How Different Is Ronald McDonald From Joe Camel?

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Mostly excerpted from an article in the July/August 2002 issue of "Men's Health" magazine.

According to the Surgeon General, 300,000 Americans die prematurely each year thanks to their weight, and obesity imposes an economic hit of more than $100 billion. That's more damage than is done by either smoking or drinking, according to a study by the Rand Corporation.

Overweight men are:
  • 120% more likely to develop stomach cancer (obese men, 330%)
  • 5% more likely to die of prostrate cancer (obese men, 21%)
  • 35% more likely to develop kidney cancer (obese men, 70%)
  • 40% more likely to develop gallstones (obese men, 130%)
  • 590% more likely to develop esophageal cancer (obese men, 1,520%)

Lately a growing number of academics, health professionals, politicians, and even lawyers have begun to agree that while preaching diet and excercise is fine, it's not enough. America, they say, needs to recognize junk food as a public-health menace on a par with alcohol and tobacco. And that means taxing, regulating - even suing - the nations big food companies.

"In my mind, our environment is responsible for the epidemic of obesity," says Kelly Brownell, Ph.D, a Yale University psychology professor. "We're sitting idly by while the food companies are selling us massive portions of unhealthy food."

Brownell and his allies believe its time to alter this environment. "A sense of militancy and outrage needs to develop, similar to the way people feel about the tobacco companies," he says. To change the culture, he and his colleagues talk of requiring nutrition information on restaurant menus, regulating food advertising, even imposing a "fat tax" on junk foods. Brownell won't go this far, but some rabid food reformers even advocate filing multimillion-dollar class-action lawsuits against giant junk-food companies.

Men's Health nationwide phone survey of men and women:
  • 23% of Americans favor levying a junk-food tax.
  • 19% of Americans want fast-food advertisements banned.
  • 25% of the population thinks obese people should be required to pay an additional surcharge for health insurance.
  • 54% of the population believes that people who maintain a healthy weight should receive discounts on their health insurance.

The fundamental problem, as Brownell puts it, is that "healthy food costs more and is harder to get. The unhealthy food is everywhere, and its cheap. And that should be reversed." It's tough to disagree. Coke machines and fast-food restaurants are ubiquitous - but just try finding fresh fruit along the highway. Meanwhile, the low cost of junk food has led to an explosion in portion sizes. In the 1950s, Coca-Cola came in 6 1/2-ounce bottles. Today a 20-ounce Coke is typical, and McDonald's will sell you a 42-ounce cup for about 2 bucks. (The difference between the 6 1/2-ounce and the 42-ounce servings is nearly 500 calories!)

But its not just that junk food is easier to find; it's also that it's marketed incessantly. The food industry spends $30 billion a year on advertising - with 70 percent of it pitching convenience foods, candy, soda, alcohol, and desserts. Only 2 percent promotes healthy stuff like vegetables, fruits, grains, and beans. True, the government makes some effort to educate us about nutrition, but it amounts to shouting in a hurricane. In 1999, McDonald's and Burger King together spent more than $1 billion on advertising: that same year the National Cancer Institute's "5-A-Day" campaign promoting fruits and vegetables had a budget of $1 million - one one-thousandth as much.

  • Overweight men are 19% more likely to die of any cause (obese men, 62%).
  • Overweight men are 19% more likely to die in a car crash (obese men, 37%)

Will Americans actually pay attention to get-healthy commercials? Michael Jacobson thinks so. He is the executive director of the Washington-based Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI). Jacobson advocates a junk-food tax. And he believes there's proof it can slim down America, provided the revenues are used to fund health campaigns. To make his case he plays a videotape of two advertisements CSPI ran repeatedly in Wheeling, West Virginia three years ago. The ads were designed, essentially, to discourage people from drinking high-fat milk. In one, a perky brunette in a supermarket warns that "one glass of whole milk has the artery-clogging fat of five strips of bacon. Just move your hand from here" - she shifts her hand from a carton of whole milk to a carton of low-fat milk - "to here!"

"we blasted those towns," Jacobson says. "The grocery stores were running out of low-fat milk" Indeed, CSPI's data shows that low-fat milk sales rose 50% during the test period. The lesson? "You can use education to change eating habits," Jacobson says.

John Banzhaf is a professor at George Washington University law school and infamous in the nation's capital - he encourages his law students to dream up, and actually file, their own lawsuits. Thirty years ago Banzhaf used ingenious legal tactics to have televised tobacco advertising banned, and in 1990 he won a prohibition against smoking on U.S. airline flights. ("I don't think I can talk about him without gagging," a tobacco executive once said.)

Banzhaf became interested in food last year, when a vegan student in his class was horrified to discover something about McDonald's french fries: Although the company had advertised its fries as cooked in "100 percent vegetable oil, "they actually contained a small amount of beef extract - described in the company's nutrition information only as a "natural flavor." Banzhaf saw a possible false-advertising lawsuit and put his students to work detailing it. A Hindu lawyer in Seattle took the case. Initially, Banzhaf says, people laughted when he described the suit. But in March word leaked that McDonald's intended to settle the class-action lawsuit for $12.4 million. (The money wll be spread mainly among vegetarian and religious groups.)

That McDonald's wouldn't take its chances in court and possibly set a legal precedent if it lost tells Banshaf the company has come to fear what a jury might think of its advertising practices.

Now Banzhaf is waiting to see what will happen to Big Daddy. That's the name of a Florida ice-cream brand whose supposed low calorie count made it a choice of Weight Watchers members around hte state. Alas, scoops of Big Daddy ice cream turned out to be three times as fattening as its packaging promised. The company calls it a screwup, but a class-action lawsuit is proceeding. More recently, notes Banzhaf, a disgruntled dieter filed a $50 million class-action lawsuit against the makers of Pirate's Booty cheese puffs, when Good Housekeeping magazine found that the diet snack food had 240 percent more fat than advertised.

Banzhaf says these cases are setting precedents and clearing a path for future litigation. "It certainly shows that such food-fruad suits are viable," he says. And if its possible to sue McDonald's for fibbing about the cooking processes, he asks, couldn't someone argue that hte company effectively lied by not making clear what was in its Big Macs?"

Banzhaf says that "lawyers call it deception by omission when a seller fails to tell a purchaser something he would want to know about." Drugs with nasty side efects, after all, are required to disclose them in their advertising. Products sold in stores have to disclose fat content - why not chain fat-burgers advertised on TV? "Take an ad you see for a triple-bacon cheeseburger supersize meal," says Banzhaf. "If its way over your recommended allowance of fat, that's a potential health and legal liability."

The law says you can get in trouble for implying health benefits when there are none. One of the first major jury awards against a cigarette company, in 1991, hinged on the way ads for cigarettes played up their supposed health benefits with slogans like L&M's "Just What the Doctor Ordered." Is it so different when pro basketball stars and steel-bunned starlets pitch things like Pepsi and Burger King?

Banzhaf believes that the food industry could one day be suied for billions by states that incur high health-care costs for their portly-citizens. But it won't be easy. Tobacco companies didn't just omit unpleasant facts - they actively lied and covered them up. Plus, linking heart disease to a diet, and then to a company like McDonald's, would require several long leaps. "The biggest problem is what lawyers call causation," Banzhaf says. "More than 90 percent of lung cancers are caused by smoking. But it's hard to tell what caused a heart attack. What percentage is obesity, versus other factors?" And was McDonald's 4 percent, versus 2 percent for Haagen-Dazs?

Banzhaf calls lawusits a "last resort" and says he prefers legislative approaches. But he insists that slim people shouldn't bear the health costs imposed by their hefty brethren. At the very least, he argues, health insurers should charge obese people higher premiums, just as they do smokers.

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They are the same. Advertising and propaganda. But, see, we have this thing called free will. You make the choice as to what you put in your body. And, you deal with the consequences. Joe Camel and Ronald McDonald didn't put a gun to your head and make you smoke cigarettes and eat happy meals.
 
Higher Premiums

Insurance companies who charge higher premiums should then be required to cover the cost of weight loss programs.

They also will need to recognize that obesity isn't all about American's eating french fries. There are certain genetic factors involved.
 
When I travel, I always buy fresh fruit for breakfast and snacks. You just have to work a little harder to find it. Even while living in the city of coissants and bernaise sauce, I always found my way to Auchan's for fresh fruit snacks.
 
Weight is a matter of what goes in, what comes out (out is through exercise and other things).
 
Re: Higher Premiums

MissTaken said:
Insurance companies who charge higher premiums should then be required to cover the cost of weight loss programs.

They also will need to recognize that obesity isn't all about American's eating french fries. There are certain genetic factors involved.


Ok say that insurance companies did charge higher premiums for obese people. Does it stop at that? Or do they come up with a genetic test to see if you're likely to become obese, and then claim it's a possible risk and therefore you have to pay the higher rates even though you are not "now" over weight?
 
Dillinger said:
  • Overweight men are 19% more likely to die of any cause (obese men, 62%).

All of these numbers and stats hurt my head. What does this mean exactly? If I'm not overweight I'll live forever?

Also McD's sells food. It might not be the best food available, but your body needs it. Joe Camel is pedalling tobacco. I have lived without that for a long time.
 
Dillinger said:
"In my mind, our environment is responsible for the epidemic of obesity," says Kelly Brownell, Ph.D, a Yale University psychology professor. "We're sitting idly by while the food companies are selling us massive portions of unhealthy food."
This could be the most ridiculous and ignorant statement I've ever heard in my life.

"Help me! I'm powerless against the onslaught of corporate advertising! I simply have to go to McDonald's! And I can't get a salad! I have to get a burger and fries! And not the smaller portions — I have to get the supersize meal with a Coke so big it can put out a house fire! I can't stop myself! I have no choice!"

This shit makes me want to barf.

TB4p
 
I agree. The only true part of that quote that is true for me personally is "We're sitting idly ..."

I sit on my butt most of the day at work. My grandparents had far more rigorous jobs. But that has nothing to do with fast food.
 
CoolidgEffect said:
I agree. The only true part of that quote that is true for me personally is "We're sitting idly ..."

I sit on my butt most of the day at work. My grandparents had far more rigorous jobs. But that has nothing to do with fast food.


I agree. How many people sit in front of a computer at least 8 hours a day? Does that mean MicroSoft is to blame?

I knew Bill Gates had something to do with it.
 
People in Paris eat richer food that what we have here (though there are lots of McDonalds too - and they do a brisk business also). Even with this, they are far less obese on the average than people from this country. They walk, and they walk, and they walk and they walk. They have beautiful walking boulevards and parks and plazas. Exercise makes a big difference, or maybe it's the red wine:confused:
 
cybergirly1989 said:



I agree. How many people sit in front of a computer at least 8 hours a day? Does that mean MicroSoft is to blame?

I knew Bill Gates had something to do with it.

That's it. We get fat staring at our computer that is getting fat on MicroSoft's bloated software!
 
Ron and Joe ain't it....

It's called choice, and education. Do they teach bodyweight concepts in school, or is that not PC to talk about fat people? And what's the study's objective? And what do they consider fat/overweight? Or,to get more grants from the fucking government, who in turn, will restrict our freedom to choose what we want to eat?
A couple of years ago, a politician was trying to introduce legislation that would require you to register at only one supermarket of your choice. Like an HMO, you could only shop there for groceries.
Oh yeah, if you bought too much fatty foods, your smart card (issued by gov't) would refuse you the purchase of those items THEY deem bad for you. Sounds like a good idea?

**I went through this shit in the military, they said I didn't fit the height/weight chart profile. I demanded a bodyfat caliper test, which showed 11% bodyfat! (the average for a male is 17%) I lifted weights and that weight was muscle density, plus genetically, I'm large framed.

:D
 
I'd like to see all fast food containers labeled with the caloric and nutritional values of the food. I think it's easy for people to scarf down a Super Value Meal without realizing that it contains more calories than is recommended for an entire day.

If people were a little more aware of how much fat they were injecting into their bodies with every McBurger, perhaps more people would limit their intake. A knowledgable consumer could easily be a more moderate consumer.

Of course, no fast food restaurant would ever voluntarily add this information to its food.
 
I disagree misch..I dont think by putting intake levels on fast food would help a bit. We are a society that wants the easy way out and its much easier to pick up burgers and fries, pizza, whatever on the way home than it is to work 10 hours then still have to make a dinner. The issue is the ease of access and lack of quality time at home. Parents today are frazzled with their hectic schedules then bombarded with time restraints getting little susy to dance class and little timmy to soccer practice. Its all about priorties, and unfortunately that new Lexus or promotion is more important.
 
Taxes

There is already debate going on about taxing what the government deems unhealthy food to pay for health education and hospital bills. I think this is ridiculous but eventually it will probably happen. Anything to get more of my money into their pockets.
 
I'm not saying it would work for everyone, but how many people are even aware of how many calories that stuff contains? It's easier to eat if you're head is firmly planted in the sand, but I bet it would be a little harder to swallow if you were staring at the 1,200 calorie label on the burger wrapper and 700 calorie label on that bucket o' fries.

If people still want to blame it on convenience, then fine. But I don't like giving anyone ammunition to blame anyone else for their choices. A simple label would prevent anyone from claiming they didn't know better. No one can successfully sue tobacco after the warning labels were afixed. I'm not saying that there is a legitimate lawsuit against fast food (because it is not), but one small step would prevent a lot of headaches in the fast food world.
 
opps, its possible I mistook your point. In this case I fully agree. Now put that french fry down and get that threatning look of your face, I am trying to watch my figure :p
 
lovetoread said:
BBW,sometimes its just cause alot of us cant cook.
If you lived in the middle of the wildnerness, I'd buy that argument. But in the western world of grocery stores, that's not even remotely plausible. The freezer section of any grocery store is overflowing with pre-packaged meals, containing healthy portions of vegetables and meat. Besides the individual sized portions, there are family-size meals that take 15 minutes to heat on the stove or in the oven. A fast food drive-through can take that long, given total drive time.
 
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