How straying too far from reality is ruining your stories

[BaldingGrayingMiddleAgeGuy]

I've been lurking and reading for several months now, and just created a profile this week. I decided that a PSA would be beneficial to the authors, so here it is.

The problem isn't writing about stuff that's fantasy, and likely wouldn't happen in real life (incest/taboo category largely falls into this category), what ruins stories is when writers stray too far away from human nature. For example, the cuckold stories. While there is a minority of people out there that get off on watching their spouse having sex with someone else, the vast majority of people DON'T. The problem that I've seen over and over again is where authors have an example of the latter (NOT okay with being cucked) that make the cuck tolerate it, in some cases for YEARS. Sorry, but if someone isn't okay with being cucked, they're NOT going to put up with it, PERIOD, especially for years on end. THIS is how you are ruining your story.

The other category that I would like to point out is the "too stupid or stubborn" category. Yes, there are people that ARE pretty stupid and stubborn out there, but even they will eventually come to realize that their marriage is over because they were caught cheating or being a serial homewrecker and going after married person after married person. NO ONE is that stupid.

Yes, these stories are fiction, and yes we all enjoy fantasy and escapism, but don't stray too far from how most reasonable people would react to a situation. It's okay to stray SOME, but when you take it too far it ruins your story EVERY TIME.

 

[KeithD]

Your premise of what everybody does/does not want to read is skewed by the fact that this where people come to read this stuff--by their own choice. This isn't dropped into their living rooms. And, yes, sure, they all come to read/rant about their own slice of the issue. So, yes, it becomes a battleground. Some rule on what authors can/should not write about or that readers must/should respond to it is just a nonstarter.

 

[Defluer]

I kinda get your meaning Balding but at the same time, as an author of both of those categories and one who used to (maybe still does) suffer from the same feelings. Where I spent page upon page working my characters to a point where they went from "Normal" to accepting of incest/cuck stuff/whatever... It's exhausting. I gave up and so many because I was like forty pages in with no sex. Forty pages in and certain I needed that much more before the sex could even happen. I'm sure some people come here for that, but I don't.

And really what stories would be in the loving wives category? If the spouse didn't put up with it and only a tiny majority of them would ever accept.

Wife bent over the table proudly with her boyfriend fucking her, "You failed to please me, now you gotta deal with me getting fucked by other guys."

Husband, "Nope! Fuck you I'm leaving."

Wife, "Okay, bye."

End of story. Or stories. Yeah, it kinda sucks when cliché plotlines get rehashed over and over again. But the LW category is specifically for wives who love too much. Maybe it should be renamed to Cuckoldry or something like that, so some readers will not be so confused, but if you want wives loving only their husbands. Probably should stick to Erotic Couplings.

Plus shouldn't the biggest complaint be that almost every dude (who is meant to be the sex star of the story) has a ten inch dick and every woman has huge tits and perfect body? That seems to be way more overplayed if you're thinking of statistics and the math of averages.

 

[BaldingGrayingMiddleAgeGuy]

Not that I'm overly woke (I'm DEFINITELY not) but loving WIVES is kind of a sexist name for it because both wives and husbands cheat. It should be loving spouses actually.

I see the category as cheating central. In it you're going to have everything from BTB to spouses that are willingly cucked.

I get what you're saying, but being a unwilling cuck, and allowing it to continue, and continue, and continue just isn't realistic. Even worse a lot of those stories are RAAC. I'm sorry, but if you were unwillingly cucked repeatedly for a long period of time, there's NO WAY IN HELL you're going to reconcile. Again, I don't have a problem with bending reality. Most of the stories on here do, but there's a fine line between bending and BREAKING reality. You've ruined your story (at least IMO, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this) once you have broken reality completely.

 

[BaldingGrayingMiddleAgeGuy]

Your premise of what everybody does/does not want to read is skewed by the fact that this where people come to read this stuff--by their own choice. This isn't dropped into their living rooms. And, yes, sure, they all come to read/rant about their own slice of the issue. So, yes, it becomes a battleground. Some rule on what authors can/should not write about or that readers must/should respond to it is just a nonstarter.

Oh, I'm not going to tell the authors what to write and what not to write, but I see a lot of posts where authors are wondering why their stories got bad reviews. There are obviously a number of reasons for this. I'm merely pointing out what I believe is one of them.

 

[KeithD]

Oh, I'm not going to tell the authors what to write and what not to write, but I see a lot of posts where authors are wondering why their stories got bad reviews. There are obviously a number of reasons for this. I'm merely pointing out what I believe is one of them.

The authors who are spinning wheels wondering this in a wide-open, free-use story site with few controls and hundreds of thousands of separately opinionated, mostly unfettered readers are just dipping for goldfish in the ocean. I suppose it's an exercise in avoidance from actually getting on with their writing. But it's a waste of time and energy--and more than a bit needy.

 

[Escierto]

I laughed reading this thread.

I have written 13 stories. Two are completely fictional and stretch reality quite a bit. The other eleven are basically recounting my actual experiences as best I can remember them.

The two fictional stories are wildly popular! People hate the 11 stories which are factual and true to life.

Bottom line? People love bullshit! They hate reality or anything real.

 

[8letters]

I've been lurking and reading for several months now, and just created a profile this week. I decided that a PSA would be beneficial to the authors, so here it is.

The problem isn't writing about stuff that's fantasy, and likely wouldn't happen in real life (incest/taboo category largely falls into this category), what ruins stories is when writers stray too far away from human nature. For example, the cuckold stories. While there is a minority of people out there that get off on watching their spouse having sex with someone else, the vast majority of people DON'T. The problem that I've seen over and over again is where authors have an example of the latter (NOT okay with being cucked) that make the cuck tolerate it, in some cases for YEARS. Sorry, but if someone isn't okay with being cucked, they're NOT going to put up with it, PERIOD, especially for years on end. THIS is how you are ruining your story.

The other category that I would like to point out is the "too stupid or stubborn" category. Yes, there are people that ARE pretty stupid and stubborn out there, but even they will eventually come to realize that their marriage is over because they were caught cheating or being a serial homewrecker and going after married person after married person. NO ONE is that stupid.

Yes, these stories are fiction, and yes we all enjoy fantasy and escapism, but don't stray too far from how most reasonable people would react to a situation. It's okay to stray SOME, but when you take it too far it ruins your story EVERY TIME.

What's implausible to you is hot to someone else. I wouldn't have the woman provide constant encouragement/instruction/expressions of pleasure in my stories like "Oooooooh! Johnnnnnny! Yes, come in me! I want to feel your hot juice in my pussy! Ooooooo! Unnnnnnnnggg! That's it! I'm close! Harder! Oh, fuuuuck!", but some other readers love it.

 

[KeithD]

Bottom line? People love bullshit! They hate reality or anything real.

I think the plausible theory is that a great number of people come here to be sexually aroused, not for a day at the clinic.

 

[Escierto]

I think the plausible theory is that a great number of people come here to be sexually aroused, not for a day at the clinic.

So what you are saying is made up implausible nonsense is more sexually arousing than real life sexual experiences. You may have a point.

 

[KeithD]

So what you are saying is made up implausible nonsense is more sexually arousing than real life sexual experiences. You may have a point.

No, that's you putting what I haven't said into my mouth. Why, I don't know. Sexual arousal, though, is more connected with pushing the edges of reality and encouraging fantasy than regurgitating the mundane, I think. That isn't "implausible nonsense." It's a bit of exaggeration and focusing on the sexy images, filtering out a lot of the messy or nasty elements. It might be that you are illustrating my point by exaggerating what I've posted to serve your jollies. *smile*

 

[Escierto]

No, that's you putting what I haven't said into my mouth. Why, I don't know. Sexual arousal, though, is more connected with pushing the edges of reality and encouraging fantasy than regurgitating the mundane, I think. That isn't "implausible nonsense." It's a bit of exaggeration and focusing on the sexy images, filtering out a lot of the messy or nasty elements. It might be that you are illustrating my point by exaggerating what I've posted to serve your jollies. *smile*

You’re right. I was just teasing.

 

[lovecraft68]

So you mention incest, then launch into everything else falling under 'marriage' meaning you're an LW troll- who is a notch up from the usual because at least you have a handle and actual account-who came here to complain about cuck stories.

But I'll give you that it seems these days most stories are written to incense people rather than arouse them, then they get trolled, bitch, then do it again....it's some weird circle of masochism, authors write what they know will get them abused, and people reading stories they know will piss them off.

 

[lovecraft68]

Unnnnnnnnggg!

That would make me click off for sure.

 

[tenyari]

The only problem I see with all of these LW stories is the category is badly named. Just rename the category "cuckold stories".

I see it's been an issue for years as to how to deal with people that vote slam or comment slam just because they dislike a category... and I don't have good ideas on that topic.

People come here to read about various kinks and fetishes. Find the ones you want to read about - and only complain when an author publishes in the wrong category and whoever approved the story failed to catch it. Otherwise... just learn to read the categories you like.

And yeah I know - I am asking too much.

When I see a post title complaining about realism I expect the topic inside of it to be complaining about the stuff I write: naked fantasy worlds with magic, naked AI robots learning about sex and life, and super heroes who's powers only work when they're naked. Not that I have any sort of theme or anything... but yeah. Those stories violate realism.

So... my second ask, and I guess again I'm asking too much; please title your complaint threads properly. I came in here for the race, and discovered I have no horse in it.

 

[Defluer]

Okay, I don't want to all gangbang the OP with our LW Trolls hate, because I'm not sure that is what they (he?) is/are.

I think maybe if you are looking at it under the lens that all those stories (without the nanobot dicked sex mandroids and ice cream nippled unicentaurs) are happening in one universe, in our reality. Then yeah, no way there is that many people just coming to terms with their spouse getting it from others, way better, and usually rubbing their faces in it. But while I've started to write all my stories as being in the same "universe" nobody else is. Think of it as this is a dimension in the multiverse where this one guy is getting cheated on, insulted, and coming to terms with it. It's a case study in the emotions and decisions of this guy to "save" his marriage. And if there are 10,000 stories just like it? All their own pocket dimension. That's the sign post up ahead... Your next stop, The Twilight Zone. Or The Twilight Erogenous Zone.

But also... A guy I used to be friends with cheated on his wife. He admitted it to her, they tried to work it out. He cheated on her again, and again, and again. I wasn't in their house but she either found out on her own or he told her about them. I never knew it had happened until after the marriage ended. I knew the guy, I don't think he begged for forgiveness or anything like that. He wasn't/isn't the beg for forgiveness type. Which the next part of the story (True!) confirms, HE LEFT HER saying he was just gonna keep doing it. Seemingly she was prepared to live the rest of her life with him cheating. So that shit happens.

Another friend got offered a part in a MMF threesome. Where the MF were boyfriend and girlfriend and she was going to get tag teamed by her man and my friend. Granted this was... fuck twenty years ago so maybe that was their "safe" way of getting somebody that both boyfriend and girlfriend could enjoy without the "Eww! Gay!" shit that was rampant back then. I don't know, but as far as I do know she was getting banged by other dudes while her boyfriend enjoyed it to a level where he was hard and throwing it in her before and or after other dudes. And that she was putting offers out to any attractive guy that she knew.

Another time a co-worker told me that he "Eiffel Towered" that weekend. I didn't know the term and he told me that it was two guys banging a gal. One is in her mouth and the other is in her pussy and they high five. He was proud and happy to have done it. He didn't demean the woman involved, was all compliments about how hot she was. It wasn't his girlfriend and I didn't ask if it was the other guys, but... There seems a future for him of being happy to be with a woman enough to let her get other cocks thrown in her.

One more. Tinier and less actual value. I got on a married guy's computer once, helping his wife out with installing software and they were so computer illiterate as to make me seem an IT genius, it was their only computer. Well I'm nosy and the software took forever to download and install. So yeah, I snooped. The browser history was full of "Wife gets Gangbanged" porn videos, various titles but that was the common theme. Does this mean he would actually allow that to happen? No, I watch/read a lot of stuff I would not want to happen in real life. But I also jump around from plot to plot, theme to theme, and this guy was consistent. Week after week when the PH in an orange square icon showed up in his browser history it was always ALWAYS about a woman getting fucked by lots of guys, usually with the term wife or husband thrown in.

Those are four people that I know that could be stars of a LW story. And those are people that chance or fate told gave me their stories. I mean, how many other people around just me have done that kind of stuff but never admitted it to me (why would they?) it seems likely that it's at the bare minimum... Double. So twelve? Twelve people. You can expand that out to twelve people that all of us know and it seems like enough to fill the LW category with.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I'm reading here various opinions of "reality" of sex.

How many different sex partners have you experienced to actually KNOW what the majority of others REALLY think about a socially taboo subject like sex?

Have you met a woman who really WANTS two (or more) guys fucking her at the same time? How many wives do you know who want to go down on another woman while their husband is fucking her from behind? Have you ever really met a wife who has watched her own husband fuck another woman, and who wants to see him do it again, actually scheduling it with another woman for him? Have you ever met and talked openly about sex with a M-to-F trans and heard WHY they made the transition (in an open, friendly, and non-judgmental discussion)? If you haven't met people like these, then your real-life experiences are limited to a restricted subset of humanity.

In my experience, MOST people only talk about sex in a roundabout way and wouldn't want to be caught visiting a sex toy shop. But when people realize they are among a group of like-minded people, their real desires and fantasies are more likely expressed.

My wife and I talk more openly with each other AND with others. She'll openly describe her sex toy collection with her female friends in Book Club, and she tells me of their reactions, half of whom begin opening up with their own positive opinions. So, many are repressed in what they truly think and discuss.

And as I wrote in "Lifestyle Ch. 04: Mentors", the older experienced couple's husband says:
"He laughed as he looked at me. "How are you going to feel watching another guy stick his cock in your wife's mouth? Or watching his cum drip out of her? You really won't know how you'll feel until it happens. And if you don't like it, you won't like the guy who did it. So, it won't be me."

As for recategorizing or renaming "Loving Wives", ... READ the LW description! "Loving Wives - Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more." What part of that says: "Burn the bitch!"??? That's why those of us who write the APPROPRIATE "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing" stories refer to the majority of the commenters and raters there as TROLLS for jumping into a place they SHOULD be avoiding, merely to hate.

When you read stories here on Literotica, try to do so with a more open mind and recognize that you are seeing into the minds of others in REALITY, because an author pulled that out of their own mind! People DO think that way!

 

[susurrus]

To throw in my two cents, for whatever it might be worth:

Loving Wives isn't all cuckold stories. That may be a majority of what populates that category these days, but that isn't exclusively what's in there. Trouble is, you need to really glean hard to find much else, but you can find them.

Apparently there are plenty of writers out there with the cuckold fantasy for there to be so many stories written on the subject. It kind of falls in with the foot fetishists. To go by much of the internet these days, a person could assume that every man out there is obsessed with women's feet.

 

[Lifestyle66]

To throw in my two cents, for whatever it might be worth:

Loving Wives isn't all cuckold stories. That may be a majority of what populates that category these days, but that isn't exclusively what's in there. Trouble is, you need to really glean hard to find much else, but you can find them.

Apparently there are plenty of writers out there with the cuckold fantasy for there to be so many stories written on the subject. It kind of falls in with the foot fetishists. To go by much of the internet these days, a person could assume that every man out there is obsessed with women's feet.

I get that "cuckhold" label on many of my stories.

But if the commenters would actually think while they read, the couple relationship I describe in my stories is more of a two-way street, where they both enjoy seeing each other having FUN.

I came about this relationship from my wife, when she points out hot-looking women to me:

Wife: "Did you see the miniskirt and stiletto heel boots across the street?"
Me: "Of course!"
Wife: "In your dreams. You know who you're going to bed with tonight."

Or she'll point out a waiter, saying "Oh, yeah. I'd do him." and I'll reply "Only if I can get video."

 

[tenyari]

If you need a whole paragraph to explain what a category term means, and still can't get people to agree, then it's a bad category name.

Loving Wives is just a bad term, the reflexive interpretation of that is happy monogamy. Not happy unfaithfulness.

Cuckhold doesn't by definition mean lack of agreement or consent. But it does by definition mean the woman has a male partner outside the marriage. You need almost no extra wording to explain how a cuckhold story might also be a happy one.

And it's almost instantly going to warn off people who are looking to read about monogamy. Whereas until I read the 'details' - the term 'Loving Wives' implies monogamy. Having a category name where the normal meaning of the term is the opposite of how it's being used just creates confusion.

I don't view the people review slamming stories in the LW category as troll, I view them as the ones who by normal English are actually correct.

A reader should not need an instruction manual to understand what a 2 word category name stands for.

And if 'cockhold' seems to negative... something actually descriptive like "extramarital adventures" or whatever.
- Something that doesn't require an instruction manual to understand.

 

[AlinaX]

Gods, imagine a whole category of wives loving only their husbands... Isn't that the very definition of unerotic?

 

[tenyari]

Gods, imagine a whole category of wives loving only their husbands... Isn't that the very definition of unerotic?

Does that not speak to the heart of the issue though.

The category that one finds boring is the category another is seeking. And when the name of a section matches the second person's goal, but the actual intent of the section matches the first - you have a badly named category.

I know to avoid the categories I am not interested in. But I do NOT know to avoid that categories that have labels that might match what I seek, but contents that do not. Except for LW, only because I read this forum. Had I not read this forum, I would have found myself extremely confused in there.

 

[AlinaX]

It takes seconds to appreciate that Loving Wives has nothing to do with monogamy. Indeed, readership divides fairly neatly into those who enjoy watching a woman discover pleasure in the arms of many, and those who enjoy seeing her suffer in consequence. But perhaps we could use an additional category labelled 'Strictly Monogamous'.

 

[susurrus]

The big problem is: Loving Wives is the catchall for what could be a dozen or more other categories. There's been debate over this regarding bisexual stories over on another thread I belong to. Yes, it's a poor description for many of the stories that end up there, but there are definitely stories on that cat that fit the description.

 

[Lifestyle66]

If you need a whole paragraph to explain what a category term means, and still can't get people to agree, then it's a bad category name.

...

And if 'cockhold' seems to negative... something actually descriptive like "extramarital adventures" or whatever.
- Something that doesn't require an instruction manual to understand.

Extramarital adventures or whatever?

DUH! The category SAYS; "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more." It's one sentence for those who can't understand "LOVING wives".

But maybe they should have a separate "Burn-the-Bitch" category defined as "Insecure husbands with cheating wives", and separate from the "Secure Couples" category defined as "Couples who don't own each other's sex organs."

Based on the etymology of the word "cuckhold" (derived from the Cuckoo bird, which leaves it's eggs for other birds to raise), this should imply husbands who are raising kids fathered by some other guy with the cheating wife. It wouldn't be just about sex, but pregnancy and deception. But in todays world, people are ignorant and make up their own dictionaries.