How Global Warming Really Works

[TurdFergeson]

Glacier Girl


http://p38assn.org/images/p38s/gg/after-crash.jpg


http://p38assn.org/images/p38s/gg/downunder.jpg

That's crazy...

 

[Fagin]

That's crazy...

What's crazy about it?

The roughly three million dollars they spent to retrieve and restore it?
Not bad to be one of twenty-four surviving P-38's and to be one of six that are flyable.

The approximately 250 feet of ice that built up over it in the fifty years it was there?
But hey, the ice is melting. It should have been six hundred feet of ice over it by now.

 

[TurdFergeson]

What's crazy about it?

The roughly three million dollars they spent to retrieve and restore it?
Not bad to be one of twenty-four surviving P-38's and to be one of six that are flyable.

The approximately 250 feet of ice that built up over it in the fifty years it was there?
But hey, the ice is melting. It should have been six hundred feet of ice over it by now.

Everything..the mission conditions, the emergency landings..the rescue, and the eventual retrieval.

 

[Karen Kraft]

Richard S. Lindzen
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html

Obviously, that clown is a racist, probably voted for Palin, fawns over his useless parents and perhaps even a half-witted grandmother. I suspect he thinks Bush actually won in 2000 also.

A team player would never publish such crap unless he was in the tank for the huge oil companies and special interests who are trying to halt progress at every turn. If I were to Google his name, I'm quite certain that I would discover that his next door neighbor's dry cleaning shop lady's brother-in-law stole cable tv signal when he lived in West Hollywood in the 1980s.

Why would you pollute cyberspace with such slanted and dubious rhetoric? Particularly now that the Government has assured us that the threat is unquestionable?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/massachusetts/images/deforestation_large.jpg

There are more trees now in the US than when the Pilgrims arrived...

Perhaps we should cut more wood...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Obviously, that clown is a racist, probably voted for Palin, fawns over his useless parents and perhaps even a half-witted grandmother. I suspect he thinks Bush actually won in 2000 also.

A team player would never publish such crap unless he was in the tank for the huge oil companies and special interests who are trying to halt progress at every turn. If I were to Google his name, I'm quite certain that I would discover that his next door neighbor's dry cleaning shop lady's brother-in-law stole cable tv signal when he lived in West Hollywood in the 1980s.

Why would you pollute cyberspace with such slanted and dubious rhetoric? Particularly now that the Government has assured us that the threat is unquestionable?

SSSHHHhhh...

Be bewwy, barry, qwiet, ahm hunting Neo-cons on behalf of Dear Leader's Administration...

 

[TurdFergeson]

There are more trees now in the US than when the Pilgrims arrived...

Perhaps we should cut more wood...

Again, try to think globally.

 

[The_Trouvere]

That's a pretty big copy and paste job slug. Do you know what all the big words mean?

 

[unregistered]

 

[MayuM]

To paraphrase, people still get some traction from saying "the sky is falling!"

Selling armageddon and "End Is Nigh" has always been a good moneyspinner

 

[KingOrfeo]

Richard S. Lindzen
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html

Richard S. Lindzen.

 

[MayuM]

Richard S. Lindzen.

That's a wiki. Any one can edit a wiki. They're notable for being extremely biased and highly unreliable on any cntroversial subjects or persons.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

That's a wiki. Any one can edit a wiki. They're notable for being extremely biased and highly unreliable on any cntroversial subjects or persons.

More importantly, it's an attempt to impeach the source rather than to deal with the facts.

_______


Yes Le_Trouver, unlike you, I can read with comprehension.

We've been having the Glow-Ball Warning for ten years now at Lit and I've had to change my arguments not one wit while the alarmists keep telling me we only have ten years left to do something or the hothouse models screams wildly out of control into infinity turning us into the new Venus.

~MEANWHILE~

Despite Turd's melting Australia, we're in the grip of another round of record cool temperature for this time of year...

You see, my degree is in the SCIENCES not the ARTS.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That's a wiki. Any one can edit a wiki. They're notable for being extremely biased and highly unreliable on any cntroversial subjects or persons.

Dr. Richard S. Lindzen ( b. February 8, 1940) is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[1]
He is one of the leading global warming skeptics and is a member of the Science, Health, and Economic Advisory Council, of the Annapolis Center[1], a Maryland-based think tank which has been funded by corporations including ExxonMobil.[2] Writing in the Washington Post, Joel Achenbach wrote that "of all the skeptics, MIT's Richard Lindzen probably has the most credibility among mainstream scientists, who acknowledge that he's doing serious research on the subject."[3]

Lindzen has been a keynote speaker at media events and conferences of a range of think tanks disputing climate change including the Heartland Institute[4] and the Cooler Heads Coalition.[5][6][7]

Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Fossil Fuel Interests Funding
3 Lindzen's Discarded Global Warming Arguments
4 Linzden's Betting Challenge on Global Warming
5 On Tobacco
6 Key Quotes by Lindzen
7 Affiliations
8 Signatory to Letters Opposing Action on Global Warming
9 Articles and resources
9.1 Related SourceWatch articles
9.2 References
9.3 External links
9.3.1 Biographical notes
9.3.2 General Articles, Letters and Presentations by Linzden
9.3.3 Videos of Lindzen
9.3.4 Profiles on Lindzen
9.3.5 Articles

[edit]Background
His academic research involves studies of the role of the tropics in mid-latitude weather and global heat transport, the moisture budget and its role in global change, the origins of ice ages, seasonal effects in atmospheric transport, stratospheric waves, and the observational determination of climate sensitivity.[8] He has published numerous papers regarding meteorologic and atmospheric topics.[9]

[edit]Fossil Fuel Interests Funding
In a biographical note at the foot of a column published in Newsweek in 2007, Lindzen wrote that "his research has always been funded exclusively by the U.S. government. He receives no funding from any energy companies." (Emphasis added).[10]

Ross Gelbspan, journalist and author, wrote a 1995 article in Harper's Magazine which was critical of Lindzen and other global warming skeptics. In the article, Gelbspan reports Lindzen charged "oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; [and] his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC."[11]

A decade later Boston Globe columnist Alex Beam reported, based on an interview with Lindzen, that "he accepted $10,000 in expenses and expert witness fees from fossil- fuel types in the 1990s, and has taken none of their money since."[12]

[edit]Lindzen's Discarded Global Warming Arguments
An internal document (pdf) of the Global Climate Coalition (GCC) -- an industry front group that disbanded in 2002 -- reviewed some of the "contrarian" arguments used by Lindzen and other climate change skeptics that they later discarded. The document, which was obtained as part of a court action against the automobile industry[13].

In a section on the "Role of Water Vapor", the GCC's Science and Technical Advisory Committee wrote that "In 1990, Prof Richard Lindzen of MIT argued that the models which were being used to predict greenhouse warming were incorrect because they predicted an increase in water vapor at all levels of the troposphere. Since water vapor is a greenhouse gas, the models predict warming at all levels of the troposphere. However, warming should create convective turbulence, which would lead to more condensation of water vapor (i.e. more rain) and both drying and cooling of the troposphere above 5 km. This negative feedback would act as, a "thermostat" keeping temperatures from rising significantly."

However, the GCC's science advisers noted that this argument had been disproven to the point that Lindzen himself had ceased to use it. "Lindzen's 1990 theory predicted that warmer conditions at.the surface would lead to cooler, drier conditions at the top ofthe troposphere. Studies of the behavior of the troposphere in the tropics fail to find the cooling and drying Lindzen predicted. More recent publications have indicated the possibility that Lindzen's hypothesis may be correct, but the evidence is still weak. While Lindzen remains a critic of climate modeling efforts, his latest publications do not include the convective turbulence argument."[14]

In conclusion the GCC's science advisers was that "Lindzen's hypothesis that any warming would create more rain which would cool and dry the upper troposphere did offer a mechanism for balancing the effect of increased greenhouse gases. However, the data supporting this hypothesis is weak, and even Lindzen has stopped presenting it as an alternative to the conventional model of climate change."[15]

[edit]Linzden's Betting Challenge on Global Warming
In November 2004, climate change skeptic Richard Lindzen was quoted saying he'd be willing to bet that the earth's climate will be cooler in 20 years than it is today. When British climate researcher James Annan contacted him, however, Lindzen would only agree to take the bet if Annan offered a 50-to-1 payout. Subsequent offers of a wager were also refused by Pat Michaels, Chip Knappenberger, Piers Corbyn, Myron Ebell, Zbigniew Jaworowski, Sherwood Idso and William Kininmonth. At long last, however, Annan has persuaded Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev to take a $10,000 bet. "There isn't much money in climate science and I'm still looking for that gold watch at retirement," Annan says. "A pay-off would be a nice top-up to my pension."[16]

[edit]On Tobacco
In a 2001 profile in Newsweek, journalist Fred Guterl wrote that Lindzen "clearly relishes the role of naysayer. He'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking."[17]

[edit]Key Quotes by Lindzen
"I think it's [concern about global warming] mainly just like little kids locking themselves in dark closets to see how much they can scare each other and themselves." [18]
Lindzen told the BBC that ExxonMobil was "the only principled oil and gas company I know in the US" and that "they have a CEO who is not going to be bamboozled by nonsense."[19]
"To say that climate change will be catastrophic hides a cascade of value-laden assumptions that do not emerge from empirical science."[20]
"There is no substantive basis for predictions of sizeable global warming due to observed increases in minor greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, methane and chlorofluorocarbons." Lindzen speaking at the International Conference on Climate Change (2009).[21]
[edit]Affiliations
Member, Science, Health, and Economic Advisory Council, The Annapolis Center;[1]
[edit]Signatory to Letters Opposing Action on Global Warming
Leipzig Declaration on Global Climate Change [22][23]
"Open Letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations", December 13, 2007.[24]
[edit]Articles and resources
[edit]Related SourceWatch articles
Climate change
Climate change sceptics
[edit]References
↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 ."Richard Siegmund Lindzen", Massachusetts Institute of Technology, June 1, 2008.
↑ "Factsheet: Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy", ExxonSecrets.org, Greenpeace, accessed May 2009.
↑ Joel Achenbach, "The Tempest", Washington Post, May 28, 2006; W08.
↑ Heartland Institute, Speakers: The 2009 International Conference on Climate Change", Heartland Institute, March 5, 2009.
↑ "The Cooler Heads Coalition Presents On The Meaning of Global Warming Claims: A Congressional and Media Briefing By Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Climatologist Massachusetts Institute of Technology", Competitive Enterprise Institute, September 30, 2002.
↑ Richard Morrison, "IPCC: "More politics than science," scientist says", Environment & Climate News, May 2001.
↑ Paul Georgia, "IPCC report criticized by one of its lead authors", Environment & Climate News, June 2001.
↑ "Lindzen, Richard S.", Massachusetts Institute of Technology, accessed August 2008.
↑ "Publications", Massachusetts Institute of Technology, accessed August 2008.
↑ Richard Lindzen, "Why So Gloomy?", Newsweek, April 16, 2007.
↑ Ross Gelbspan, "The heat is on: The warming of the world's climate sparks a blaze of denial", Harpers Magazine, December 1995.
↑ Alex Beam, "MIT's inconvenient scientist", Boston Globe, August 30, 2006.
↑ Andrew C. Revkin, "Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate", New York Times, April 23, 2009.
↑ Global Climate Coalition, "Primer on Climate Change Science· Final Draft", January 18, 1996, page 14.
↑ Global Climate Coalition, "Primer on Climate Change Science· Final Draft", January 18, 1996, page 17.
↑ David Adam, "Climate change sceptics bet $10,000 on cooler world: Russian pair challenge UK expert over global warming", Guardian, August 19, 2005.
↑ Fred Guterl, "The Truth About Global Warming: The Forecasts Of Doom Are Mostly Guesswork, Richard Lindzen Argues--And He Has Bush's Ear", Newsweek, July 23, 2001.
↑ "Could Global Warming Kill Us?", Larry King Live, January 31, 2007.
↑ Lesley Curwen, "Science climate conflict warms up", BBC World Service, April 26, 2007.
↑ Craig D. Rose, "Sempra forums set to address global warming", San Diego Union-Tribune, February 14, 2007.
↑ "Is Global Warming a Myth?: How to respond to people who doubt the human impact on the climate", Scientific American, April 8, 2009.
↑ "Leipzig Declaration on Global Climate Change", Science and Environmental Policy Project, 1997.
↑ "Signatories to the Leipzig Declaration", Science and Environmental Policy Project, accessed May 2009.
↑ "Open Letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations", Heartland Institute, December 13, 2007.
[edit]External links
[edit]Biographical notes
"Richard S. Lindzen", Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences 9MIT), accessed May 2009.
[edit]General Articles, Letters and Presentations by Linzden
Richard Lindzen, "Global Warming, The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus", Regulation, Volume 15, Number 2, 1992.
Richard Lindzen, Testimony of Richard S. Lindzen Before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works", May 2, 2001.
Richard S. Lindzen, "Scientists' Report Doesn't Support the Kyoto Treaty", Wall Street Journal, June 11 2001.
Richard Lindzen, "Dangerous Warming Unlikely, MIT Climatologist Says", Environment & Climate News, November 2004. (This is an edited version of Lindzen's presentation to the Houston Forum on September 9, 2004).
Richard Lindzen, "Climate Alarm- Where Does It Come From?", George C. Marshall Institute, December 1, 2004.
Richard Lindzen, "Memorandum by Professor Richard S Lindzen, Massachusetts Institute of Technology", Select Committee on Economic Affairs Minutes of Evidence (UK), January 25, 2005.
"Examination of Witnesses (Questions 130-139): Professor Richard Lindzen", Select Committee on Economic Affairs Minutes of Evidence, January 25, 2005.
"Examination of Witnesses (Questions 140-150): Professor Richard Lindzen", Select Committee on Economic Affairs Minutes of Evidence, January 25, 2005.
Richard Lindzen, "Hockey Stick Paradox", CCNet, February 8, 2006.
Richard Lindzen, "Climate of Fear: Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence",Wall Street Journal, April 12, 2006.
Richard Lindzen, "Why So Gloomy?", Newsweek, undated but early 2007.
Richard Lindzen, "No Global Warming", Environment & Climate News, Heartland Institute, August 2006.
Richard Lindzen, "Climate Alarm: What We Are Up Against, and What to Do", Presentation to the Heartland Institute's International Conference on Climate Change (2009), March 8, 2009. (The video of the subsequent "Questions and Answers" session can be downloaded here).
Richard Lindzen, "Climate Science: Is it currently designed to answer questions?", Creativity and Creative Inspiration in Mathematics, Science, and Engineering: Developing a Vision for the Future conference, 29-31 August 2008. The conference was sponsored by Euresis (Associazone per la promozione e la diffusione della cultura e del lavoro scientifico) and the Templeton Foundation and held in San Marino. Lindzen's paper is dated November 29, 2008.
Richard Lindzen, "Global Warming & Greentech: Why global warming is unlikely to be a safe area for investment", Presentation at the GoingGreen East conference, Boston, March 11th, 2009. (See here for the video of his presentation)
[edit]Videos of Lindzen
Richard Lindzen, Presentation to the Second annual International Conference on Climate Change in New York, March 10, 2009.
[edit]Profiles on Lindzen
"Richard Lindzen", DeSmlogBlog, accessed May 2009.
"Factsheet: Richard Lindzen", ExxonSecrets, Greenpeace, accessed May 2009.
"Richard Lindzen," Wikipedia.
Fred Guterl, "The Truth About Global Warming: The Forecasts Of Doom Are Mostly Guesswork, Richard Lindzen Argues--And He Has Bush's Ear", Newsweek, July 23, 2001.
[edit]Articles
Ross Gelbspan, "The Heat is On: The warming of the world's climate sparks a blaze of denial," Harper's magazine, December 1995.
Daniel Grossman, Dissent in the Maelstrom,"Scientific American, November 2001.
"Lindzen, Richard Siegmund," ISIHighlyCited.com, February 4, 2003.
Tim Lambert, "'Sound Science' and Climate change", Deltoid (blog), March 6, 2004.
Conal Walsh, "'Denial lobby' turns up the heat: The vocal minority sceptical of the threat of global warming are now targeting the UK," Observer, March 6, 2005.
Gavin Schmidt, "Richard Lindzen’s HoL testimony", RealClimate, February 14, 2006.
"Open Thread on Lindzen Op-Ed in WSJ Group", RealClimate, April 12, 2006
Daniel Kirk-Davidoff, [http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/04/lindzen-point-by-point/ "Lindzen: Point by point", RealClimate, April 13, 2006.
Tim Lambert, "Richard Lindzen claims global warming stopped in 1998", Deltoid (blog), May 15, 2006.
Tim Lambert, "Lindzen in WSJ", Deltoid (blog), June 26, 2006.
Jim Hoggan, "Ambiguous scientific statements about climate are hyped by those with a vested interest in alarm", DeSmogBlog October 12, 2006.
Richard Lindzen", Logical Science, accessed February 2007.
Gavin Schmidt and Michael Mann, "Lindzen in Newsweek", Real Climate, April 17, 2007.
Michael Tobis, "Lindzen Diatribe", Only in it for the Gold'' (blog), September 23, 2008.
Werner Aeschbach-Hertig, "Politicizing Climate Science", Reality Check, October 4, 2008.

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Which part do you find incredible?

 

[KingOrfeo]

More importantly, it's an attempt to impeach the source rather than to deal with the facts.

Ad hominem is not always a fallacy. The most important piece of information in any message is the name of the messenger.

 

[TurdFergeson]

Obviously we are implementing climate change mitigation ("sunscreen chemtrails") more in the Northern Hemisphere then in the Southern.

Which is only logical since 90% of Earth's population lives North of the Equator.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25987685-421,00.html

 

[Ishmael]

Richard S. Lindzen
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html

It works real well. I'm thinking that if all the believers were to die tomorrow, the problem would be solved for everyone.

Ishmael

 

[The_Trouvere]

It works real well. I'm thinking that if all the believers were to die tomorrow, the problem would be solved for everyone.

Ishmael

You are not the most stupid wingnut here, Ish, but I do think you are the most vicious.

 

[trysail]

You are not the most stupid wingnut here, Ish, but I do think you are the most vicious.

Well, let's see. Are you calling the likes of Freeman Dyson, Ph.D., Michael Crichton, M.D., William Gray, Ph.D., Roy W. Spencer, Ph.D. and Richard Lindzen, Ph.D. "stupid wingnuts?"

'cause if you are, it seems to me you leave yourself open to the same apellation.



http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=27020910&postcount=122



Temperature records from NASA's
Goddard Institute for Space Studies:

Fort Smith, NWT, Canada
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=403719340000&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Coppermine, NWT, Canada
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=403719380005&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Anadyr, Siberia, Russia
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=222255630007&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Markovo, Siberia, Russia
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=222255510000&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Punta Arenas, Argentina
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=304859340004&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

San Antonio, Chile
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=301877840003&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Amundsen-Scot, Antarctica
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=700890090008&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Davis, Antarctica
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=700895710008&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Christchurch, New Zealand
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=507937800000&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Hokitika Aero, New Zealand
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=507936150000&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

 

[The_Trouvere]

Well, let's see. Are you calling the likes of Freeman Dyson, Ph.D., Michael Crichton, M.D., William Gray, Ph.D., Roy W. Spencer, Ph.D. and Richard Lindzen, Ph.D. "stupid wingnuts?"

'cause if you are, it seems to me you leave yourself open to the same apellation.

I was referring to the wingnuts on the Literotica General Board. These seldom indicate any knowledge beyond their own lives and any understanding beyond a few cliches and talking points. Several have problems with spelling and grammar.

The informed consensus is that the global warming is a serious problem, and that it is caused by human activities.

 

[trysail]

"Aliens Cause Global Warming," a speech by the late Michael Crichton:

http://www.michaelcrichton.com/speech-alienscauseglobalwarming.html

"...There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period...
...I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough... "

 

[The_Trouvere]

"Aliens Cause Global Warming," a speech by the late Michael Crichton:

http://www.michaelcrichton.com/speech-alienscauseglobalwarming.html

"...There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period...
...I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough... "

There are a few scientists with PhD's who claim to disbelieve in evolution. That does not mean that evolution is not a reality. For years the tobacco industry was able to find scientists who claimed that tobacco did not cause lung cancer.

 

[trysail]

There are a few scientists with PhD's who claim to disbelieve in evolution. That does not mean that evolution is not a reality. For years the tobacco industry was able to find scientists who claimed that tobacco did not cause lung cancer.

We ain't talkin' "a few" here. We're talking thousands. 19,000 scientists have signed a petition saying global warming probably is natural and not a crisis. See the complete list at:
http://www.oism.org/pproject

"Most men would rather die than think."
-Bertrand Russell

 

[TurdFergeson]

http://www.ajax.ehu.es/VEX/Venus.Earth/Venus.Earth.jpg

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Le_Trouve, which Science is your degree in again?




To you informed consensus means all the Socialists you know.

Most of whom have BA's just like you...