How to lose weight... really?

[EJFan]

oh yeah, if forgot the best part.

Apparently my doctor thinks 1 pot of coffee a day (minus the cup my wife drinks) is too much. Wants me to cut down to 2 cups, or cut the coffee with decaf. Cut it with decaf? Who does he think he is?

i feel ya bro... i love coffee and drink several cups a day.

i like what letterman said about decaf after his bypass surgery... "decaffeinated coffee... it's useless warm brown water"

 

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[midwestyankee]

Yeah, I did need to read that several times.

I really appreciate you sharing your experiences. I think for me its coming to grips with the fact that I'm not as invincible as I once thought I was, and also that I set an expectation before the physical that all the tests, weight, etc. were going to come back better than they did. I had been telling my wife for days that I couldn't wait to find out how low the LDL and weight had dropped.

Interestingly, you mention heredity too. My mother eats like a bird, takes Lipitor and still sometimes has high numbers.

BTW, guess its time to switch to Starbuck's decaf.

Thanks.

Unfortunately, heredity plays a much larger role in this sort of thing than the health-club and proprietary-diet industries would like us to believe.

One of the unfortunate shifts in our culture has been toward a mainstream belief that exercise and diet are morally superior activities. This leads to people judging each other over their weight and fitness. There's no question in my mind that this is an underlying message in many of the health-club and diet product commercials and advertisements.

One caveat if you switch to decaf: once you have rid your system of caffeine, you will have to pay strict attention to the coffee you order. Last winter I got one of those humongous lattés from Starbucks. Either I forgot to say "decaf," or the barrista used the wrong shots but I was awake from Saturday afternoon when I had the latté until early the following Tuesday afternoon. It was not a pretty sight.

 

[houseman]

One of the unfortunate shifts in our culture has been toward a mainstream belief that exercise and diet are morally superior activities. This leads to people judging each other over their weight and fitness. There's no question in my mind that this is an underlying message in many of the health-club and diet product commercials and advertisements.

Morally superior? I don't think so.

But even if it was, what is so wrong about following proper nutrition, workout out and in general, being in decent physical health?

I don't judge people over their weight. What I do judge, however, is when I am at the grocery store and look into a grocery cart to see bags of chips, cookies, ice cream and microwave meals and then look up to see they are my size or bigger with a waistline 8"-20" bigger than mine.

Or, when I hear people who have little money complaining about how expensive it is to eat healthy yet I see them in the McDonalds or Subway ordering up a storm on food that will fill them up for one meal and cost $8-$12 but could have went to the grocery store and bough a roasted chicken, frozen (or fresh, but I'm going with the convenience factor here) veggies for the same price but would have lasted 3 meals.

That's what I judge.

 

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[midwestyankee]

Morally superior? I don't think so.

But even if it was, what is so wrong about following proper nutrition, workout out and in general, being in decent physical health?

I don't judge people over their weight. What I do judge, however, is when I am at the grocery store and look into a grocery cart to see bags of chips, cookies, ice cream and microwave meals and then look up to see they are my size or bigger with a waistline 8"-20" bigger than mine.

Or, when I hear people who have little money complaining about how expensive it is to eat healthy yet I see them in the McDonalds or Subway ordering up a storm on food that will fill them up for one meal and cost $8-$12 but could have went to the grocery store and bough a roasted chicken, frozen (or fresh, but I'm going with the convenience factor here) veggies for the same price but would have lasted 3 meals.

That's what I judge.

Actually, your answers seem to support my point in that you are judging people who are overweight according to the choices they make -- and that's a moral judgment in its largest sense. What I mean is this: morality is a matter of making choices that are supported by the society at large. So if we judge people on their actions, then we are judging them from a moral standpoint.

 

[EJFan]

Morally superior? I don't think so.

But even if it was, what is so wrong about following proper nutrition, workout out and in general, being in decent physical health?

I don't judge people over their weight. What I do judge, however, is when I am at the grocery store and look into a grocery cart to see bags of chips, cookies, ice cream and microwave meals and then look up to see they are my size or bigger with a waistline 8"-20" bigger than mine.

Or, when I hear people who have little money complaining about how expensive it is to eat healthy yet I see them in the McDonalds or Subway ordering up a storm on food that will fill them up for one meal and cost $8-$12 but could have went to the grocery store and bough a roasted chicken, frozen (or fresh, but I'm going with the convenience factor here) veggies for the same price but would have lasted 3 meals.

That's what I judge.

AMEN!

*bows at the feet of houseman*

 

[houseman]

Actually, your answers seem to support my point in that you are judging people who are overweight according to the choices they make -- and that's a moral judgment in its largest sense. What I mean is this: morality is a matter of making choices that are supported by the society at large.

I am not judging them for being over weight. Fat or skinny. I don't give a rats ass.

Fact of the matter is, most people are over weight by choice more than they are not (health reasons effect their weight or inability to exercise or both). Eventually, this excess weight leads to health issues which then leads to my taxes paying for their health issues that could have been prevents or controled if they learned a little self control at some point in life.

This also applies to smokers.

I should not have to pay for those that willfully and KNOWINGLY fuck up their life.

So if we judge people on their actions, then we are judging them from a moral standpoint.

I judge people for drinkinf and driving then getting in an accident and killing someone.

Is that wrong too?

 

[midwestyankee]

I am not judging them for being over weight. Fat or skinny. I don't give a rats ass.

Fact of the matter is, most people are over weight by choice more than they are not (health reasons effect their weight or inability to exercise or both). Eventually, this excess weight leads to health issues which then leads to my taxes paying for their health issues that could have been prevents or controled if they learned a little self control at some point in life.

This also applies to smokers.

I should not have to pay for those that willfully and KNOWINGLY fuck up their life.



I judge people for drinkinf and driving then getting in an accident and killing someone.

Is that wrong too?

Not at all. I tend to agree that most people are out of shape, overweight, and generally unhealthy as much by choice as anything else. However, this is not always the case and our society seems to take this judgment to an extreme. It leads to discrimination in hiring, for example, and in other things as well. Even people for whom overweight is a function of a hormonal imbalance, there is a tendency to hold them in judgment.

A case in point: I have a good friend who is roughly 75 pounds overweight due to a problem with his thyroid that can't quite be fixed with medication. He works out a few days a week and can beat the pants off most people in set after set of tennis. He's fit and healthy but I've heard numerous people in our circle of acquaintances comment that it's too bad he doesn't have the self-control to get his weight in check.

To hold someone in judgment because they lack self-control is a moral judgment, one that would never have been made 50 years ago when weight and fitness were seen differently by our society.

This, by the way, is similar to the attitude that all poor people are that way by choice and that they should just pick themselves up by their bootstraps. Sorry, but that just isn't feasible for most of them and it's repugnant to act as if they can.

 

[therockap1]

only eat when your hungry. Don't go for seconds and thirds, cut down on the junk food, and work out

 

[UwantMe]

The one diet that I am doing right now and it is working is the green tea diet...
It is VERY simple all you have to do it drink one cup of green tea a day (It must be brewed it cant be Arizona or Sobe) for 6 weeks and you loose 10 lbs...


Another diet that my parents were on and it seemed to work very well for them was the South Beach Diet. I would go on the south beach diet but I only want to loose a few vanity pounds ( hell, I am 5'3 and 125 most people would say that I dont need to loose anything at all) and with this diet you can loose alot of weight and I dont want to loose that much...

 

[EJFan]

fad diets don't work.... that includes south beach, green tea, et al.

know what food does to your body, think about your goals and eat accordingly.

 

[houseman]

A case in point: I have a good friend who is roughly 75 pounds overweight due to a problem with his thyroid that can't quite be fixed with medication. He works out a few days a week and can beat the pants off most people in set after set of tennis. He's fit and healthy but I've heard numerous people in our circle of acquaintances comment that it's too bad he doesn't have the self-control to get his weight in check.

I've already mentioned people with medical conditions.

I've already said I don't judge a person based on theri weight.

But, I said, when I see the shopping cart full of fattening, mega caloric foods or at the Mickie D's... then they get the judgement that they deserve.

No different with the people I know who have diabetes, on insulin, yet will have no problem slamming a chocolate bar or two or getting an ice cream cone on a regular basis by the justiufication that "this little thing won't hurt me". They deserve the judgement I have of them

 

[houseman]

fad diets don't work.... that includes south beach, green tea, et al.

know what food does to your body, think about your goals and eat accordingly.

Couldn't agree more.

Eat to live.

 

[Pyro Paul]

how to lose 40 lbs in less than 2 months!

Try it Now, Now Now Now!

the Meat Diet!
the newest craze among the nation! extreamly Simple! super Effective!

simply ingest any cooked meat products, And only any meat products for 2 months! Also! Drink Nothing But Beer! thats right my friends Beer! when your Hungry! swig a few back!

Shed Pounds in Months! get back to your Old shape in No time! iT wOrks!



oddly enough yes it does work, but for not any of the good reasons. basicly the meet provides protien so your mucles still can sustain life, other than that you are directly starving the body of any other thing, the beer slows the sensory preception making you not feel hungry, those 2 things help burn fat because in order to survive your body will use the reserve fat deposits to provide energy for all other functions of the body.

so, This is a very very very unhealth choice to make but it also works. and since the question is how to really lose weight... this is a way

 

[Lynxie]

how to lose 40 lbs in less than 2 months!

Try it Now, Now Now Now!

the Meat Diet!
the newest craze among the nation! extreamly Simple! super Effective!

simply ingest any cooked meat products, And only any meat products for 2 months! Also! Drink Nothing But Beer! thats right my friends Beer! when your Hungry! swig a few back!

Shed Pounds in Months! get back to your Old shape in No time! iT wOrks!



oddly enough yes it does work, but for not any of the good reasons. basicly the meet provides protien so your mucles still can sustain life, other than that you are directly starving the body of any other thing, the beer slows the sensory preception making you not feel hungry, those 2 things help burn fat because in order to survive your body will use the reserve fat deposits to provide energy for all other functions of the body.

so, This is a very very very unhealth choice to make but it also works. and since the question is how to really lose weight... this is a way

It wouldn't work for me. I get the munchies like you wouldn't believe when I consume alcohol. Protein just wouldn't cut it... the beer would encourage me to eat pizza, chips, and ice cream, undoubtably.

 

[Eilan]

So if I did the meat and beer diet I'd be my semi-svelte pre-baby self, but I'd be too drunk to enjoy it.

There's always a catch.

 

[EJFan]

So if I did the meat and beer diet I'd be my semi-svelte pre-baby self, but I'd be too drunk to enjoy it.

There's always a catch.

maybe. but you're NEVER too drunk for OTHERS to enjoy.

 

[Eilan]

maybe. but you're NEVER too drunk for OTHERS to enjoy.

My husband read this post and said exactly the same thing. Scary.

 

[EJFan]

My husband read this post and said exactly the same thing. Scary.

fact of the matter is, i live in a small den just behind and inside his left ear.

 

[Eilan]

fact of the matter is, i live in a small den just behind and inside his left ear.

I suspected as much. *nods*

So, to get this thread back on track, I'm not going to go back on a diet (I SO hate that word), but this coming week I AM going to get back into the healthy eating habits and exercise that I let slide while the kiddies were on summer break. I know I'll feel less like a slug once I do.

Besides, it's a shame to let that YMCA membership go to waste.

 

[EJFan]

I suspected as much. *nods*

So, to get this thread back on track, I'm not going to go back on a diet (I SO hate that word), but this coming week I AM going to get back into the healthy eating habits and exercise that I let slide while the kiddies were on summer break. I know I'll feel less like a slug once I do.

Besides, it's a shame to let that YMCA membership go to waste.

awesome! i hope you enjoy it... i don't know about anyone else but "healthy" food tastes really great to me. it doesn't have to be anything extravagant or off the wall... just regular food that's made well has a really incredible taste that's so much better than the plastic tasting pre-made crap we tend to eat when we're not thinking or in a hurry.

 

[Eilan]

awesome! i hope you enjoy it... i don't know about anyone else but "healthy" food tastes really great to me. it doesn't have to be anything extravagant or off the wall... just regular food that's made well has a really incredible taste that's so much better than the plastic tasting pre-made crap we tend to eat when we're not thinking or in a hurry.

It means I'll probably be trying to cut back on my chicken-rice-curry yummy stuff that I'm always fixing way too late at night. At least for a few weeks. And I'm sure I'll piss and moan, but I'll enjoy the results.

I agree with you about the taste of "healthy" food. I feel better when I'm eating right, and I was doing so well until recently. Guess it goes to show that knowing what to do and actually doing it are separate issues.

I have a few fitness goals that I'd like to achieve. I achieved some of them in the past in a less than healthy way. Here's hoping I can pull my head out of my ass!

 

[Matadore]

I have always tried to keep an eye on my weight and muscle tone. Then about 6 mo ago a Doc gave me a drug and I began to gain weight. Ive packed on 30 lb! I feel like a beached whale! In fact, I was sleeping on the beach last week and some kids threw a bucket of water over me and screamed "Greenpeace" while they tried to roll me into the surf!