Horses

[wishfulthinking]

Or more specifically, a naked female riding a horse with a saddle.

I'm wanting to incorporate a short horse scene in Ch.04 of my innocent pawn series, and in desperate need of pointers from a horse expert re pommel etc.

Thanks! WT

 

[herecomestherain]

Gee up...

Hi there from a fellow Aussie. Love the stories so far. I'm no expert on horses but have ridden quite a bit as a teenager. Are you thinking about having your "heroine" riding side saddle or astride? Standard English style saddles don't have much of a pommel as such if you're thinking along the lines of some kind of protuberance/sticky out bit that a damsel could rub herself on. Can you give us a few more hints re the scene you have in mind?

 

[A7inchPhildo]

Yea a little bit more on what you are thinking would be helpful.

The western sadle has a horn, the english does not. I know this is just a story but if you have ever ridden a horse you would know that the hair and crud can cover the legs. Naked girls seems kind of unrealistic but whatever. You could always throw a small sheet over the animal to keep it clean.

Another thought if you are looking for that bow leg effect she does not need to be naked. She could be in a pair of panties. Thinking of keeping the love nest clean is all.

 

[A7inchPhildo]

Pssst! Nice Av wishful glad to see you made it to 100. Having read some of your posts in the AH.

 

[DevilishTexan]

Shoooo! For a minute I thought this thread was gonna be about a horse jus' stickin' it to a woman........."Who's yo Mr. Ed now bitch....say my name, SAY MY NAME!"


Just goes to show what a truly sick fucker I am LOL!!!!

 

[wishfulthinking]

Definitely misbehaving in texas!

Thanks everyone!

Ok, someone PM'd me (probably a bit worried about the beastiallity angle too), but I will try and explain here exactly what I want. Having ridden a horse only a few times, I need lots of pointers.

The scene is two people riding saddle, female in front, naked down below. The pommel is what I'm interested in for this purpose (no sex on or with the horse!)

Glad to see another Aussie on the boards, herecomestherain. I have moved this back to chapter 5, in case you wonder when you don't see it chapter 4 of innocent pawn!

Hey A7, I sat on the boards all day yesterday to make it to a 100! Phew, hard work.

 

[Weird Harold]

The scene is two people riding saddle, female in front, naked down below. The pommel is what I'm interested in for this purpose (no sex on or with the horse!)

I think some more info on WHERE this takes place would help. English Saddles, American Riding Saddles, Western Working Saddles, Mexican Saddles, and Australian Saddles are just a few of the many different types of saddles they could be dealing with. All have different structures and different pommels and rub different spots.

Where your story takes place will have a big effect on the type of saddles available, although an English Riding saddle (which doesn't actually have a pommel) would likely be available almost anywhere.

An Image Search on Google might be more help than descriptions.

 

[wishfulthinking]

By WH: I think some more info on WHERE this takes place would help.

Roughly around 12 - 18th Century France. I have been pretty vague with the timeline! Needless to say, there is a castle, and they are going for a gallop through the rolling country side.

I definitely want one with a pommel, but need to know depending on the type (didn't think about that), which bits rub where.

Cheers, WT

 

[Weird Harold]

Roughly around 12 - 18th Century France.
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I definitely want one with a pommel,

I don't think you're going to be able to have a pommel and be historically accurate.

In 12th-18th century France, I think there were just Side-saddles, "Palfrey" saddles (essentiall an English Riding Saddle) and a Knight's War Saddle; None of whichhave a "Pommel."

You best bet is the War Saddle, which had a high "Cantle" for and aft of the seat. It would be a very close fit for two people, but if she's going to be naked, then he's probably not going to be wearing his armor, so they should be able to squeeze in.

This isn't a very good picture, but it'sthe best I could find with only a quick search.

http://www.locksley.com/toysoldier/reynard.jpg
http://www.locksley.com/toysoldier/reynard.jpg

This is an old style Western Saddle, but it has the high cantles similar to a French knight's war saddle. A knight's saddle would NOT have the pommel on the front cantle -- pommels are onlyfound on roping or "stockman's" saddles.

http://www.knightssaddlery.com/images/nwmp1865oldtmr.jpg
http://www.knightssaddlery.com/nwmp1865oldtmr.html

One to remember about a Knight's War Saddle/War Horse -- they're VERY wide -- wide enough to fit a Percheron or Clydesdale -- your fair maiden is going to be doing a fair immitationof the splits, so almost all of the good bits are going to rub on the saddle even it's flat as a board.

You might look for some information from the Society for Creative Anchronism (SCA) about saddles from the time and region your story is set in.

 

[wishfulthinking]

That is bloody fantastic WH, and so funny!

I going to keep as historically accurate as I can (so far as it fits the story ) and stick with the warrior saddle without the pommel. Side saddle is not going to work for what I have in mind.

But that's great, especially the photos. That will really help me write something.

I'm still laughing at the splits.

Thanks WH

 

[herecomestherain]

Weird Harold has some good points there about the saddle and the size of the horse. Don't want to be too detail driven but give thought to the fact that with two people on a horse one of them, most likely the damsel up the front won't have any stirrups to put her feet in. This means she will have to hold on tight by squeezing her thighs and legs around the horse... sounds kinda nice doesn't it? I digress...
Galloping around on a horse naked with no stirrups to balance on would be extremely uncomfortable. Can I suggest that she may find the more gentle steady movement of the horse walking more erotic. This can actually surprise a rider. Hope you don't think I'm trying to re write your scene, you know what you want to achieve with it. In the end, if it is a very hot scene readers will more than likely forgive you a few slight tecnical inaccuracies!Good luck.

 

[wishfulthinking]

This means she will have to hold on tight by squeezing her thighs and legs around the horse... sounds kinda nice doesn't it? I digress...

This cracks me up! I'm going to have to check out this forum more often.

Don't worry HCTR, the scene isn't written yet, still in my head.

So, so far then...

He is going to have to anchor her to him with his arm around her waist while she rides in front, and it it a tight squeeze. Or should I have her sitting in the back of the saddle so she can hold on to him?

The leather will be warm, or warm up.

The thing in the middle of the old western saddle, where the stirrups feed through, looks like having potential. (although as WH said, she will be doing the splits, and will be a question of what not rubs). So might have to do something about rubbing in cream or something after the ride?

So the horse is in maybe a canter? I'm still going to have to get some help re speed - Canter / trot / gallop???

Anything else that anyone can think of that I have forgotten?

Cheers, WT

 

[Weird Harold]

I'm still laughing at the splits.

Thanks WH

Actually, I wasn't joking... much.

The earlier you go in your broad time frame, the smaller a warhorse would be, but have you ever been close to a Clydesdale or Percheron? Those are some BIG horses!

Imagine your couple sitting on a recliner with their legs over the arms, and you'll be pretty close to the stretch required to straddle one of the big warhorse breeds.

One thought about your heroine's arousal when in a saddle -- saddles are generally smooth and designed NOT to rub anywhere excessively. Medieaval War Saddles weren't terrible well designed in that respect, but they were't especially scultpted either -- they were basically chairs strapped to a horses back; note the wrap-around arms on the back of the first picture and the vertical alignement of the cantles.

If your heroine is wearing a typical medieval dress or gown, it would need to be bunched up in her crotch and/or between her and the front cantle -- I can imagine all sorts of interesting possibilities for where wrinkles and folds of cloth might wind up chafing and rubbing. (Especially since knickers and under-pants were virtually unknown for most of your time frame, and generally crotchless when they were worn.)

 

[sunfox]

This cracks me up! I'm going to have to check out this forum more often.

Don't worry HCTR, the scene isn't written yet, still in my head.

So, so far then...

He is going to have to anchor her to him with his arm around her waist while she rides in front, and it it a tight squeeze. Or should I have her sitting in the back of the saddle so she can hold on to him?

The leather will be warm, or warm up.

The thing in the middle of the old western saddle, where the stirrups feed through, looks like having potential. (although as WH said, she will be doing the splits, and will be a question of what not rubs). So might have to do something about rubbing in cream or something after the ride?

So the horse is in maybe a canter? I'm still going to have to get some help re speed - Canter / trot / gallop???

Anything else that anyone can think of that I have forgotten?

Cheers, WT

Alrighty.. horse freak checking in after christmas away. We've twelve horses, so I guess I'd qualify for knowing about saddles. Medieval style saddles, as Harold said, are like chairs.. high front and back. However, most people who spend a lot of time in the saddle learn how to ride bareback. It would be perfectly feasible for the man to ride bareback, and support the woman on his thighs, perhaps with her legs wrapped around his waist. In fact.. been there, done that. Sitting on him that way, only her rear would be touching the horse, around the withers area, which is where the mane ends and the shoulders/barrel begin.

At the canter, which is a three beat gait, the motion of the horse is a smooth rocking style motion. The trot is four beat, and would be uncomfortable to screw around to A gallop is faster than the canter, and is more of a four beat again, instead of three. You can't do much other than hold on at the gallop.. it's the speed horse races are run at. But the canter is an easy going, ground covering gait.

Medieval great horses were used by knights. Look up pictures of the friesian and the Shire to see the modern day descendants of the great horse. Shires can be over eighteen hands, but they're perfectly ridable Friesians are more in the 16-17 hand range.. hands are four inches, and are measured to the top of the withers. A mix of the two breeds would approximate the Great Horse.

Hope this helped.

 

[sunfox]

Oh. Almost forgot. Terminology.

A saddle has multiple parts, but we'll go with simple
The rise in the front is the pommel. The rise in the back is the cantle. The part your butt is on is the seat, and the sides, where your legs rest, are the skirts. Stirrups, and the leather from which they hang are called the stirrup leathers, on both english saddles and older, medieval style saddles. Usually, knights horses also wore cloth hangings, decorative and in the colors of the house they served or their own colors.. those are called barding. To add to the confusion, armor for the body of the horse was also frequently called barding. usually according to the type. Chain barding, leather barding, ringmail barding, etc.

Facial armor down the long bone of the face was simply called a faceplate.

Bridle, bit, reins, girth (strap under the belly to hold the saddle on), all useful bits of term to know. Good luck with your story.

 

[Amfig]

If humans had not taken a liking to them, flipping horses would be deservedly extinct.

However, once at a party I was introduced to a woman who liked them and owned a couple. Had been out riding that afternoon. When I asked what use a horse was to a woman, other, possibly, than serving as a 1,200 pound vibrator, she screamed with delight.

 

[wishfulthinking]

Alrighty.. horse freak checking in

Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful!!!

Thanks a heap Sunfoox. That helps more than you know.

It would be perfectly feasible for the man to ride bareback, and support the woman on his thighs, perhaps with her legs wrapped around his waist. In fact.. been there, done that.

Unfortunately, as fun as that would be to give it a go, for the purposes of my story, it would be a bit to adventurous for my heroine as yet. I'm going for the "discomforting" feeling burgeoning below sort of storyline.

So a canter is an easy going, rolling sort of gait?

You must pity me, the only time I have been on a horse is over at the island, and we only go on treks down to the beach.

To Amfig - the animal worlds version of a washing machine?

Cheers, WT