How many people can the US support?

[renard_ruse]

Now that we're about to open immigration to anyone who can manage to get to the US, we need to start planning as a society for the ramifications.

We need to start building infrastructure to accomodate up to several hundred million more new arrivals over the next few decades (I'm going with the low end estimate on that one).

Sure, there is time for the big party over defeating the "hatefilled right wing xenophobes" for a few weeks, but common sense dictates that we start planning for the consequences of open influx.

Now that the issue is settled, we need to look to the future and mitigate the potential negative effects of such a drastic policy change, and all drastic policy changes have at least some negative effects.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No no, just ignore it. We aren't getting immigration reform and even if we did there is no reason to think we'd get a massive influx that we didn't want or couldn't handle.

 

[renard_ruse]

No no, just ignore it. We aren't getting immigration reform and even if we did there is no reason to think we'd get a massive influx that we didn't want or couldn't handle.

We're not getting immigration reform? How do you figure that? Both parties are drooling on themselves to see who can claim credit for getting it through fastest.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Well, China has more than 3X the present U.S. population and is roughly the same in land-area, and they're not starving. I guess the U.S. can support at least that many. More, with hi-tech agriculture and industry -- we're still way ahead of China in those respects, for now.

 

[Shagly]

Now that we're about to open immigration to anyone who can manage to get to the US, we need to start planning as a society for the ramifications.

We need to start building infrastructure to accomodate up to several hundred million more new arrivals over the next few decades (I'm going with the low end estimate on that one).

Sure, there is time for the big party over defeating the "hatefilled right wing xenophobes" for a few weeks, but common sense dictates that we start planning for the consequences of open influx.

Now that the issue is settled, we need to look to the future and mitigate the potential negative effects of such a drastic policy change, and all drastic policy changes have at least some negative effects.

The entire Earth from what Obamason thinks.

 

[hogjack]

The Founding Fathers envisioned a country with 10 to 15 billion citizens.

At least 2 billion would be decendents of Thomas Jefferson.

 

[bumlicker]

Oh no

Great just what we need more Irish bartenders and nannys like seanny h

 

[Sean Renaud]

We're not getting immigration reform? How do you figure that? Both parties are drooling on themselves to see who can claim credit for getting it through fastest.

Except they aren't. Certainly not in any meaningful way. You honestly think that when McCain and Kennedy couldn't accomplish it with a Democrat majority and no Tea Party that a world with the Tea Party won't at best end in a filibuster?

 

[KRCummings]

Immigrants always bring their crazy ass sports here and then we have to put up with a year or two of ESPN trying to make people watch. You want to be a citizen? Fine. You need to do two things. 1. Speak fucking English motherfucker. 2. Learn to like football and baseball and shut the fuck up about anything else. We don't care.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Great just what we need more Irish bartenders and nannys like seanny h

"All right! We'll give some land to the niggers and the chinks! But we don't want the Irish!"

-- Blazing Saddles

 

[KingOrfeo]

Chinese eat anything that crawls, swims, flies, slithers etc etc etc.

[shrug] So, they're just like the French in that regard. France ain't near to straining its carrying-capacity, and the French have proved their ability to survive in North America.

 

[brw02]

The French have outsmarted the Americans repeatedly. At the same time, they have outsmarted everyone else. They know when to pick their batlles, and they know when to stay home and shut up. They were overrun by the Nazi forces but they won in the end. They always do. And they are far ahead of us in the battle against Islamic extremists. They have better intelligence than we do and they understand the dynamics of the use of military force. I don't believe that the French are smarter than we are, but they seem to make the smarter choices. They knew that Iraq could become a quagmire and they stayed out of it. They realized that they could make a positive contribution in Afghanistan and they committed to the NATO action there after 9/11. Maybe we should pay more attention to them.

 

[Liar]

When the baby boomers all retire, you're gonna be begging for immigrants and competing for them with Europe.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Wrong question.


How many people can Socialism support?

(Because Capitalism has no limits.)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The French have outsmarted the Americans repeatedly. At the same time, they have outsmarted everyone else. They know when to pick their batlles, and they know when to stay home and shut up. They were overrun by the Nazi forces but they won in the end. They always do. And they are far ahead of us in the battle against Islamic extremists. They have better intelligence than we do and they understand the dynamics of the use of military force. I don't believe that the French are smarter than we are, but they seem to make the smarter choices. They knew that Iraq could become a quagmire and they stayed out of it. They realized that they could make a positive contribution in Afghanistan and they committed to the NATO action there after 9/11. Maybe we should pay more attention to them.

We love the brilliant tactics employed at Dien Bien Phu...





iMaginot that!

 

[hogjack]

The French have outsmarted the Americans repeatedly.

Are the French soldiers waiting inside the Statue of Liberty still alive?

Tremendous patience. They really should commence with the attack.

 

[mercury14]

Wrong question.


How many people can Socialism support?

(Because Capitalism has no limits.)

Unless there's unemployment.

Or the free market determines that a chunk of jobs should not pay a livable wage.

Of if someone making $17k per year needs $30k of medical care. Or their kid does.

Or globalization puts jobs in India

Of there are people who retire

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Stalin had the right idea. Once in control of Russia he murdered all the farmers and replaced them with chalky perfessers and their pupils. Millions died of starvation.

FDR had the right idea. Once in control of the USA he poured all the milk down the sewers and killed much of the livestock, then made it a crime to grow a garden.

 

[tactful]

48%, are we there yet?

 

[Sean Renaud]

When the baby boomers all retire, you're gonna be begging for immigrants and competing for them with Europe.

Doubtful. There really isn't a whole lot of need for labor in this nation.

Wrong question.


How many people can Socialism support?

(Because Capitalism has no limits.)

Socialism can handle as many people or possibly more than capitalism but neither system really has an upper limit.

 

[Liar]

Doubtful. There really isn't a whole lot of need for labor in this nation.

Unless you start pooping out an extra kid or two per family now, your age distribution curve is gonna look like a mushroom in 10-20 years. That's expensive and leaves a substantial gap in the job market to fill.

Plus, immigrants are cheaper than domestics, they come pre-educated.

 

[Lancecastor]

You want to be a citizen? Fine. You need to do two things. 1. Speak fucking English motherfucker. 2. Learn to like football and baseball and shut the fuck up about anything else. We don't care.

Actually, the USA is becoming less of a Melting Pot of assimilation and more like a Cultural Mosaic of rich ethnic diversity, like Canada.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Unless you start pooping out an extra kid or two per family now, your age distribution curve is gonna look like a mushroom in 10-20 years. That's expensive and leaves a substantial gap in the job market to fill.

Plus, immigrants are cheaper than domestics, they come pre-educated.

Who cares if the age distribution is wonky? We live in a world where the majority of work has very little to do with your physical strength, hell much of it can be done from home. You simply don't need as many people as you once did.

 

[Lancecastor]

Who cares if the age distribution is wonky? We live in a world where the majority of work has very little to do with your physical strength, hell much of it can be done from home. You simply don't need as many people as you once did.

While it may be your personal paradigm to do as little work as possible, a fine goal, the truth is that yes, there is a lot of lifting and toting required to keep things running.

We Baby Boomers are concerned about who is going to wash our ass and pay for our health care, drive our golf buggies, etc.

For that, we need a big pool of affordable labor.

It's doubtful You will be adding much to the public coffers..you're probably a net loss to the Economy...so more Friendly Affordable Latinos would be helpful.

 

[Sean Renaud]

While it may be your personal paradigm to do as little work as possible, a fine goal, the truth is that yes, there is a lot of lifting and toting required to keep things running.

We Baby Boomers are concerned about who is going to wash our ass and pay for our health care, drive our golf buggies, etc.

For that, we need a big pool of affordable labor.

It's doubtful You will be adding much to the public coffers..you're probably a net loss to the Economy...so more Friendly Affordable Latinos would be helpful.

First, it has been the goal of humanity since the beginning to do as little work as possible. The reality is that the amount of lifting and toting required to keep things running in this country is low and decreasing each and everyday. I can already sense your skepticism.

How many jobs will be lost when we finally slash the Post Office? We're already witnessing bookstores, music stores and movie stores shutting down en masse because of digital distribution. How many of the existing stores have automated check out these days? I already don't leave the house to shop for anything other than food and shoes. Why should I when I can order it over the internet? I'm not saying we don't need ANY labor, I'm saying that the amount needed is a lot less than at any time in the past.

I'm a net gain to the economy. I'm a business owner. Though more Latinos would be great for business since they do a lot of business with me.