How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[xfrodobagginsx]

Please read this first post

 

[jp55665566]

The notion of disincarnate spirits or souls having to experience a "hell" as punishment for not believing/behaving in accordance with the faith, is an insult to the creator.

 

[Tryharder62]

The notion of disincarnate spirits or souls having to experience a "hell" as punishment for not believing/behaving in accordance with the faith, is an insult to the creator.

Hell is only the absence of God. Our choice.

“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’

 

[Hypoxia]

Hell is only the absence of God. Our choice.

God is a job title, not a proper name. Hell is when people do terrible things to other people; no imaginary friends needed. Again, by Xian doctrine, those never exposed to The Word are forever fucked. I will have nothing to do with such an atrocious dogma.

 

[Tryharder62]

God is a job title, not a proper name. Hell is when people do terrible things to other people; no imaginary friends needed. Again, by Xian doctrine, those never exposed to The Word are forever fucked. I will have nothing to do with such an atrocious dogma.

The Bible is an amazing thing but it's not the only way that God can reveal himself to people. I love the story of a Christian Missionary who visited our church. They went to a remote area that had not been exposed to the Bible or much outside society. They were trying to explain the gospel to an old man. He said " Yes, I know this, I just didn't know His name was Jesus." God can reveal himself in nature, love, etc.

I think people get the impression that God is in heaven trying to push people out. In reality he's trying to welcome everybody in. He does give us a choice though. If we don't want Him, He doesn't force us. Like I said, Hell is mearly the absence of God. The only thing that can get us there is denying Him. Christians can make mistakes. Take me for instance.....

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The notion of disincarnate spirits or souls having to experience a "hell" as punishment for not believing/behaving in accordance with the faith, is an insult to the creator.

What's an insult to the creator is when the created don't believe His word. In His Word we are warned about hell as a punishment who don't accept the Savior that He sent for us.

 

[Dawson2880]

How to get to heaven? 1st Step is to try not being a bunch of filthy sickos on a dirty site such as this.

DELETE YOUR ACCOUNTS AND REPENT NOW!!!! NEVER VISIT LITEROTICA AGAIN!!!! REPENT NOW!!!!

 

[jp55665566]

What's an insult to the creator is when the created don't believe His word. In His Word we are warned about hell as a punishment who don't accept the Savior that He sent for us.

The Book(s) are written and interpreted by humans. The real Word is written in the fiber of your being. There is not now, nor can there ever be a separation from "god"; it's not possible.
Slowdown the whirlwind of your troubled mind. Jesus/God doesn't need your help in managing a world progressing perfectly.

 

[Hypoxia]

The Bible is an amazing thing...

There is no "The Bible". Numerous biblical and pseudo-biblical texts exist, none of which are regarded as canonical by all those regarding themselves as Xian. You want a bible? You have many to choose from, telling their own stories. I like the theology class rewrite of Genesis from the Serpent's POV. Oh, and those lovely psalms:

Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.​

I'll skip that biblical stuff, thanks.

 

[Tryharder62]

God is a job title, not a proper name. Hell is when people do terrible things to other people; no imaginary friends needed. Again, by Xian doctrine, those never exposed to The Word are forever fucked. I will have nothing to do with such an atrocious dogma.

There is no "The Bible". Numerous biblical and pseudo-biblical texts exist, none of which are regarded as canonical by all those regarding themselves as Xian. You want a bible? You have many to choose from, telling their own stories. I like the theology class rewrite of Genesis from the Serpent's POV. Oh, and those lovely psalms:

Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.​

I'll skip that biblical stuff, thanks.

I thought you meant the bible when you said the Word, but you might have meant Jesus, or something else.

The psalm you quoted about is simply the psalmist's plea to God for justice.

The psalmist recalls both the disgraces of the Edomites (who looted Jerusalem) and the Babylonians who destroyed their capital city. The desire is graphically stated, but it is simply a call for the destruction of the entire nation—the nation that had enslaved the Jews, killed their babies, and destroyed their city.

Even today, those who have lost loved ones at the hands of others sometimes, understandably, desire their death. Again, this is the psalmist just asking God for justice.

 

[Hypoxia]

I thought you meant the bible when you said the Word, but you might have meant Jesus, or something else.

All humans unexposed to and/or unconvinced by some set of gospel tracts are irretrievably fucked for all eternity. That's a pretty sick game your Lord {JHWH} is playing. Monstrous.

BTW 'gospel' for "good news" is rather bogus. Two-millennia-old alleged events and myths are not 'news'. FLASH: Höðr kills Baldr! Film at 11!

The psalm you quoted about is simply the psalmist's plea to God for justice.

Justice requires infanticide. Got it.

I picked an easy one because I was too tired to cite numerous biblical texts that promote, praise, or demand genocide, infanticide, enslavement, family abuse, magickal thinking, and bad math. Not very good at describing the world, either: no zero, no kangaroos, no tomatoes. No, I'll skip that belief system. Reality works better.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The Book(s) are written and interpreted by humans. The real Word is written in the fiber of your being. There is not now, nor can there ever be a separation from "god"; it's not possible.
Slowdown the whirlwind of your troubled mind. Jesus/God doesn't need your help in managing a world progressing perfectly.

The books were penned by men but God inspired every word of the Bible. Every word in the Bible is God's word but I must concede that yes it was written through man. Are being is sinful and tends to run away from God and the things that are important to him because of our sin nature. The Bible is our guide to bring us to God. Many times things in the Bible go against our nature because of our sin nature

 

[IG_88]

Jesus said to be fishers of men but I think He maybe would have drawn the line at arguing with idiots or being one yourself. Ya know maybe just spread the gospel and move on.
Little debate here and there is cool and fun and often worthwhile but this thread...no.

 

[Hypoxia]

The books were penned by men but God inspired every word of the Bible.

Pi does not equal three. Earth is not square and flat. The alleged Exodus story left no trace anywhere. Lord {JHWH} forgot to mention gravity, zero, and kangaroos The only insects that "go on all fours" are mantids. The nativity story is incoherent except where plagiarized. Contradictory passages must be laboriously 'harmonized', alas.

Lord {JHWH} was either sloppy or quite a joker. Especially with Job. Ha ha.

BTW if you eat mushrooms, seaweed (like carrageen in ice cream), or caps of penicillin, you're stealing from Lord {JHWH} and are hellbound. Have a nice trip. Say hi to everyone who didn't pray the right way.

 

[Tryharder62]

I have this hope......love.......peace for me.....you......even if........

https://youtu.be/K6B8SjPxo8o

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Pi does not equal three. Earth is not square and flat. The alleged Exodus story left no trace anywhere. Lord {JHWH} forgot to mention gravity, zero, and kangaroos The only insects that "go on all fours" are mantids. The nativity story is incoherent except where plagiarized. Contradictory passages must be laboriously 'harmonized', alas.

Lord {JHWH} was either sloppy or quite a joker. Especially with Job. Ha ha.

BTW if you eat mushrooms, seaweed (like carrageen in ice cream), or caps of penicillin, you're stealing from Lord {JHWH} and are hellbound. Have a nice trip. Say hi to everyone who didn't pray the right way.

The Bible says that the earth is ROUND:

Isa 40:22 It is He who sits on the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in;

The Bible says that the earth hangs on nothing (outer space)

Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon nothing.

The Exodus story left a lot of evidence (There is other evidence, but I don't have time right now):

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/chariots-in-red-sea-irrefutable-evidence/


Why does the bible need to mention gravity? It's not a science book, it's a history book.

 

[jp55665566]

The Bible says that the earth is ROUND:

Isa 40:22 It is He who sits on the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in;

The Bible says that the earth hangs on nothing (outer space)

Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon nothing.

The Exodus story left a lot of evidence (There is other evidence, but I don't have time right now):

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/chariots-in-red-sea-irrefutable-evidence/


Why does the bible need to mention gravity? It's not a science book, it's a history book.

A reverend recently told me that all these questions and contentions regarding jesus, allah, god, the bible, etc. are distractions that don't bring you closer to truth or spirit. Just "keep the faith".
Keep the faith, don't worry about the details. We don't have the intellectual capacity to understand or explain god's purposes.
The Bible is just a book. To say it's the work of god, written through divinely inspired men, is quite problematic.
What do you think of the gospels' of Thomas, Judas and other Dead Sea scrolls.

 

[Hypoxia]

The Exodus story left a lot of evidence (There is other evidence, but I don't have time right now):

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/chariots-in-red-sea-irrefutable-evidence/

WND is a bullshit site. The head of the Archaeology Dept at Hebrew University said there is zero evidence of the Exodus story, which is rather a big thing in Israel, since it's the justification for the nation's existence. No traces of 40 years wanderings around the Sinai. No records of Hebrew enslavement. Nothing about Moishe.

And certainly no Red (or Reed) Sea washout. Just suppose that, in the words of the spiritual, "Pharaoh's army got drownded." Folks would have noticed and mentioned it. Some king in Syria or Libya or Nubia would have gathered his troops and said, "Hey boys, did you hear the news? Pharaoh's army got drownded! There's gold, beer, and pussy just waiting for us there in Egypt the Magnificent! Let's roll!" Didn't happen, alas.

Why does the bible need to mention gravity? It's not a science book, it's a history book.

And not a very good one. Sez stuff happened that nobody else noticed and recorded. And no kangaroos!

Put down that mushroom and step back slowly.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

A reverend recently told me that all these questions and contentions regarding jesus, allah, god, the bible, etc. are distractions that don't bring you closer to truth or spirit. Just "keep the faith".
Keep the faith, don't worry about the details. We don't have the intellectual capacity to understand or explain god's purposes.
The Bible is just a book. To say it's the work of god, written through divinely inspired men, is quite problematic.
What do you think of the gospels' of Thomas, Judas and other Dead Sea scrolls.

He's not much of a reverend now is He? He is leading you astray. The Bible is our guide, not some person pretending to be a man of God calling himself a reverend. Anyone who contradicts the Bible is flat out wrong. Keep the faith in what??? That's a bunch of hogwash lies. The Bible is God's word and we are expected to believe it and live by it. Jesus quoted the Bible as authoritative from God. The gospel of Thomas, Judas are garbage. They weren't written by Thomas or Judas. They were written 200 years after they were dead. The "other Dead Sea Scrolls" aren't scripture and cannot be trusted like scripture. The Dead Sea Scrolls DO prove that the Bible was preserved for us as God's word. They predated the oldest existing manuscripts by more than 1000 years and were virtually identical, except for a few spelling differences, minor spelling errors, ect.

 

[jp55665566]

He's not much of a reverend now is He? He is leading you astray. The Bible is our guide, not some person pretending to be a man of God calling himself a reverend. Anyone who contradicts the Bible is flat out wrong. Keep the faith in what??? That's a bunch of hogwash lies. The Bible is God's word and we are expected to believe it and live by it. Jesus quoted the Bible as authoritative from God. The gospel of Thomas, Judas are garbage. They weren't written by Thomas or Judas. They were written 200 years after they were dead. The "other Dead Sea Scrolls" aren't scripture and cannot be trusted like scripture. The Dead Sea Scrolls DO prove that the Bible was preserved for us as God's word. They predated the oldest existing manuscripts by more than 1000 years and were virtually identical, except for a few spelling differences, minor spelling errors, ect.

I honor your choices and interpretations. I'm fascinated by the Shroud of Turin.

 

[Hypoxia]

I honor your choices and interpretations. I'm fascinated by the Shroud of Turin.

The guy who made the shroud confessed long ago. But don't snare believers with facts. Reality is irrelevant.

 

[ishtat]

The Bible says that the earth is round

It is in fact not round but an oblate spheroid.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

He's not much of a reverend now is He? He is leading you astray. The Bible is our guide, not some person pretending to be a man of God calling himself a reverend. Anyone who contradicts the Bible is flat out wrong. Keep the faith in what??? That's a bunch of hogwash lies. The Bible is God's word and we are expected to believe it and live by it. Jesus quoted the Bible as authoritative from God. The gospel of Thomas, Judas are garbage. They weren't written by Thomas or Judas. They were written 200 years after they were dead. The "other Dead Sea Scrolls" aren't scripture and cannot be trusted like scripture. The Dead Sea Scrolls DO prove that the Bible was preserved for us as God's word. They predated the oldest existing manuscripts by more than 1000 years and were virtually identical, except for a few spelling differences, minor spelling errors, ect.

Do you really think that the gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? You were scammed, buddy. Time to wake up and smell the con.

 

[LWulf]

First, it's a loaded question posted by a believer who couldn't phrase a question that allowed for anything other than believing in some dude named Hay-sus.

Second, there is no such place called hell. The Jews never mentioned it, that dude hay-sus never mentioned it. It was solely a contrivance that christians came up with during the early to middle-ages when they realized "Oh shit, we're not controlling the masses like we used to! We need to make them FEAR God once again!"

They patterned the concept of "hell" on a valley, pilgrims passed while journeying to the holy land, where they threw refuse, and used sulfur to burn the waste. While the concept of a place where wicked people go stems more from Roman and Greek mythology.

The Jews (catchall phrase that only accounts for one part of all Israeli faiths and thus each belief varies to each other) only believe that there is some "waiting room" where everybody goes to, for an indeterminate amount of time.

As for me, I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.

 

[jp55665566]

The guy who made the shroud confessed long ago. But don't snare believers with facts. Reality is irrelevant.

wait a second. what guy confessed to making the shroud? I've been following closely.