how come nobody is busting the UN's chops?

[woody54]

If someone is quoting As in classes, do we need to start posting the applicable portions of our resumes to back up what we say on this board?

LOL

You're damned right you do ..... and this being a porn site , we expect full disclosure INCLUDING all the photographic evidence, especially from the women

..... cuz us guys dig that stuff

 

[woody54]

. Better to simply lay out the facts, as people have as many legitimate problems with the US as they do with the UN.

Over the years, the UN has been the forum for serious powerful East/West lobbying, dominated by the 6 major powers.

When one of those draws back from its commitment to the process, it has serious implications.

The US has chosen its own course and growing international concern indicates its unpopularity.
Powerful or not, the US will pay a price for growing isolation and it seems so unnecessary when you follow the politics that drive this direction.
An educated and politically savvy population is needed to maintain some balance .

 

[Daedalus77]

Re: Re: Re: Re: how come nobody is busting the UN's chops?

I am sorry but "A's" have not improved your grip of where the UN fits into International politics. It is a talking forum primarily.

The UN will ONLY do what consensus politics allow it to and it is totally reliant on member states to undertake any actions it approves.

What part of that do you not understand when relating it to the US? Member countries do the hard work and the US has been a leader in this effort but dont bitch about it now because it was always voluntary.

The US has taken a major responsibility in UN affairs befitting their super-power status, this "UN is shit" problem has only arisen since Bush's administration chose a different path in international relations that is percieved as self interest and definitely not community minded.
This the hallmark of a rogue nation by any definition.

Is it any wonder the Bushites dont want to hear the worlds opinions?

I'm confused. Are you saying that the UN is a paper tiger without US support? We aren't supposed to "bitch about it" because we voluntarily agreed to it (whatever the UN plan) but we are bad guys when we decide the UN is wrong. Seems like you want it both ways

 

[thegirlfriday11]

You're so fucking hot.

thankyou

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Re: Re: Re: Re: how come nobody is busting the UN's chops?

No.

But it is ridiculous to expect the US to take responsibility for the countless civilians it's murdered, maimed and tortured in Iraq.

Like the good Germans who ran Aushwitz today's good Americans know that, deep down, they're really the good guys ( regardless of how many atrocities they commit).

That's why they're so desperate to find scapegoats, like the UN.

Damn.

Where is my RPG ?

why hadn't the UN done much to solve the problem of terrorism and oppressive dictatorships before 9/11

 

[thegirlfriday11]

If someone is quoting As in classes, do we need to start posting the applicable portions of our resumes to back up what we say on this board?

LOL

I took two classes in college on it... hahahaha.

Yeah me too. Just two. And academic experience is all I have in the field. *nods*

Btw, reading material gets you as far as coursework.

Coursework in the field - unless it's something that requires special understanding or certification, etc. - makes you no more knowledgeable than the average well-read Joe.

it means i thoroughly investigated the information regarding the development of nuclear weapons and the history of the UN and was given grades based on my knowledge of the subject

i'm also thoroughly educated in physics, nuclear physics, the problem of terrorism

i'm involved with a research project developing detectors for smuggled fissionable materials funded by homeland security

so my coursework has involved a great volume of reading and learning as much as possible regarding these issues

if i weren't knowledgeable, i wouldn't be on the development team

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Err, no, that was not my intent to blame America but when you hold America up as some bastion of greatness to deride what, is in effect, just a club to get people to be nice to each other, then you need some realities explained to you.

i did not say america is blameless

my opening remark in this thread is why hasn't the UN done more

The US has done very creditiable work through the UN but , of recent times. it has been politically expedient to deride the organisation because it does not endorse some US directions.

The UN is hugely influenced by the US, and this administration has chosen to treat it as redundant, because they would never endorse the Iraq war.
As it is, 95 % of the world population did NOT join the Cpoalition in Iraq, this tells you something important about the anti-UN movement in the US and the worlds acceptance of the use of pre-emption as a primary intervention tool.

The real truth is that the Americans have run off the rails that they themselves expect everyone else to be on. The UN is the main forum to discuss this openly.