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How does one know what the devil people want? (PC/feedback)

minsue said:
I'm so disillusioned now. *sob*
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You think YOU'RE disillusioned? How'd you like to have folks hurling barbed comments, sly innuedos, and scathing comments while looking down their noses at you everytime some subject related to the atom comes up? It's the type of thing that can make a fella all skittish, let me tell you. :)

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
scraping backwards is still scraping

What is the sound of one hand clapping backwards?
 
Commentary, from someone who knows what they are doing, always stings. I,at least, don't go to people I know are better than I am asking for critique without realizing, it's going to sting when it comes, no matter how nicely phrased. But I care eough about wanting o get better that I am willing to face that.

PC's are really an attaboy to me. They are specifically for the first function of critique you mentioned. Building up, encourageing, and in no small way, they are advertismement. If someone enjoys Shang stories and sees shang enjoyed X story, he or she might give X story a try. Or if someone noticed story X has ten favorable PC's they might give it whirl rather than try story spinner tonight.

I assume anyone asking for feedback is looking for some help. It's not always the case, but usually is.

I have seen your critique Shang. You are very gentle with the ego slaps :)

I don't think you should worry about it. If you try to help and author X gets Irate, you'll know better than to waste your time trying to help author X in the future. You have a significant level of skill and mastery of the techniques of the craft. Anyone who isn't willing to learn from what you tell them isn't likely to be interested in progressing as an author.
 
PC's i think are for Positive Comments,or at leasy up beat optimistic comments.

I think if someone has enabled the fature for folks to send email feedback then really they're asking for feedback of any kind, wether they know it or not. Any author would be happy to recieve constructful critiscism on a story, I know I would and as long as you don't send in a 17 page diatribe of everything that is so awful and the best way to put it straight, I think it would be well recieved.

Advice is probably best avoided, maybe saying "I noticed *this* in your story and it didn't read right/flow well etc etc. You might want to look at it for future works, give me a shout if you need help or a proof reader at all would work well. You're giving them the chance to ask for help but also giving them a platform to help themselves too.

:)

Well, thats my opinion anyway :)
 
Apparently when people say they want comments, they don't want anything negative, even if the following is what their story looks like:

ok so Penny wakl into her bedroom
"im so bord" she goes o the mirror
ron hi
OMGF "ron im SOOO gald u heer@ he give her a hug

Even the nicest grammar/spelling/formatting comments I see usually get hateful nasty comments from the author and other commenters. Even if the story's a piece of crap that not even a five year old could stand, there are always numerous "Oh, that was sooo good! Please post more soon!" dittoheads who want more crap, I guess.

So don't post anything negative unless you want to get flamed by idiots, even when it's true. ::shrug::
 
[stupid comment]You know, it's true that the English language all boils down to what emphasis you put where. When I first read this title, Shang, I read it as "How does one know what the devil-people want?" LOL :D :devil: I apologize in advance for being a dork.[/stupid comment]
 
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I always thought of PC's as being like the little elipsis-filled clips you see in movie ads: "... a rollicking good time!", "... a refreshing new take on mother-son anal didlo incest!" That kind of thing. It's your comments as you walk out of the theatre. You know the author's going to read them, but you're also talking to the people waiting in line, telling them what you thought.

I usually confine real critiques to people who ask for comments on the Feedback board or the Story Discussion Circle. I just assume these people are looking to start a public discussion of their story and want to hear the bad with the good. I'm often wrong. A lot of them are just looking for praise and get angry at anything else.

It bothers me too when people leave anonymous digs at your story, but I understand why they do it. You don't always want to get into a big discussion with the author about whether eating menstrual blood is sexy or not, or why it bothers you that he or she doesn't know how to use quotation marks. You just want to drop them a note telling them "echh" or "learn to punctuate" and move on.
 
So don't post anything negative unless you want to get flamed by idiots, even when it's true. ::shrug::
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well that sucks :(

PC might as well stand for "politically correct" then.

I want to be able to say what I really feel, anonymous or not. I can certainly be kind about it, but if I feel spellcheck was needed, or an editor, or some plot twist seemed off or characterization was flat, whatever...

I know people get protective about their "babies" (i.e. stories :)) but how do we grow as writers if we're not given HONEST feedback?

I mean, have any of you ever watched American Idol? There are really people out there who truly BELIEVE they can sing (William Hung really thought he could!!) and sometimes Simon is the only one willing to step in and tell them the truth. And sometimes it's the first time anyone has had the cajones to say it to them. The same goes with writing, I think...

Although I think we can all be a little more kind than Simon... :)
 
If I leave a PC, I'm usually very nice. Occasionally, if the story was good, but the subject wasn't something that turns my crank I'll say so.

If I liked the story, but think it needs something, I'll send an private comment of some description.

If it blows, I just back click.
 
AppleBiter said:
[stupid comment]You know, it's true that the English language all boils down to what emphasis you put where. When I first read this title, Shang, I read it as "How does one know what the devil-people want?" LOL :D :devil: I apologize in advance for being a dork.[/stupid comment]
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Did we ever figure out who the devil-people are and what they want? :D
*runs away*
 
OhMissScarlett said:
Oh, well that's easy. ;)
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It's so kind of you to sacrifice your panties to the devil people for the greater good. Now we just have to stop being distracted by thoughts of a pantless Scarlett...
 
Public or not

I think the crux of the matter is that PCs are PUBLIC.

If there is something wrong with the writing or the story, signed feedback or a PM is a more considerate way to convey the criticism.

Adverse PCs do not bother me. I only delete PCs when their relevance is past e.g. if I have edited the story to remove the errors mentioned, or if they were a discussion that is resolved.

Even in private, criticism can wound far more than the critic intended. I think that it is a difficult art to convey in printed words just the correct nuance of emphasis in criticism. I am no master of that art. I am willing to give anyone, including 'anonymous', the benefit of the doubt when a PC is left or feedback is sent and assume that even if they thought the story was rubbish they cared enough about me to take the trouble to write.

You can delete feedback, or respond to it if the writer has given their contact details. It is pointless to respond to a PC by posting another PC because the writer of the first PC is unlikely to revisit your story to see what effect the comment had. If possible, response to a PC should be by PM or e-mail.

My suggestion would be to be very mild in any criticism, private or public, unless you know the author well enough to judge their likely reaction.

Og (happy to take criticism, however harsh because the worst feedback he has had has usually been fair. Not so when I was jeanne_d_artois!)
 
I rarely leave PC. If I do, I try to be upbeat. If a story is really badly presented and I mean mispelling, misuse of words to the point that it is difficult to understand what the person is trying to say, missing or really improper punctuation, really bad holes in the plot/no plot I might be tempted to flame the writer a bit for wasting my time.

I try to use the feedback to become a better writer, rather than taking it as a personal attack on me.

That said, the phrase, "Stop me before I kill more!!!" have no place in either PCs or PMs.

JMHO.
 
oggbashan said:
... It is pointless to respond to a PC by posting another PC because the writer of the first PC is unlikely to revisit your story to see what effect the comment had.
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Not totally pointless though. The original PC may bring your story to the attention of someone who would otherwise not get there or before they get there. Then, depending on what the PC says, it may put them off reading the submission.....or colour their judgement when they do read it. If your PC in response clarifies something, you may not lose those prospective readers.
 
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OhMissScarlett said:
Hey, Don is cool. Though you look much younger. ;)
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And I'd have looked younger if I hadn't bowed to my mum's wishes. She hates it when my hair is shorn.
 
OhMissScarlett said:
Did we ever figure out who the devil-people are and what they want? :D
*runs away*
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No . . . and, admittedly, I'm kinda dissapointed. :D
 
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