How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[phrodeau]

If you had taken the time to read the old testament and the law, they were instructed to wash and cleanliness was a big part of the law, not touching dead things, ect. and now it is clear why they were instructed because of germs. The context of the passage you are referring to has nothing to do with germs. It has to do with good and evil. It's not evil to eat with dirty hands, evil is what comes out of the man. So yes God knew before science discovered it, since He made it.

Also, there are a lot of other things in the Bible that Science didn't discover until recently like the fact that the earth hangs on nothing in outer space, that the earth is round and many other things. With that said, the Bible is not a science book per se, it is a history book meant to bring man to salvation.

I see you haven't read it. I'll quote the whole thing.

Mark 7:14 And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: 15 There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.” 17 And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. 18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?”6 (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

See? No germs.

 

[Tryharder62]

If Jesus' hands were dirty, he may very well have washed them. However, He did not perform the ritualistic handwashing that was simply the tradition of the Jews. Performing any rituals that are simply tradition and not of God will not purify anyone. Jesus was discounting rituals not the action of simply washing one's hands.

 

[God_Above]

I have seen and worked with people who have demons and I have a pretty good understanding of how it works.

You only need to look in the the mirror upon your own reflection.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

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[xfrodobagginsx]

I hope you remember to go to Church tomorrow.

 

[colddiesel]

If Jesus' hands were dirty, he may very well have washed them. However, He did not perform the ritualistic handwashing that was simply the tradition of the Jews. Performing any rituals that are simply tradition and not of God will not purify anyone. Jesus was discounting rituals not the action of simply washing one's hands.

For a literalist you indulge in a heap of interpretation. Just accept that JC was a Jew to his sandal straps and never had a single original idea that Hillel had not had before him.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

If Jesus' hands were dirty, he may very well have washed them. However, He did not perform the ritualistic handwashing that was simply the tradition of the Jews. Performing any rituals that are simply tradition and not of God will not purify anyone. Jesus was discounting rituals not the action of simply washing one's hands.

Good answer.

 

[Tryharder62]

For a literalist you indulge in a heap of interpretation. Just accept that JC was a Jew to his sandal straps and never had a single original idea that Hillel had not had before him.

So you are telling me that Jesus Christ actually lived? That's progress!!

 

[phrodeau]

If Jesus' hands were dirty, he may very well have washed them. However, He did not perform the ritualistic handwashing that was simply the tradition of the Jews. Performing any rituals that are simply tradition and not of God will not purify anyone. Jesus was discounting rituals not the action of simply washing one's hands.

He might have said that, but that's not what's written.

 

[Tryharder62]

He might have said that, but that's not what's written.

You quoted Mark 7:14 but that is only part of the conversation. See before this


Mark 7: 1-8
1 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus 2 and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles. ) 5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?” 6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ 8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

It is there!

 

[colddiesel]

So you are telling me that Jesus Christ actually lived? That's progress!!

Not really. If I ever denied his existence which I do not recollect, it would have only been to stir you up! A worthy object in itself

He existed. In the sermon on the mount he laid out his rules for proper Jewish life. That was fine if unoriginal. Most everything else about Jesus was made up/ grossly exaggerated by folk pursuing their own ambitions . The worst were Paul of Tarsus and the raving lunatics who wrote John and the completely insane Book of Revelation.

Thanks for making the opportunity of making this point.

 

[phrodeau]

You quoted Mark 7:14 but that is only part of the conversation. See before this


Mark 7: 1-8
1 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus 2 and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles. ) 5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?” 6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ 8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

It is there!

Jesus doesn't deny that their hands are defiled, and seems to discourage hand washing altogether. Here He has a perfect opportunity to teach everyone about germs, and He lets it pass. Some Savior that is.

 

[Tryharder62]

Not really. If I ever denied his existence which I do not recollect, it would have only been to stir you up! A worthy object in itself

He existed. In the sermon on the mount he laid out his rules for proper Jewish life. That was fine if unoriginal. Most everything else about Jesus was made up/ grossly exaggerated by folk pursuing their own ambitions . The worst were Paul of Tarsus and the raving lunatics who wrote John and the completely insane Book of Revelation.

Thanks for making the opportunity of making this point.

You stir me up? Hmmmm I did not know that. You are welcome.

Jesus doesn't deny that their hands are defiled, and seems to discourage hand washing altogether. Here He has a perfect opportunity to teach everyone about germs, and He lets it pass. Some Savior that is.

Yes, he does deny it in the verse you quoted!!! What is the Bible? It is for our spirituality. It is not a science book. It would be like looking at a science book and wondering why it didn't talk about getting real with God and how to stop being hypocrites. That is not what a science book is all about!

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So you are telling me that Jesus Christ actually lived? That's progress!!

It's a historical fact.

 

[phrodeau]

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Yes, he does deny it in the verse you quoted!!!

Sorry, I'm not seeing it. Is that one of those special interpretations it takes three monks and a rabbi to come up with, and a traveling bishop to pronounce?

First He cites Isaiah 29:13, which has nothing to say about cleanliness or hands. This is followed by a criticism of giving to charity instead of one's parents, which is really odd. He then says that people can't be defiled by consuming things, and gives a laundry list of things that defile a person from within, none of which are germs.

What you'd have me believe is a God who creates germs, provides a ritual to avoid them, then tells everyone to forget about the ritual and enjoy the germs. Same guy who gave snakes venom, humans an instinctive fear of snakes, and a book that says the faithful can handle snakes without harm.

 

[colddiesel]

A report very recently published has identified 700+ cases in which Southern Baptist Church leaders sexually abused children and women - raping of women/girls and buggering of boys being commonplace.

In the circumstances do you think that these church leaders should be consigned to eternal damnation or should we understand that they were just raping and buggering for Jesus.

1 What will you personally do with respect to these leaders?

2 What will you personally do with respect to their victims?

Thank you.

 

[Tryharder62]

Sorry, I'm not seeing it. Is that one of those special interpretations it takes three monks and a rabbi to come up with, and a traveling bishop to pronounce?

First He cites Isaiah 29:13, which has nothing to say about cleanliness or hands. This is followed by a criticism of giving to charity instead of one's parents, which is really odd. He then says that people can't be defiled by consuming things, and gives a laundry list of things that defile a person from within, none of which are germs.

What you'd have me believe is a God who creates germs, provides a ritual to avoid them, then tells everyone to forget about the ritual and enjoy the germs. Same guy who gave snakes venom, humans an instinctive fear of snakes, and a book that says the faithful can handle snakes without harm.

All of the examples you gave were about hypocrisy. Doing things so that other people can see how righteous you are not because it is what God tells you or wants you to do. The charity one is because we are to honor our father and mother. Although giving to "charity" sounds wonderful they were giving so they could be seen as righteous, but their parents were not taken care of which is what God wants us to do. Isaiah 29:13 is about people paying lip service to Jesus but they do not have him in their heart. People were doing the ritualistic handwashing to be seen as righteous. It was a tradition not something that God ever asked them to do.

Snakes throughout the entire bible have been symbols for Satan. A Christian can handle anything that Satan can deal out as long as we have Jesus.

 

[Tryharder62]

A report very recently published has identified 700+ cases in which Southern Baptist Church leaders sexually abused children and women - raping of women/girls and buggering of boys being commonplace.

In the circumstances do you think that these church leaders should be consigned to eternal damnation or should we understand that they were just raping and buggering for Jesus.

1 What will you personally do with respect to these leaders?

2 What will you personally do with respect to their victims?

Thank you.

My heart aches. Words seem so inadequate. I have shared I am a survivor or this type of abuse, although mine was not church related. I think these abusers should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. They should be taken out of positions of authority, especially in the church.

I will have to think more about your questions. What answers I come up with now seem like a rain drop to a lake.

 

[ishtat]

Snakes throughout the entire bible have been symbols for Satan. A Christian can handle anything that Satan can deal out as long as we have Jesus.

In Genesis the serpent told the truth. Yaweh did not.

Further the Serpent has been a symbol of wisdom (Sophia in Greek) since long before the bible was even contemplated.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

In Genesis the serpent told the truth. Yaweh did not.

Further the Serpent has been a symbol of wisdom (Sophia in Greek) since long before the bible was even contemplated.

False. The serpent lied and God told the truth.

 

[phrodeau]

All of the examples you gave were about hypocrisy. Doing things so that other people can see how righteous you are not because it is what God tells you or wants you to do. The charity one is because we are to honor our father and mother. Although giving to "charity" sounds wonderful they were giving so they could be seen as righteous, but their parents were not taken care of which is what God wants us to do. Isaiah 29:13 is about people paying lip service to Jesus but they do not have him in their heart. People were doing the ritualistic handwashing to be seen as righteous. It was a tradition not something that God ever asked them to do.

Snakes throughout the entire bible have been symbols for Satan. A Christian can handle anything that Satan can deal out as long as we have Jesus.

OK, so Jesus didn't want to follow traditional hand washing, because He though it was hypocritical.

Then He did this:

John 16:3 Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; 4 so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5 After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples’ feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.

6 He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, “Lord, are you going to wash my feet?”

7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”

8 “No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”

Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”

9 “Then, Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!”

10 Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean.”

So, hand washing isn't prescribed by God, but foot washing is?

 

[Tryharder62]

In Genesis the serpent told the truth. Yaweh did not.

Further the Serpent has been a symbol of wisdom (Sophia in Greek) since long before the bible was even contemplated.

I would be really curious as to your definition of truth and lie then. Also.... that the serpent meant something to others does not change what it meant in the bible.

OK, so Jesus didn't want to follow traditional hand washing, because He though it was hypocritical.

Then He did this:So, hand washing isn't prescribed by God, but foot washing is?

Wow, you are really concerned about hygiene aren't you!!! Don't worry you can wash anything you need to. Only lowly servants washed feet during this time. Jesus was saying we are not better or no worse than other people. We should serve each other with humility. Soooo.....wash your hands and wash whoever's feet you feel like. Make sure to get their permission

 

[phrodeau]

I would be really curious as to your definition of truth and lie then. Also.... that the serpent meant something to others does not change what it meant in the bible.



Wow, you are really concerned about hygiene aren't you!!! Don't worry you can wash anything you need to. Only lowly servants washed feet during this time. Jesus was saying we are not better or no worse than other people. We should serve each other with humility. Soooo.....wash your hands and wash whoever's feet you feel like. Make sure to get their permission

Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.” Would you call that asking for permission?

 

[Tryharder62]

Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.” Would you call that asking for permission?

They didn't want Jesus to wash their feet because of who he was. But really I was saying YOU should ask for permission before you wash other's feet. A joke....that went about as well as mine usually do.

 

[Super-Surprise]

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