How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Tryharder62]

My deepest sympathies.

Thank You! Hope you are doing well!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I am so sorry about your friend. Praying right now for his family.

I agree that the more we learn about the Bible, the more we realize that there is a lot more to learn.

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"Those who believe that the Bible is the Word of God and as such is the infallible source of the history of humanity and God’s will need to be more clear. Which Bible? Do they refer to the ancient scrolls containing the scriptures which would have been read by Jesus and his followers? Do they refer to the Bible as it was decided by the early Christian Church, which became the Roman Catholic Church? Do they refer to the version ordered by King James, which differs somewhat from other versions? One thing is sure, they believe whichever version of the Bible which suits their other beliefs, usually with very little knowledge of how whichever translation they prefer came into being"


https://historycollection.co/10-ancient-religious-texts-not-included-in-the-bible/

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Thank You! Hope you are doing well!

I'm doing quite well thanks, and I trust you and your are too!!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Which Bible? There is only one Bible. The Bible wasn't written in English. Yes obviously I am referring to the original texts. The Biblical books that were confirmed by the early Church were already accepted as inspired by God for the most part. The main criteria is that they had to be written by an Apostle, the only exceptions were James and Jude who were half brothers of Jesus. King James version is merely a T R A N S L A T I O N of the Bible into english, so it's not a different Bible. These other "versions" you speak of are merely translations from the same languages and there are a few early copies of the originals that they were translated from. There is debate about which of these manuscripts are better. The reason is that the Textus Receptus, which is the greek translation that that the KJV has a couple of minor differences with the Mesoretic texts which some of the new translations are from.

For you to say that "They believe whatever version of the Bible suit's their beliefs" is false. You might say that certain religions like Jehovah's Witnesses use twisted translations to suit their beliefs but they are purposely changing the texts through translation. Although, every translation is going to contain a certain amount of translation error, it doesn't intentionally change doctrine, or we hope so, like the faulty JW twisted version.

I didn't say anything, I quoted the site.

Perhaps you should go there and read for yourself. The current bibles do not contain all the texts, the one you use ( doesn't matter which) does not contain all the text.

Over the eons many texts were drop out, for example the book of Jubiliees

"The Book of Jubilees tells the history of humanity, dividing it in 49 year divisions which are called jubilees, as dictated to Moses on Mount Sinai. It provides greater detail than Genesis, filling in the gaps as it were, and as such answers many questions often asked today.

Or

The Shepherd of Hermas was written around the turn of the first century, perhaps as late as the middle of the second century.The book contains references to the Gospel of John, and some scholars believe its writer to have been familiar with all four of the Gospels, as well as several of Paul’s epistles.

The book was cited as an authoritative text for many years, including by some early popes prior to it being determined to be, in the words of Tertullian, “…judged by every Council of the Churches…among the apocryphal and false.” Despite the books exclusion from the Biblical Canon it remained popular among early Christians and was still being copied in Western Europe as late as the Middle Ages, though its use in the eastern Church seems to have fallen out of favor.

As with many other early Christian texts it was formally excluded because of the book’s evident conflicts with the results of the Council of Nicaea.

Prior to its falling in disfavor it had been listed in the New Testament between the Acts of the Apostles and the Acts of Paul, another book no longer contained in the Christian Bible."

So that is just an example of the almost 50 "texts, books or writings" that have at one time or the other been associated with any or all of today's version of the bible.....

 

[Tryharder62]

I am so sorry about your friend. Praying right now for his family.

I agree that the more we learn about the Bible, the more we realize that there is a lot more to learn.

I would have said the same thing as you a few years ago, until I learned to separate the books of Paul from the rest of the bible. It all fits now unlike before. There aren't 2 Gospels at this time. There is only 1. There was the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Christ preached unto the JEWS only. When the Jews rejected Christ as Messiah, God called Paul out to preach the Gospel of Grace unto the Gentiles. This is just a pause in God's timeline until the rapture. At that time, the Gospel of the Kingdom will be re instated until the return of Christ.

I am saying that they will be under the Kingdom Gospel during the Tribulation where they will be under the Kingdom Gospel and will have to accept the Messiah Jesus Christ because primarily Jews will be saved during this time, just as primarily Gentiles are saved during this Grace period. I could be wrong, but that's what I think. If you read the books after Hebrews, they are written to Jews and the program is different from Paul's writings. Paul preached the Gospel of Grace unto the Gentiles, Peter and the 12 preached the Gospel of the kingdom unto the Jews only.

Ga 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

We were taught what you believe, but it doesn't line up with Scripture. Paul NEVER learned his teachings from the 12. He learned them from the Ascended Christ:

Ga 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: 17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. 18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Yes, I tend to believe that they will be back under the law system, which is why the Temple is rebuilt during this time. Primarily Jews will be saved during this time just like the time that Christ was rejected.

The KJV is a great version, but it's not the only one that I accept. I do believe that we are to rightly divide the Word of Truth, but that's not the only verse that speaks of that. 2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. We are to compare Scripture with Scripture.

Question: You do believe that we are still under the Law? I do not. We are under Grace because God's program has changed for now. There is a 2000 year pause in God's program, but it will be resumed right after the Rapture for the last 7 years and then Christ will return physically to the earth.

I believe in immersion. I didn't intentionally pass over any question. I don't believe that sprinkling is Biblical, but Baptism is not part of salvation. I grew up in the Baptist Church and now belong to a Southern Baptist Church, but I don't like to box myself into denominations. Les Feldick also grew up Baptist but not all Baptists would agree with the mid acts theology that he teaches.

Infant Baptism is not Biblical and doesn't do anything but get the baby wet. Age of accountability is debatable. I tend to believe that there is one, but I can't prove it 100%. There are verses that indicate this to be the case.

I know you wouldn't skip a question. I just wrote it awkward to try to be funny and thought you may not have gotten my attempt. I am actually a baptism by immersion as well. However, I have had both. I was raised Catholic. My parents went through school until graduation at a Catholic school connected with their church. I went through until 1st communion which is about the age of 7 or 8. My parents church got very big and because of that the diocese drew a map of the area around the church. People were told to go to a certain church closer to their home. My parents never quite meshed with the new church and we became Easter and Christmas Catholics. Years later my parents went back to their original church. I was really surprised that they accepted me getting married in the non-Catholic church I would first go to with my husband.

Here are my thoughts. I have been thinking about your point of view. I am not arguing. I am not that familiar with that way of thinking. I think it is one gospel as well but they started the message with the Jews and then continued it with the gentiles so everyone could be saved. I do not think there are two gospels. It sounds to me like you are saying that God wasn't aware the Jews would deny Jesus so he came up with this temporary plan. There is no pause. His plan was always the message of Jesus and salvation for everyone. I can't understand why God would put people back under the law in the tribulation and still try to get them to accept Jesus. It would be saying that what Jesus did on the cross wasn't enough. He actually fulfilled the law.

You mentioned Galatians 2:7 New International Version (NIV) by Paul.
7 On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised. The gospel was the same but Peter was entrusted with teaching the Jews that who they had been prophesying about and waiting for was here. They could watch the events that they had waited for fulfilled. After Jesus died and was resurrected Paul was entrusted to continue the message to the Gentiles so everyone could be saved through Jesus.

You quoted:
Ga 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: 17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. 18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. The gospel had not been preached to the gentiles before so I think he spent the three years learning from God the best way to present it. It's like in a church. The message is the same but some take specific study to reach youth - others might take it to reach seniors.

I am enjoying exploring this topic

 

[Tryharder62]

Obviously, the KJV and NIV vary in their wording to the point where they are saying two completely different things. That is a major problem with translations because a person's interpretation many times goes into the translation rather than a word for word translation.

Personally I don't like the NIV translation. When you compare all of these translations, they overwhelmingly agree that Peter was preaching a Gospel to the Jews and Paul was Preaching a Gospel to the Gentiles.

Ga 2:7 (MNT) On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel for the uncircumcised, just as Peter has with the gospel for the circumcised
Ga 2:7 (WEB) but to the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the Good News for the uncircumcision, even as Peter with the Good News for the circumcision
Ga 2:7 (YLT) but, on the contrary, having seen that I have been entrusted with the good news of the uncircumcision, as Peter with [that] of the circumcision,
Ga 2:7 (BBE) But, quite the opposite, when they saw that I had been made responsible for preaching the good news to those without circumcision, even as Peter had been for those of the circumcision
Ga 2:7 (TCNT) On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted with the Good News for the Gentiles, just as Peter had been for the Jews.
Ga 2:7 (KJV) But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;
Ga 2:7 (SRV18) Ántes por el contrario, como vieron que el evangelio de la incircuncisión me había sido dado, como a Pedro [el] de la circuncisión,
Ga 2:7 (MKJV) But on the contrary, seeing that I have been entrusted [with] the gospel of the uncircumcision, as Peter to the circumcision;
Ga 2:7 (WNT) Indeed, when they saw that I was entrusted with the preaching of the Good News to the Gentiles as Peter had been with that to the Jews--
Ga 2:7 (ASV) but contrariwise, when they saw that I had been intrusted with the gospel of the uncircumcision, even as Peter with [the gospel] of the circumcision
Ga 2:7 (DBY) but, on the contrary, seeing that the glad tidings of the uncircumcision were confided to me, even as to Peter that of the circumcision,
Ga 2:7 (NKJV) But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as [the gospel] for the circumcised [was] to Peter
Ga 2:7 (RSV) but on the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised

All of the Bible was written to the Jews and the promises contained in those Scriptures are to the Jew only. The promises contained in the Grace Writings of Paul, are to the Body of Christ, those under Grace only.

The Jews are promised earthly blessings because they are an earthly people.
The Body of Christ is promised heavenly blessings because they are a heavenly people.

The Jew prosper financially because God promised that to them.
The Christians under Grace are not promised these blessings.

The Jews are promised Israel as an inheritance.
The Christians under Grace are promised the New Jerusalem, a Heavenly City that shall ascend down and hover over the earth.

The Jews will be Kings and Priests, they shall minister to the Nations
The Christians under Grace will rule and reign with Christ over all of creation.

The Jews are the wife of Jehovah
The Christians under Grace are the Bride of Christ

The Jews will go through the Tribulation period
The Christians under Grace will be raptured and spared the Great Tribuation which will start immedately after the rapture.

The Jews are referred to as Sheep
The Christians under Grace are referred to as the Bride of Christ. Paul's writings never refer to them as sheep.

You should really listen to Les Feldick and see if everything he teaches lines up with Scripture and if you can prove scripturally that he is wrong, then don't believe it, but if you can't, then...Personally, everything he teaches lines up with the Bible. I don't agree with him on every thing, but his main doctrine I cannot refute.

I believe that the reason that God took Paul away from the Disciples to teach him for 3 years is because he had to get the Judaism out of him and drive in the Doctrines of Grace that he gives in his epistles. Peter couldn't understand Grace, but he admitted that they were the way of Salvation and that many people twist them to their own doom (because they get the Gospel wrong):

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

You said:
I believe that the reason that God took Paul away from the Disciples to teach him for 3 years is because he had to get the Judaism out of him and drive in the Doctrines of Grace that he gives in his epistles. Peter couldn't understand Grace, but he admitted that they were the way of Salvation and that many people twist them to their own doom (because they get the Gospel wrong):

That is basically what I said. Paul had to learn more so that he could present it to the gentiles who had never heard any of it. I don't think God had to get the Judaism out of him. I think they had to build on his knowledge to be able to carry the message forward. That is why God couldn't sent Peter because he never understood grace although he knew it was the way to salvation.

To me, the verse you quoted in all those translations doesn't mean different things. I don't deny that he had different promises/rewards for the Jews and the gentiles but the message of salvation through Jesus was always the same.

I don't know if you have used the Bible gateway app. It is very nice. You can plug in a verse and you can have it in all the translations. It even has the Catholic so I can try to figure out what my Catholic friends are trying to say. Wish I could read Greek and Hebrew.

What was your point in quoting 2 Peter 3:16? I simply think it means that some of Paul's writings may be difficult to understand. Some people won't study it and will spew falsehoods. Those things that were prophesied and those spoken about by the apostles happened and could be trusted. We need to take the time to study it while some people won't bother and will generate false teachings. (I really hope you aren't insinuating that I am talking false doctine)

I did take a look at a couple of Les Feldick's messages. It is not for me but I have enjoyed working through some of this. I am glad you find some comfort there. I listen to some speakers as well. I like Mark Jobe, Dr.Michael Rydelnik, and of course my pastor. I like to listen to Moody Radio.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Pertaining to Les Feldick, if you can show me through the Bible where he is wrong, I will believe it. I can't find fault in his doctrine and he is the most knowledgeable person I have ever been taught by. He isn't charismatic, but that's not what's important.

Reasons Les Feldick has been called a heretic include his statements that contradict the Bible and his supposed incorrect interpretations of Biblical events. Feldick's controversial teachings include that God flooded the earth twice, that Adam fell from fear of losing Eve, and that repentance isn't necessary for salvation.

Just saying....

Not to mention, the bible is a collection of cherry picked portions, and not what could be considered a historical record.

 

[Tryharder62]

You said that God couldn't get the Judaism out of Paul, but that's exactly what we see in his message of Grace. We are no longer under the law, but under Grace. Salvation is by grace through faith alone without works. That is the antithesis of Law. Law is getting to God through faith and works. Grace is getting to God through faith and then the result is works.

I am not saying that the verse means different things. I am saying that I don't think that the NIV translation is correct.

What I mean by 2 Peter 3:16 is that Peter couldn't understand grace because he was still teaching Judaism Law plus faith in Christ. You never see the law abolished in any writings other than Pauls. It was kind of a transitional period where they both went on at the same time, but then Paul's Gospel of grace took over because Israel rejected Christ. Grace is just a pause in God's program because of their rejection. Once the rapture happens, The Kingdom Gospel will once again be preached. Repent! Repent! For the Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand! They were to Repent of their unbelief in Christ and their sins and embrace their Messiah, Jesus Christ for salvation. But they were NEVER told to stop observing the law. You see this in the Gospels when Christ deals with people.


Mr 10:17 ¶ And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. 22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.


Nothing I said was directed at you personally. I am just telling you what I have learned.

Pertaining to Les Feldick, if you can show me through the Bible where he is wrong, I will believe it. I can't find fault in his doctrine and he is the most knowledgeable person I have ever been taught by. He isn't charismatic, but that's not what's important.

So you are saying that God had to make the alternative plan (pause) because he didn't know this would happen. No. This was the plan all along. That all people could get closer to God through Jesus.

I don't understand what you are trying to point out in Mark 10:17. There were three types of law in the old testament. Civil law-the system of law concerned with private relations between members of a community rather than criminal, military, or religious affairs. Ceremomial law - law prescribing the ceremonies of religion (as those of the Jewish religion contained in the Old Testament) and Moral Law a principle defining the criteria of right action (whether conceived as a divine ordinance or a truth of reason). Civil law continued because it had nothing to do with religion. It was a new day and a new dawn in regards to ceremonial law which Jews had to follow in the Old Testament. The ceremonies of the time did not need to be continued. However, God's moral law has never changed. That is why it is repeated again in the New Testament because it was important. It is important for the Jews as well as the gentiles. The ceremonial law was what Jews had to do to be close to God. Jesus was the fulfillment of those. Now people can get close to God though Jesus Christ. The problem with the guy in the verse is that we are to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind. This rich man loved money first, not God.

Interestingly I talked with my husband about this. He is much better at understanding Revelation than I am. He enjoys it. I will just put his 2 cents worth here. He said in the tribulation the problem will be that there is no law whatsoever. No civil, ceremonial or moral law. That is why it is so terrible. There is nothing to keep people from chaos so that is why they turn to the Anti-Christ.

I don't know enough about Les Feldik to have an opinion on whether someone should listen to him or not.

 

[phrodeau]

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jim...risis-help-us-see-as-clearly-as-the-blind-man

I am convinced that God is speaking to the world this Easter in the midst of the coronavirus crisis. I don't believe He caused the pandemic - but He's allowed it - and He's using it to accomplish His purposes.

Through all the strife and strain, God is inviting us to take inventory of what's really important. In His graciousness, He's providing us with an opportunity to become reacquainted with our families. The rollback of our freedoms is fostering a newfound appreciation of the luxuries of normal, everyday living.

From Jim Daly on this Easter morning, some words of idiocy.

 

[Conager]

What do your Gods of anthropogenic "Climate Change" say about why they visited the iniquities of this world with a pandemic?

Surely, as with all other challenges the world faces it comes down to .miniscule changes in weather, right?

 

[phrodeau]

What do your Gods of anthropogenic "Climate Change" say about why they visited the iniquities of this world with a pandemic?

Surely, as with all other challenges the world faces it comes down to .miniscule changes in weather, right?

Gods don’t exist, kneebiter.

Now go hunt a sanitized egg.

 

[Conager]

-says the boards most religious zealot.^

 

[Tryharder62]

What do your Gods of anthropogenic "Climate Change" say about why they visited the iniquities of this world with a pandemic?

Surely, as with all other challenges the world faces it comes down to .miniscule changes in weather, right?

Is this in code?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Please give examples.

I gave two, both of which are disputed by other Theologian's, I am not here to argue for or against something I don't prescribe to.

The Bible is not cherry picked. That's not true at all. All the Council of Nicea did was to confirm the books of the Bible that everyone already knew were inspired. There were a few disputed books, but most of them were not in dispute.

Feel free to think as you wish, chuckles,

Gospel of Mary anyone...

"Esther A. de Boer compares her role in other non-canonical texts, noting that "in the Gospel of Mary it is Peter who is opposed to Mary’s words, because she is a woman."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Is this in code?

He got caught up in his Thesaurus again, and as such all meaning gets lost...

 

[Tryharder62]

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[Tryharder62]

Emoticons not working?

You not talking anymore? Emoticons seem fine.

 

[JamieJ424]

The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease.

It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored.

In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
-Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life

 

[Tryharder62]

In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
-Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life

1 Corinthians 3:18, NIV: "Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become 'fools' so that you may become wise."

God, The Bible: The Christian View of Life.

Specifically, Paul warns of the danger of wanting to be wise "in this age" or wise by the standards of the world in any given era. As he taught earlier, the wisdom of the world is limited to what can be observed with human senses and what can be worked out based on those observations. What about what can't be observed?

 

[Tryharder62]

I'm still talking. What's up?

I thought you had two different conversations going - one with fuzzy and one with me. Just hadn't seen any responses from you. Hope all is well.

I am bored.

 

[colddiesel]

Specifically, Paul warns of the danger of wanting to be wise "in this age" or wise by the standards of the world in any given era. As he taught earlier, the wisdom of the world is limited to what can be observed with human senses and what can be worked out based on those observations. What about what can't be observed?

Paul's only concern was that every body else's opinion should be subject to his. His stupendous arrogance was the foundation stone of priestly dominance (of all denominations) for the next 2000 years. Paul was an asshole who totally perverted the Jewish reform movement of Yeshua ben Joseph.

The people that followed Paul were even worse. Compare Paul's praise of Prisca as a leader with that of the male supremacists who followed in writing the later books.

 

[Tryharder62]

Paul's only concern was that every body else's opinion should be subject to his. His stupendous arrogance was the foundation stone of priestly dominance (of all denominations) for the next 2000 years. Paul was an asshole who totally perverted the Jewish reform movement of Yeshua ben Joseph.

The people that followed Paul were even worse. Compare Paul's praise of Prisca as a leader with that of the male supremacists who followed in writing the later books.

What point are you trying to make when you suggest that I compare Paul's praise of Prisca with that of male supremacists? This is not a debate question, I am just unclear? I am not getting your train of thought here and would like to.

 

[LLCox]

Heaven and hell are right here right now. Dead is dead and that is all there is.

 

[Stewart_Pidd]

Heaven and hell are right here right now. Dead is dead and that is all there is.

Agreed.

On the evangelical concept of hell, does anyone really think that Jesus, the guy who supposedly preached forgiveness, would agree to sending ANYONE to eternal damnation? It flies in the face of what he stood for. And besides, eternal damnation is still eternal life, is it not bros? Those two points make the concept of hell a fallacy.

Like LLCox said, dead is dead.

Stew

 

[Tryharder62]

Heaven and hell are right here right now. Dead is dead and that is all there is.

Agreed.

On the evangelical concept of hell, does anyone really think that Jesus, the guy who supposedly preached forgiveness, would agree to sending ANYONE to eternal damnation? It flies in the face of what he stood for. And besides, eternal damnation is still eternal life, is it not bros? Those two points make the concept of hell a fallacy.

Like LLCox said, dead is dead.

Stew

Well I certainly think that we are seeing pieces of heaven and hell on earth. What it might be like. Jesus definitely taught forgiveness. He gave his life so that we could have it. He invited all of us to have it through him.

In the end people will get what they want. If they believe and want to fellowship with God for eternity they will. If they don't then they won't have to. For myself, I think that being without God would be Hell! I don't think where God "isn't" wouldn't be a very great place to be. Descriptions don't sound that great.

Thinking about Eternal Damnation vs Eternal Life with God I always remember a bumper sticker my husband had up in his office.
https://decalboy.com/Decals/ETERNITYSMOKING.gif