back, the whole experience has taught you the value of respect and fidelity.. and that if you're ever lucky enough to find love again, you're now mature enough to recognise it and nurture it... so that next time, it has a fair chance of lasting.

Leave the bitch alone, if it's meant to be it will happen... even if it's years from now. Get on with your life.

Seems to me that's what he said he was going to do. :cool:
 
While I'll confess to being an uncultured Citizen of the US, I'd always thought the phrase was "whinging on about"

next ten years pining for love lost due to your own stupid actions and drinking yourself into an inebriated stupor

I'd given that a lot of thought before the initial post, but decided that death by alcohol would be an awfully stupid thing to have on my headstone.

And yeah, I wanted to hear it from someone else that I wasn't just continuing to fuck things up. After one's made enough poor decisions, he starts to question everything.

Insomuch as leaving the bitch alone? It's kind of what the problem is. I'd love to just turn off any involvement that I have with her. Heck, that's one of the few things in life I'm fantastic at. However, she wants me to be her close personal friend. She still likes aspects of my personality and I'm certain that she enjoys the fact that I won't as much as say "boo" to her without feeling guilty.

In retrospect, she's kinda got the best of all worlds.

1) She's got her husband, whom she loves
2) She's got me on a leash and knows it
3) She's got the knowledge that I know I made the wrong choice years ago and that she is superior to my wife. (That one goes back to before either of them knew me, but is still a running theme)

Must be nice to be in her shoes right about now.

That said, thanks to the kind words of all involved, I'm going to cut her out of my life for a while. This process helped me arrive at that conclusion.

Thx again all
 
adamsro said:
That said, thanks to the kind words of all involved, I'm going to cut her out of my life for a while. This process helped me arrive at that conclusion.

Thx again all
You need to.

I was selfish and a complete dickhead in my first relationship. The first guy I'd ever loved in my entire life left me after two years because he'd had enough of my bullshit.

When I realised what I'd lost, I would have done just about anything to get him back but he didn't want a bar of it, I'd pushed him too far.

So instead of wallowing, I told him -even though he wanted to be my friend- that now I had to look out for myself first, and that in rejecting me as a partner he had to also lose the friend in me; perhaps forever, or at the very least for awhile until I had had enough time to heal.

We went our separate ways and my absence from his life must have affected him because a year later he was in touch with me telling me that he made a HUGE mistake and that he'll never love anyone the way he loved me.

I had just started seeing a new guy and while I will never and could never love him the way I loved my ex, I dont think you should ever go backwards in life.

You and your ex split for a reason. Use the lessons she taught you in that relationship to make your next one better. Don't try and get back with her because it will never be the same, and ruin the romance of what you once had.

YES, she likes the fact that you're still in her life professing undying love. As well as a huge ego boost, she's also using you as security. I think I'm doing the same. While I don't particularly want to get back with my ex and love my current partner to bits, it's nice to know that he regrets his decison and wants me back.

Fuck her off... I wish my ex would do th same with me. While it will hurt her, it's for the best, you definitely DO need to move on with your life and cutting her out of it is the only way that's going to happen.



FUCK ME, did I just write all that? I must be drunk.
 
[rubs eyes]

ES? you feeling all right? is that honest to goodness empathy i'm seeing?

[passes ES a thermometer to check temperature]

:>

ed
 
silverwhisper said:
[rubs eyes]

ES? you feeling all right? is that honest to goodness empathy i'm seeing?

[passes ES a thermometer to check temperature]

:>

ed
I dont know what came over me.
 
clearly, you've not been harshing on jennifer kaye sufficiently of late. :>

ed
 
Eating_Scarlett said:
You need to.

I was selfish and a complete dickhead in my first relationship. The first guy I'd ever loved in my entire life left me after two years because he'd had enough of my bullshit.

When I realised what I'd lost, I would have done just about anything to get him back but he didn't want a bar of it, I'd pushed him too far.

So instead of wallowing, I told him -even though he wanted to be my friend- that now I had to look out for myself first, and that in rejecting me as a partner he had to also lose the friend in me; perhaps forever, or at the very least for awhile until I had had enough time to heal.

We went our separate ways and my absence from his life must have affected him because a year later he was in touch with me telling me that he made a HUGE mistake and that he'll never love anyone the way he loved me.

I had just started seeing a new guy and while I will never and could never love him the way I loved my ex, I dont think you should ever go backwards in life.

You and your ex split for a reason. Use the lessons she taught you in that relationship to make your next one better. Don't try and get back with her because it will never be the same, and ruin the romance of what you once had.

YES, she likes the fact that you're still in her life professing undying love. As well as a huge ego boost, she's also using you as security. I think I'm doing the same. While I don't particularly want to get back with my ex and love my current partner to bits, it's nice to know that he regrets his decison and wants me back.

Fuck her off... I wish my ex would do th same with me. While it will hurt her, it's for the best, you definitely DO need to move on with your life and cutting her out of it is the only way that's going to happen.



FUCK ME, did I just write all that? I must be drunk.

Wow, talk about a contrast to the first post! I think there's actually something to what you said in this one! Interesting observation from someone on the other end of things. :)
 
Ok ES, so let me ask you, as the party of the second part (namely the Sarah role), would you INSIST that losing me as a friend would just be heart breaking?

I'm thinking I'll never really know her motivation for insisting on this incredibly uncomfortable (for me), and borderline bizarre/incestous relationship.

I could really use your insight on the matter. Of everything that's going on, that's one of the things that is tearing me up the most. If it would really hurt her that much for me to walk out of her life for six months then I'd have to reconsider it (I've been enough of an asshole already). But if it's just her being selfish... It makes it substantially easier.

As far as walking out of her life forever? Thought about it a lot and could definitely live with it, IF it didn't mean throwing away a lot of good friends. Six months ought to give me some perspective.

Thanks again to all of you.
 
adamsro said:
Ok ES, so let me ask you, as the party of the second part (namely the Sarah role), would you INSIST that losing me as a friend would just be heart breaking?

I'm thinking I'll never really know her motivation for insisting on this incredibly uncomfortable (for me), and borderline bizarre/incestous relationship.

I could really use your insight on the matter. Of everything that's going on, that's one of the things that is tearing me up the most. If it would really hurt her that much for me to walk out of her life for six months then I'd have to reconsider it (I've been enough of an asshole already). But if it's just her being selfish... It makes it substantially easier.

As far as walking out of her life forever? Thought about it a lot and could definitely live with it, IF it didn't mean throwing away a lot of good friends. Six months ought to give me some perspective.

Thanks again to all of you.

Actually, I think you want to be in contact with her just as much as she wants to be in contact with you. While you know you SHOULD walk away, you're finding excuses not to (in this case, her wanting to remain friends)

The truth is, altruism doesn't exist in humans. Everything we do we do for an ultimately self-serving reason. If you really thought you would be better off without this woman, I'm telling you now you would already be living your life without her. You WANT her in your life. It gives YOU hope, as well as her.

I left the country when my ex broke up with me. I needed the head space and I thought it would be a good opportunity to travel and meet people, distract myself. I gave up my job, my/our friends, my LIFE... and I've made a new one here. I'm going back home soon and I feel completely ready to deal with things I couldn't deal with two years ago.

"Sarah" does want you in her life... but if she were any sort of real friend to you, she would encourage you to do what was best for you, even if that meant losing your friendship for awhile.
 
Insightful.

Yes I want to be in contact with her, I want to spend EVERY waking moment near her that she'll allow. I don't want to walk away from my friendship with her husband. I don't want to walk away from a lot of things.

I'm going to. I set up an apartment tour today, and I'll be quite far away.

Ditto on needing the head space. At least to recharge and put things in perspective.

I'm not sure I'm willing to give up my friends forever. But for six months my job will have no beef with me working remotely. If I can't figure it out after six months, yeah, it'll have to be permanent.

Thanks...
Doesn't make it hurt less, but I don't think much will.
 
Posted for your amusment.


Today was thanksgiving.

I made dinner for her family and mine and managed to survive that. But in the end Roy and Sarah showed up and I ended up running for the local saloon.

So yeah, I'm out of here. Gone like a freight train, gone like yesterday, gone like a soldier in the civil war..

I'm plowed at the moment so excuse the typos and questionable gramatical skills.

Get out, leave me alone, turn it off. Make it stop hurting. Please god, make it stop hurting. I don't want to care, I don't want to love her. I want her to hate me, to never want to see me again. I want the thought of her to turn my stomach, to make me hate her with every fiber in my body. But when I see those soft eyes, so innocent and blue. When I know how rough she's had it and all the assholes (including me) she's had to deal with, it burns. It cuts to the quick to know what I could've given her. It burns me to think that what he's giving her is all she'll get in life.

So what the fuck do I say. Pick me? Choose me? Come back annd I'll make you a princess? Give me your nights and days and you'll never wake but to here my heart beat for you. That no sun will ever set without one man trying to make you happy? That ever smile that plays across your lips is worth a year of my life.

Make me 18 again, give me another shot at getting it right. Take away all the hurt I've dealt. Double all the hurt I've taken. There's enough in me to bleed, don't let my stupidity hurt others. Let me never have met her. I don't want it anymore. I don't want any of it. Just take it.

Because when he's holding you,
Know that it's killing me,
Let my memory be the reason girl
That you can't sleep
And everytime you feel his touch,
I pray to God it's not enough
And that I've touched your heart so deep
Girl, you can't shake me
Cause I love you,
Yes I need you,
Miss me baby.

Right, I've got to get the fuck out of here. Three more months.
 
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