How do Christians negatively affect your life?

[Chadrone]

Every civilisation has had cats. That doesn't mean cats are the key to civilisation.

Cats aren't a widely recognized critical component for social cohesion.

I've given you examples of how religion has impeded civilisation.

No you haven't, you've given me a bunch of "BUTT BAD THINGS!! STUFF I DON'T LIKE!!! REEE!!!".

Your FEE FEES aren't civilization.

You've given nothing to support your view.

I have, every single civilzation of any note has been built on religious social cohesion of some kind.

You can't name a SINGLE one that hasn't.....and you're ignoring that doesn't make it go away.

Once again, Ephesians 6:5-9

Once again "STUFF IN THE BIBLE I DON'T LIKE!!" doesn't change the fact that Catholicism was absolutely essential to the founding and rise of western civilization into what we have today.

 

[ll74]

This^^...... then even many of those who could within a civilized society wouldn't be able to stop when surrounded by the other humans who've gone feral. It's survival mode for everyone and that gets real ugly real fast.

Interesting that you use the word feral. But I wouldn't expect anything more from you

 

[LilKitKat]

Interesting that you use the word feral. But I wouldn't expect anything more from you

The Gate of the Feral Gods!

 

[Hel_Books]

Slavery gets shit done.

But not as well as freedom! Consider the Greeks vs. the Persians or the USA vs the Confederacy!

Anyway, I assume you mentioned slavery because it is endorsed by your Bible:

Ephesians 6:5-9

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ, 6 not with a slavery performed merely for looks, to please people, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the soul. 7 Render service with enthusiasm, as for the Lord and not for humans, 8 knowing that whatever good we do, we will receive the same again from the Lord, whether we are enslaved or free.

Now, to the real issue: can you give an example of how religion helped rather than hindered civilisation? No? Thought not.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Fortunately, they no more exist than do the monotheistic gods!

Well, I tend to agree with you but no one knows for sure, hence me being agnostic

People say "No one knows for sure," but it's not the same as saying, "No one knows for sure about the existence of life in other star systems," or, "No one knows for sure if there are infinitely many twin primes."

This idea of a deity is as flagrantly fabulist as ghosts or horoscopes. No one knows for sure about them, but . . .

 

[Chadrone]

Wrong again. But please keep trying.

More "BUTT BAD THING HAPPEND!!" LOL but please keep trying.

Still can't name a single civilization that didn't have a religious social glue though...or name one that didn't shit the bed shortly after trying to abolish or change it.

Your hatred of religion blinds you to reality.

 

[Chadrone]

Are all MAGA white males? Are all white males MAGA?

No but if you don't hate white males that does make you a white supremacist and misogginiez. So you might as well be MAGA.

Still waiting for my post where I hate all white males.

You're a progressive leftoid right??

That's literally your whole political shtick.....social justice...feminism...fuck white men.

All nazis, sure, happy to cop to that. I hope most people feel the same.

Yea see!! White = Nazi!!! Nothing hateful or racist about that.....

Do I hate all MAGA? I dont know if I'd use the word hate so much as strongly dislike and shake my head at ya...

so...still waiting.

Yea, how dare we not hate whitee or men enough for your liking, that's just terrible!!

Oh did you need more proof of your hatred of those fucking BORN NAZI SCUM known as white males or was calling them Nazis you'd shame for not being racist and sexist against themselves enough for your liking....LOL I guess that's just not enough.

 

[LilKitKat]

..Your hatred of religion blinds you to reality...

 

[Saint_Ann]

The Gate of the Feral Gods!

Do you put up a Christmas tree?

 

[LilKitKat]

No but if you don't hate white males that does make you a white supremacist and misogginiez. So you might as well be MAGA.



You're a progressive leftoid right??

That's literally your whole political shtick.....social justice...feminism...fuck white men.



Yea see!! White = Nazi!!! Nothing hateful or racist about that.....



Yea, how dare we not hate whitee or men enough for your liking, that's just terrible!!

funny assumptions

just like...me hating white males

still waiting on that post...

 

[LilKitKat]

Do you put up a Christmas tree?

My parents do and its where I celebrate Xmas eve and day.

My little place has xmas lights on the inside but I dont put up any santa claus hallmark bs otherwise.

 

[Hel_Books]

Catholicism was absolutely essential to the founding and rise of western civilization into what we have today.

Really? Why do you think that? I don't recall the Catholics being into free markets (that's why we have the stereotype of the Jewish banker!) or science (ask Galileo!) or peace and freedom (ask the numberless people punished for "heresy") or civil liberties and representative government (don't make me laugh!)

Perhaps the Dark Ages were so Dark because they turned away from the ideas of the ancient Greeks and the Roman Republic?

 

[Saint_Ann]

My parents do and its where I celebrate Xmas eve and day.

My little place has xmas lights on the inside but I dont put up any santa claus hallmark bs otherwise.

That doesn't bother you?

 

[Chadrone]

Ooooo kay.

Sure....west wing clip....Hollywood big not likey Christianity I guess??

If you were getting at something it's a bit vague, despite the common belief among women that men SHOULD be able to read minds, we actually can't.

 

[LilKitKat]

That doesn't bother you?

why would it? I celebrate xmas.

 

[LilKitKat]

Ooooo kay.

Sure....west wing clip....Hollywood big not likey Christianity I guess??

If you were getting at something it's a bit vague, despite the common belief among women that men SHOULD be able to read minds, we actually can't.

maybe watch the whole clip before commenting?
the takedown is excellent. just shows the hypocrisy and confusion for those that selectively follow the bible.
also, the president in this show is an active christian, says god bless america, blah blah plenty.

 

[Chadrone]

Really? Why do you think that?

Because I've studied the history of western civilization.

I don't recall the Catholics being into free markets (that's why we have the stereotype of the Jewish banker!)

Oh, your personal racist stereotypes..... fantastic source to base your reality on.

or science (ask Galileo!)

LOL, modern science was developed by the Catholic church. You REALLY should read a history book.

or peace and freedom (ask the numberless people punished for "heresy") or civil liberties and representative government (don't make me laugh!)

All things you have the most of in places that were established and built on Catholic roots.....

Perhaps the Dark Ages were so Dark because they turned away from the ideas of the ancient Greeks and the Roman Republic?

Wow..... you're historically illiterate and have no fucking clue what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Wrong again. But please keep trying.

More "BUTT BAD THING HAPPEND!!" LOL but please keep trying.

Still can't name a single civilization that didn't have a religious social glue though...or name one that didn't shit the bed shortly after trying to abolish or change it.

Your hatred of religion blinds you to reality.

Could it be that your religious faith blinds you? That's how religious faith is used by the powerful to manipulate the weak-minded, after all!

Anyway, I've given many examples of how religion has harmed and impeded civilisation. You've yet to give a single example to support your position. Yes, you've said something vague about "religious social glue" but that's simply drivel. Religion is hatred of the "other" and punishment of dissent, not societal good.

 

[Chadrone]

maybe watch the whole clip before commenting?
the takedown is excellent. just shows the hypocrisy and confusion for those that selectively follow the bible.
also, the president in this show is an active christian, says god bless america, blah blah plenty.

I watched it, I understand.

What I don't understand is it's relevance to my comment you posted to as a response.

I argue that religion is a critical social glue for civilization......you responded with that. LOL

 

[Wilson23]

Ooooo kay.

Sure....west wing clip....Hollywood big not likey Christianity I guess??

I remember the "CHARLTON HESTON IS MY PRESIDENT" bumper stickers -- I wanted one that said "MARTIN SHEEN IS MY PRESIDENT."

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
I don't recall the Catholics being into free markets (that's why we have the stereotype of the Jewish banker!)

Oh, your personal racist stereotypes..... fantastic source to base your reality on.

I point out that the church prohibited moneylending, allowing Jews to get into the banking business (because they were often barred from owning land which could be farmed) thus giving rise to the stereotype of the "Jewish banker" and you try to claim that makes me racist?

Go on, explain how the church helped the modern free market economy to develop, rather than hindering it.

 

[Wilson23]

I argue that religion is a critical social glue for civilization......

When the Bolsheviks suppressed Christianity, the Russians might have lost something -- but they did not lose any social glue.

 

[Chadrone]

Could it be that your religious faith blinds you?

No.

Anyway, I've given many examples of how religion has harmed and impeded civilisation.

No you haven't.

"BUT THING I DONT LIKE" isn't a harm or impediment to civilization.

It's just some shit you don't like.

You've yet to give a single example to support your position.

Every single civilization ever depended on one and fell apart the second they tried to change/abolish it.

You can't name a SINGLE one that didn't.

You're just deliberately ignoring that.

 

[Wilson23]

Every single civilization ever depended on one and fell apart the second they tried to change/abolish it.

Arab civilization did not fall apart when they went Muslim.

 

[Chadrone]

When the Bolsheviks suppressed Christianity, the Russians might have lost something -- but they did not lose any social glue.

Yea they just had to murder 20 million people instead....leaving a totally dysfunctional and traumatized shit show of a society.

Soooo much better.