How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[phrodeau]

I AM is the name that God gave Moses at the burning bush. Yeshua is the Hebrew word for Jesus. It is translated Joshua into English. Jesus revealed that HE is the I AM at the burning bush. As far as the quran goes... The Bible was written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events. The quran was not. The quran wasn't written until hundreds of years later by a man who wasn't even there and contradict s the accounts of those who were actually there. Actual historians from Christ's day support the Biblical accounts. The quran contradicts the historical accounts of those who were actually there. The quran contradicts the Biblical, eyewitness events of those who were actually there, therefore the quran is false.

As has been said before, there are dozens of inconsistencies in the Bible, including between different Gospels. Mark contradicts Luke, who contradicts Matthew, who contradicts John. By your own reasoning, they are therefore false.

And where is the historic record of the resurrection of the saints? Only Matthew mentions it, and nobody else. Pretty weird.

 

[txgent101]

As has been said before, there are dozens of inconsistencies in the Bible, including between different Gospels. Mark contradicts Luke, who contradicts Matthew, who contradicts John. By your own reasoning, they are therefore false.

And where is the historic record of the resurrection of the saints? Only Matthew mentions it, and nobody else. Pretty weird.

You know, if all four gospels were identical, or even virtually so, someone would say they were invalid because of that. That someone just copied one of them and tried to foist the others on us to make a stronger 'case'.

Think of it like people who witness dramatic events. Ask them what happened and their stories will usually vary, sometimes considerably. This was the theme of the movie "Rashomon". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect

For me, the differences in the gospel accounts are a strong indication of their essential truth.

 

[Conager]

Why is Frodo arguing with himself? When I find myself in his current position I generally can reach consensus with myself.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

As has been said before, there are dozens of inconsistencies in the Bible, including between different Gospels. Mark contradicts Luke, who contradicts Matthew, who contradicts John. By your own reasoning, they are therefore false.

And where is the historic record of the resurrection of the saints? Only Matthew mentions it, and nobody else. Pretty weird.

The gospels have no contradictions. They were written from 4 different perspectives.

Here is an example:

Matthew:...THIS IS JESUS.....................THE KING OF THE JEWS
Mark:....................................................THE KING OF THE JEWS
Luke:.........THIS IS................................THE KING OF THE JEWS
John:.....................JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS

Put them together it says: THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

CONCLUSION: There is no contradiction. It is giving you 4 different perspectives of the same event. It's the same throughout the gospels.

 

[phrodeau]

The gospels have no contradictions. They were written from 4 different perspectives.

Here is an example:

Matthew:...THIS IS JESUS.....................THE KING OF THE JEWS
Mark:....................................................THE KING OF THE JEWS
Luke:.........THIS IS................................THE KING OF THE JEWS
John:.....................JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS

Put them together it says: THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

CONCLUSION: There is no contradiction. It is giving you 4 different perspectives of the same event. It's the same throughout the gospels.

By that reasoning, the Quran must be absolute truth.

 

[ishtat]

The gospels have no contradictions. .

Simple question. Who discovered the empty tomb of Jesus according to each of the gospels that considered it?

 

[nerfhearder]

Simple question. Who discovered the empty tomb of Jesus according to each of the gospels that considered it?

They all say Mary did. The only real difference is which Mary but that alone can be considered simply confusion over time due to the same first name and close relationship to Jesus.
They also disagree on how many people were with her but again, probably just confusion over time.

Lots of contradictions in the Bible so no need to look for one where it isn't or is easily explained.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Simple question. Who discovered the empty tomb of Jesus according to each of the gospels that considered it?

It's the same thing as the quotes above. Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Simon find that the tomb has been opened. Obviously, when these names are mentioned there were others with them. It doesn't have to mention the names of everyone present for the gospel to be correct.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

By that reasoning, the Quran must be absolute truth.

The Bible was written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events. The quran was not. The quran wasn't written until hundreds of years later by a man who wasn't even there and contradict s the accounts of those who were actually there. Actual historians from Christ's day support the Biblical accounts. The quran contradicts the historical accounts of those who were actually there. The quran contradicts the Biblical, eyewitness events of those who were actually there, therefore the quran is false.

 

[ishtat]

The Bible was written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events.

No it wasn't.

Read "The Bible with Sources Revealed" by Richard Elliott Friedman. It only covers the Penteteuch but it will keep you thinking for the next 30 years or so. It analyses the Wellhausen theory brilliantly

Freudman who is arguably America's foremost biblical scholar also wrote the much easier "Who wrote the Bible?" Start with that one.

 

[phrodeau]

The Bible was written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events. The quran was not. The quran wasn't written until hundreds of years later by a man who wasn't even there and contradict s the accounts of those who were actually there. Actual historians from Christ's day support the Biblical accounts. The quran contradicts the historical accounts of those who were actually there. The quran contradicts the Biblical, eyewitness events of those who were actually there, therefore the quran is false.

Whoever taught you that, also washes hogs.

 

[Hypoxia]

All biblical texts, canonical or apocryphal depending on your cult, are the sacred words of {JHW} as transmitted by fallible humans.

Or, {JHWH} has a great sense of ironic humor -- or maybe it's sardonic sadism -- and likes to keep humans busy and dizzy.

Harmonizing all the contradictions and inaccuracies in those biblical texts is a full-time job. Glad I don't have to do it.

But watching believers explore their cognitive dissonance can be very entertaining -- from a safe distance.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

All biblical texts, canonical or apocryphal depending on your cult, are the sacred words of {JHW} as transmitted by fallible humans.

Or, {JHWH} has a great sense of ironic humor -- or maybe it's sardonic sadism -- and likes to keep humans busy and dizzy.

Harmonizing all the contradictions and inaccuracies in those biblical texts is a full-time job. Glad I don't have to do it.

But watching believers explore their cognitive dissonance can be very entertaining -- from a safe distance.

The Biblical texts have minor errors due to the copying process being by hand, however, no single error changes the meaning of any doctrine or passage. It's simply spelling differences, punctuation changes, ect. that don't change anything. There are no contradictions or inaccuracies in the Bible.

THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CANONIZED (CAME TO BE):

WHOLE VIDEO:

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=D76LD7NX

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Whoever taught you that, also washes hogs.

You can believe whatever you want, but it's not my fault if you choose to ignore the facts.

 

[phrodeau]

You can believe whatever you want, but it's not my fault if you choose to ignore the facts.

Please tell us, who was the eyewitness of the prayer Jesus made at Gethsemane? It's in the Bible word for word, but by the biblical account, everybody else was sleeping when it happened. Afterwards, Jesus was arrested and crucified, so who could he have told?

 

[Hypoxia]

The Biblical texts have minor errors due to the copying process being by hand, however, no single error changes the meaning of any doctrine or passage. It's simply spelling differences, punctuation changes, ect. that don't change anything. There are no contradictions or inaccuracies in the Bible.

There is no "The Bible", no one set of texts acknowledged as canonical by all those dubbing themselves Christian. Different collections and translations tell very different stories. Consider the Masoretic Text:

The Masoretic Text (MT, 𝕸, or {M}) is the authoritative Hebrew and Aramaic text of the Tanakh for Rabbinic Judaism. However, contemporary scholars seeking to understand the history of the Hebrew Bible’s text use a range of other sources. These include Greek and Syriac translations, quotations from rabbinic manuscripts, the Samaritan Pentateuch and others such as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Many of these are older than the Masoretic text and often contradict it.

Ya picks yer text and ya runs with it, no matter what others say.

And biblical texts are filled with factual errors, from the size of an Arc that could carry breeding populations of all biological species, to the value of pi. And just fake history. The leading Israeli archaeologist says no physical evidence has been found to validate the Exodus story. None. People leave traces but those Hebrews didn't. Miracle!

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Why do you guys keep replying to this nimrod's thread?
Let this thread die already...christ!

 

[Hypoxia]

Why do you guys keep replying to this nimrod's thread?
Let this thread die already...christ!

Because it's more fun than politicks.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Please tell us, who was the eyewitness of the prayer Jesus made at Gethsemane? It's in the Bible word for word, but by the biblical account, everybody else was sleeping when it happened. Afterwards, Jesus was arrested and crucified, so who could he have told?

Not every single event was eye witnessed. Some of it was revealed via the Holy Spirit, but those who wrote the Bible were eyewitnesses to the main stories recorded. . They walked with Jesus and were taught personally by Him. Yes, I take the Bible word for word. BTW when Jesus was arrested, He was with His disciples, so there were plenty of eyewitnesses anyway. Obviously, Moses wasn't present at Creation either. God revealed it to him the way that He wanted it told in His Word. Many times when a prophet was writing under inspiration, they didn't understand what they were even writing because God was revealing it to them.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Why is Frodo arguing with himself? When I find myself in his current position I generally can reach consensus with myself.

I am not arguing with myself.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Exactly.

If there are 72 virgins waiting I think my disembodied Spirit would realize that I'm actually in Hell Since I no longer have a body with which to f#$# them.

You are kind of right. Those in hell have the same desires, yet they are never going to be fulfilled again.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

If your god wasn't so hateful towards his imperfect creations you wouldn't need a savior either.

How is God the hateful one?

 

[Hypoxia]

How is God the hateful one?

https://blavatskytheosophy.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/bibledeaths.jpg

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Jesus said: Joh 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Neither can gravity, but I guarantee you if you jump off a bridge you're only going one way.

Gravity isn't faith based. It is proven to exist. Darwinian evolution is not.


There are MOUNTAINS of evidence. You're just living in denial or don't understand the theory in the first place.

The Mountains of evidence are on the Creationist side, not evolution.


He didn't create a fiery pit in which to toss his disobedient children into for punishment?

No, we don't become God's children until we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


He doesn't threaten them with eternal damnation and suffering if they don't do what he says?

He expects those in His Kingdom to actually obey Him, just as if you rebel against any King it is called Treason.


I thought he was our creator? Is he or is he not?

Yep.

My responses are in bold above.