How many black/brown Litsters are just too dumb to get ID?

[Aglaopheme]

Yes, don’t get bogged down in the weeds. Voter fraud is not a problem. Forget that not everyone drives, forget that states are closing or limiting hours that their DMVs are open in poor, rural areas populated by people of color.

https://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/09/voter_id_and_drivers_license_o.html

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/pol...es-could-close-along-83-others-texas-dps-list

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Yes, don’t get bogged down in the weeds. Voter fraud is not a problem. Forget that not everyone drives, forget that states are closing or limiting hours that their DMVs are open in poor, rural areas populated by people of color.

https://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/09/voter_id_and_drivers_license_o.html

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/pol...es-could-close-along-83-others-texas-dps-list

https://78.media.tumblr.com/7acb7eab01e0099e0391c94e35984cf9/tumblr_nrx7bbvz9v1qz5r5lo1_500.gif

But Mr. I'm Gonna Have A New Grandson needed to get off a funny against those dumb blacks n' brownies before heading off to the stork landing pad, so let's have a chuckle, y'know?

 

[LupusDei]

I'm not American. I can't even actually speak English. Said that, I find this whole issue fascinating. I understand the concern. I understand the dismissal of it. Both are legit positions with at least some truth to them.

But here the big question.

If Dems are so concerned about this, why they not divert some part of their campaign money for practical help to potential voters? Or do they already?

That could be more effective than TV adds or at least it might give good points to have TV adds about.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Personally I think you have your head so far up Trump's ass you can smell porn start pussy on his breath, and if he tells you millions of illegals are voting, you believe him.

"Fuck you Trumper!!!" Yea...that's what I thought.

The only real reason anyone has against voter ID, but not in any other circumstance, is because they want non-citizens voting, because (D).

 

[Kirkrapine]

If Dems are so concerned about this, why they not divert some part of their campaign money for practical help to potential voters? Or do they already?

I believe they do, but only on a campaign-by-campaign basis. Both major American parties have difficulty in taking collective action of any kind -- their organization is too decentralized -- unlike, say, a Euro-style party, with membership dues and membership cards and mechanisms for expulsion.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Who the heck has ever said that they want illegals voting?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Who the heck has ever said that they want illegals voting?

Most Democrats....they won't admit it directly.

But they will dance around it all fucking day.

That's why they are totally ok with all the ID requirements for everything else including exercising their constitutionally protected rights.

But not voting.....

There is only 1 reason why they are against that.....it would seriously shit on their voters and everyone knows it.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Oh good. We both agree that no one says that and you made it up to fit your narrative.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh good. We both agree that no one says that

Yes.

and you made it up to fit your narrative.

No. That's my explanation for why (D)'s are totally OK with ID for EVERYTHING else, including the exercise of more than one Constitutionally protected civil rights.

But voter ID is racist evil along with anyone who isn't against voter ID.



Is there any other reason why ID is racist evil but ONLY with regard to voting??

 

[mAnn_Tagonist]

Who the heck has ever said that they want illegals voting?

Nobody but triggered bitches.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Another liar for the pile.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Another liar for the pile.

Oh so you can't give a single solitary reason why (D)'s and only super partisan (D)'s are so vehemently against ID, which is racist, but only with regard to voting.


Not at all racist when you're driving, getting on an airplane, protesting or buying a gun though......

No solid reasoning from the "educated" democrats to explain that glaring discrepancy??

Just name calling.....

Imagine that.

https://media.giphy.com/media/130N8G6vmU9ZEA/giphy.gif

 

[DeluxAuto]

Exposing a liar's lie is hardly name calling.

 

[mAnn_Tagonist]

Got your papers, comrade?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Holy crap

you get on the voter list, then when you go vote you show ID to prove you are you and not your neighbor voting for you because he knows you won't get off your lazy ass to do it yourself.

Why is it such an argument over showing ID to vote

wait...something for Dems to cry about the poor downtrodden over

There really is not an argument over showing an ID to vote, per se. The argument is around:

- Not having an ID requirement effectively constitute a Poll Tax, or be used to create an economic barrier to voting solely for the purpose of preventing an otherwise eligible voter from voting.
- Having the states selectively accept ID that prejudices the process to favor one part of the electorate over another. For example, Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards.

And because the incidence of failing to have an ID actually impacting an election approaches zero, it is like bellyaching that kids are not required have swimming lessons before they go rock climbing.

 

[Que]

There really is not an argument over showing an ID to vote, per se. The argument is around:

- Not having an ID requirement effectively constitute a Poll Tax, or be used to create an economic barrier to voting solely for the purpose of preventing an otherwise eligible voter from voting.
- Having the states selectively accept ID that prejudices the process to favor one part of the electorate over another. For example, Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards.

And because the incidence of failing to have an ID actually impacting an election approaches zero, it is like bellyaching that kids are not required have swimming lessons before they go rock climbing.

"Effectively"

It is a nominal charge for something nearly everyone ALREADY HAS. At issue is not that you are forced to go out and buy an ID; it's just the fact that you have to show the ID that virtually every single upstanding citizen in America already has. In the instance that someone cannot find their perfectly valid ID on Election Day there are provisional ballots available. It would be a pretty simple matter to make IDs free to anyone who merely checks a box that says I can't afford this $10 or whatever it is. Democrats are huge proponents of programs to help the needy but I haven't ever heard a single Democrat suggest making ID cards free because you don't want ID cards at any price. And it's perfectly obvious why you do not want voters identified.

Hell, the ninth circuit says that Arizona can't even demand that voters prove that they are actual citizens. Why is that? Since of course no illegal alien in the history of this country has ever voted or would even consider voting, even when Obama assured the vast pool of illegal aliens that no government agency would be concerned about that and that voting is part of citizenship.

You can't get a gun permit without already showing government ID which means you already showed your driver's license to get the gun permit. You didn't have to do that to get a student ID. You can get a student ID if you're not a citizen. You don't even have to be a voting age to get a student ID.

 

[chillywilly2]

There really is not an argument over showing an ID to vote, per se. The argument is around:

- Not having an ID requirement effectively constitute a Poll Tax, or be used to create an economic barrier to voting solely for the purpose of preventing an otherwise eligible voter from voting.
- Having the states selectively accept ID that prejudices the process to favor one part of the electorate over another. For example, Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards.

And because the incidence of failing to have an ID actually impacting an election approaches zero, it is like bellyaching that kids are not required have swimming lessons before they go rock climbing.

Do you have voters lists.
Here when you get a card in the mail, generally, and show that with Picture ID when you go to vote. Then they stroke you off and you vote.
If you don't get the card its because you moved or weren't already on the list and you call and get yourself put on the list.
Hell, my MIL was on the list and voted for years before she found out that she wasn't supposed to because she wasn't a citizen.
Its easy enough to do and you just gotta give a shit, a little one, before election day and like magic you can vote.
I know I sure wouldn't want a bunch or feriners voting when they weren't supposed to, even if they did vote for the guys I like

 

[Que]

Do you have voters lists.
Here when you get a card in the mail, generally, and show that with Picture ID when you go to vote. Then they stroke you off and you vote.
If you don't get the card its because you moved or weren't already on the list and you call and get yourself put on the list.
Hell, my MIL was on the list and voted for years before she found out that she wasn't supposed to because she wasn't a citizen.
Its easy enough to do and you just gotta give a shit, a little one, before election day and like magic you can vote.
I know I sure wouldn't want a bunch or feriners voting when they weren't supposed to, even if they did vote for the guys I like

According to Democrats that makes you a racist.

 

[chillywilly2]

According to Democrats that makes you a racist.

Strange bunch those democrats

 

[DeluxAuto]

Strange bunch those democrats

Don't believe the lies.

 

[milehighcityman]

No, each state gets to set its own standards there. That's one of many little inconveniences implicit in a federal system.

The Federal Real ID act sets forth what the requirements are for an ID to be recognized by the federal government. Most states are now in compliance with that act.

In my state a person can get a state issued ID card as opposed to drivers license and it only costs $10. There is also a waiver program where that $10 fee can be waived as well.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

"Effectively"

It is a nominal charge for something nearly everyone ALREADY HAS. At issue is not that you are forced to go out and buy an ID; it's just the fact that you have to show the ID that virtually every single upstanding citizen in America already has. In the instance that someone cannot find their perfectly valid ID on Election Day there are provisional ballots available. It would be a pretty simple matter to make IDs free to anyone who merely checks a box that says I can't afford this $10 or whatever it is. Democrats are huge proponents of programs to help the needy but I haven't ever heard a single Democrat suggest making ID cards free because you don't want ID cards at any price. And it's perfectly obvious why you do not want voters identified.

Hell, the ninth circuit says that Arizona can't even demand that voters prove that they are actual citizens. Why is that? Since of course no illegal alien in the history of this country has ever voted or would even consider voting, even when Obama assured the vast pool of illegal aliens that no government agency would be concerned about that and that voting is part of citizenship.

You can't get a gun permit without already showing government ID which means you already showed your driver's license to get the gun permit. You didn't have to do that to get a student ID. You can get a student ID if you're not a citizen. You don't even have to be a voting age to get a student ID.

Charging a nominal fee to vote violates The Constitution. There are millions of legal Americans with no government issued photo ID.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The Federal Real ID act sets forth what the requirements are for an ID to be recognized by the federal government. Most states are now in compliance with that act.

In my state a person can get a state issued ID card as opposed to drivers license and it only costs $10. There is also a waiver program where that $10 fee can be waived as well.

But what do you need to get a state issued photo ID?

 

[HisArpy]

So you want a whole new government program whereby every citizen proves their citizenship and gets a gold star on their driver's license.

lol, you just can't make this shit up

No, apparently we can't just "make this shit up". Considering that "Real ID" is the law, and has been for awhile now, no one is just "making this shit up".

But you know, keep on with the Nazi/Hitler references to cover up the fact that what you don't know about the things you should know about can fill and entire encyclopedia set.

 

[HisArpy]

Yes, don’t get bogged down in the weeds. Voter fraud is not a problem. Forget that not everyone drives, forget that states are closing or limiting hours that their DMVs are open in poor, rural areas populated by people of color.

https://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/09/voter_id_and_drivers_license_o.html

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/pol...es-could-close-along-83-others-texas-dps-list

Yes, but according to a certain socialist, those "counryside" voters don't matter anyway. So what's the big deal?