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DO YOU PLACE YOUR FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN?

  • YES

    Votes: 8 9.2%

  • NO

    Votes: 44 50.6%

  • I ALREADY PLACED MY FAITH IN CHRIST AND HIS SACRIFICE

    Votes: 22 25.3%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 13 14.9%
  • Total voters
    87
Jesus said that the fire is eternal, not the hands. Hands will only burn a half hour tops.
 
Tryharder62 said:
Long Answer:

Genealogies in the bible only list men. :eek: Seth, Cain and Abel were mentioned because their stories would be significant. But it does say:

Genesis 5:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters

Love in the Garden would have been a perfect love. I don't think we can begin to understand how perfect relationships could have been. We would have been perfect in mind, body and soul. Once humans left the garden and society began - genetic things occurred. Life spans became shorter. Mutations began. At a certain point God did forbid incest. Leviticus 8:8-18 shows some forbidden relationships. I won't post the whole thing here.

Short answer:

Cain did his sister - or a close relation.:eek:
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How can there be a close relation except siblings? Cain was Adam and Eve's son. So while the male perspective narrative of Genesis doesn't specifically mention Eve's daughter Awan ( his sister and future wife), it is implied there were other children in Genesis 5:4.

So given this link:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5772775/

Something must be wrong with the narrative of Genesis, else we are all related, and interbred through human history. Which Genetics clearly shows we are not.
 
Fuzzy1975 said:
How can there be a close relation except siblings? Cain was Adam and Eve's son. So while the male perspective narrative of Genesis doesn't specifically mention Eve's daughter Awan ( his sister and future wife), it is implied there were other children in Genesis 5:4.

So given this link:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5772775/

Something must be wrong with the narrative of Genesis, else we are all related, and interbred through human history. Which Genetics clearly shows we are not.
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Tryharder62 posted, “Once humans left the garden and society began - genetic things occurred.” Rather, once humans were banished on threat of violence from an armed security guard, genetics became a thing, and not before, conveniently.
 
phrodeau said:
Tryharder62 posted, “Once humans left the garden and society began - genetic things occurred.” Rather, once humans were banished on threat of violence from an armed security guard, genetics became a thing, and not before, conveniently.
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Genetics clearly shows human's trace their roots back further in history than Biblical times.
 
Fuzzy1975 said:
How can there be a close relation except siblings? Cain was Adam and Eve's son. So while the male perspective narrative of Genesis doesn't specifically mention Eve's daughter Awan ( his sister and future wife), it is implied there were other children in Genesis 5:4.

So given this link:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5772775/

Something must be wrong with the narrative of Genesis, else we are all related, and interbred through human history. Which Genetics clearly shows we are not.
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Fuzzy1975 said:
Genetics clearly shows human's trace their roots back further in history than Biblical times.
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I do think it is Cain's sister. All I am suggesting is that there might be other possibilities because:

Genesis 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died. 800 years is a long time to be having kids. More than enough time to have other familial possibilities.

The part of your quotes I put in bold seem to contradict each other. Biblical times is basically from the very beginning in Genesis to what will come in Revelation. If you and I were to sit down and completely trace our roots, both would lead to Adam and Eve. We are family.:cool:
 
phrodeau said:
Tryharder62 posted, “Once humans left the garden and society began - genetic things occurred.” Rather, once humans were banished on threat of violence from an armed security guard, genetics became a thing, and not before, conveniently.
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I sense some hostility. It isn't convenient, it's a shame. There would not have been death and disease in the garden, because everything was perfect (including genetics).
 
Tryharder62 said:
I sense some hostility. It isn't convenient, it's a shame. There would not have been death and disease in the garden, because everything was perfect (including genetics).
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They were given the fruits of the garden to eat. Eating fruit is death, to the fruit.
 
FisherAmen said:
Fruit is not a Living being. It is something that trees use to reproduce themselves. They reward you for spreading their seeds with food. The tree is the life.
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I’ll remember that when you enter a discussion about abortion.
 
FisherAmen said:
...And seeing that the Holy Scriptures are God's Word, we can rest on it being the Truth.
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Deuteronomy 7:13 - And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

Psalms 127:3 - Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Isaiah 13:18 - Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.

Need any more?
 
FisherAmen said:
I KNEW that was coming. The FRUIT of thy womb isn't referring to an apple or an orange, it is referring to a human baby and God also Commanded under law that if a man killed a baby inside the womb that the man was to be punished by being killed.


Ex 21:22 ¶ If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations

Babies in the womb are just as human as people who are born.
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Fruit is not a living being. Post 1231.
 
FisherAmen said:
It has as much human DNA as you do, therefore it is a complete human.
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Funny, if a Zygote was born as it is, it would not be a viable human. So how can it be a complete human?

That is kind of like saying "I have some apple seeds, there fore I have apples.
(Keeping with the theme of Garden of Eden)
 
Fuzzy1975 said:
Funny, if a Zygote was born as it is, it would not be a viable human. So how can it be a complete human?

That is kind of like saying "I have some apple seeds, there fore I have apples.
(Keeping with the theme of Garden of Eden)
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Apples to humans. Viable to what degree? Humans become more viable as they grow older. :)
 
phrodeau said:
The Immaculate Conception was a fucking miracle, too.
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Considering the Star of Bethlehem was an alien spacecraft sent from millions of light year away to impregnate a human female with a fertility raygun. Yeah. Pretty fucking miraculous. :)
 
Saint_Ann said:
Considering the Star of Bethlehem was an alien spacecraft sent from millions of light year away to impregnate a human female with a fertility raygun. Yeah. Pretty fucking miraculous. :)
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You’re confused. It was Joachim and Anna who had the fucking miracle.
 
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