Honey, They Blew Up The Pipeline!!

[ffish1]

It's really easy. This way they don't have to pay penalties for contracts they have no intention to fulfill.

Hey, you might find this interesting too:

According to an Eastern European historian,
In his speech, Putin suggested discretely Great Britain as the primary suspect, followed by America.

The clue that the guy is referring to is Putin's revival of a notion from Stalin's/Brezhnev's Soviet Bolshevism :
"Russia's enemies are the Anglo-Saxon forces".
This notion hasn't been used in decades, it disappeared completely in the 70's, to be replaced by the
" The United States are Russia's main enemy".


The analyst (who's anti-Russia) agrees with Putin, that technology shows there are only three suspects: 1 Britain 2 US 3 Russia ----Britain????

 

[ffish1]

Russia is not using the pipelines anyway. Not fullfilling the contracts due to sanctions and the insistence on payment in rubles. So no need to blow up pipelines to send no gas. it just makes it more difficult if germany decides to pay in rubles.

America gains because they are not harmed by it, and can sell their own liquid gas, prolongs the proxy war against russia, and helps israel. That Truss is another jew lapdog, fawning all over them, but I do not see how the UK would gain.

You and Lupus make far more sense to me.
I found the 'Britain blew up the pipe' theory to be ... weird
So my hunch is that the historian misinterpreted Putin's revival of the pre-70's Soviet Bolshevik phrase "Anglo-Saxon peril" that was later replaced with the Cold War phrase "The US peril".
^^
But what do you think of Putin's weird choice of words?
It's strange that he lumped Britain and US together, saying nothing about the other EU members.
Did he use it to get on his side former British colonies like Africa India etc? Or does it symbolise something else?

 

[ffish1]

Perhaps it is aimed at russian people to ignite feelings of former cold war patriotism and greatness. Nothing to do with how the west would interpret it. You would have to understand the russian mindset to understand it. What makes no sense to a different culture may make sense to them.

Europe and africa are populated by people of vastly different and opposing cultures, hence the conflicts, but also awareness that very different values and mindsets exist. America does not have such heterogeneity, expect the mix of anglo and latino culture, and even there conflicts arise. So it is diffcult to understand that some people may think and speak very different and may not be direct like americans.

yes, I think you're right.
btw - Have you watched the faces of the MASSES of Russians gathered at his speech?
They were so... transported & when the hymn (whose verses had been changed to the Soviet ones) started playing.



OMG the new CNN headlines.

The turning points in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine​

Seven months into the invasion, Russia controls less land than it did in the initial days of the war. See how the advances stalled.
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2022/09/europe/russia-territory-control-ukraine-shift-dg/

OMG how imbecilic
Putin did the unthinkable: he grabbed for good 20% of a sovereign country's territory, half of which were anti-Russian
And they're still spinning the war as a win ?
It's because of OUR massmedia, that people started falling for Russian sources

 

[ffish1]

I wont believe either. It was the early jewish communists and the jewish frankfurt school that started critical theory and how to manipulate people theorugh media. So the russian and western MSM had the same origin. There are a few western independents worth reading, but nothing owned by a berg, stein, witz, blatt or gold anything.

the Israeli media is worth reading. They put a totally different angle on it than what they spin for the goyim, which is only what they want you to think.

Interesting that you said that. (the purple part)
--Cause a friend from the former USSR told me once how, during a time when they couldn't find meat or whatever on the market, the Russian massmedia was writing how shops are packed with meat etc. They knew everyone knew it's a lie, but they were still writing it.
--And I was thinking: our Western massmedia is starting to look increasingly Russian--commie by the day, denying the glaring obvious and carrying on with propaganda. (I'm sure Putin is doing the same on his side)


But now that I keep thinking, I would go one step further than what you said. in the underlined part
--Whereas until now I thought too, that they're doing it to manipulate and change our thinking, -- the only question mark being: why is the propaganda so stupid, non-subtle and obvious? are They idiots? or do they think We are idiots?
---Now I think that the crass massmedia propaganda is just a sign of totalitarianism.
Massmedia isn't even trying to be subtle and model our thinking, they're just bombarding us, Mao-ist style, knowing that by repetition and drilling, it will stick.

 

[MarcvsAvrelivs]

Smells like a Russian gambit.
The Putin Opening

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=1704ec8cf71a4305a5bdeba6bbf5f91f

NATO has sent an intelligence note to its member countries warning of the mobilization of the Russian nuclear submarine 'K-329 Belgorod', carrying the Poseidon nuclear missile, also known as the Weapon of the Apocalypse, the Italian daily 'La Repubblica' reports Sunday.

The new submarine was launched in July and is now reportedly submerged in Arctic waters after its possible involvement in the sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipelines, according to several unofficial sources.

 

[ffish1]

Perhaps it is aimed at russian people to ignite feelings of former cold war patriotism and greatness.

It seemed fitting for me to post here what I just listened to, given that Putin used the term "Anglo-Saxons" in his speech.
So I was listening to a Eastern European analyst-historian, and he threw an intriguing theory.
--Apologies if I might have misunderstood, my knowledge of History sucks--

First, to clarify: I'm referring only to the progression of the Ukraine conflict, the last months.
NOT to it's initiation (by Russia + the controversies about America's role)


So what this analyst was saying:
In his opinion, Britain is now playing a far more anti-peace talks role than America does,
as shown by both Britain's History and by the Zelensky - Boris Johnson friendship.
America Was prepared for peace talks, but Britain doesn't want them,

Re the first: after France's power declined, the main rival of Britain was Germany.
Poland, for example was Britain's project against Germany.

And still is, behind the curtain of this war.
What the historian envisions after the war are two axes of stability in Europe, given Russia's antics:
---a Poland-Ukraine pole that would be under Britain's unseen umbrella, and will serve Britain's interests to win over Germany in being 'the power' in Europe,
-- a Turkey pole, established by America.

 

[ffish1]

What do you guys think?
For me, this was the best analysis of the bewildering events that don't seem to make sense

 

[ffish1]

It seemed fitting for me to post here what I just listened to, given that Putin used the term "Anglo-Saxons" in his speech.
So I was listening to a Eastern European analyst-historian, and he threw an intriguing theory.
--Apologies if I might have misunderstood, my knowledge of History sucks--

First, to clarify: I'm referring only to the progression of the Ukraine conflict, the last months.
NOT to it's initiation (by Russia + the controversies about America's role)


So what this analyst was saying:
In his opinion, Britain is now playing a far more anti-peace talks role than America does,
as shown by both Britain's History and by the Zelensky - Boris Johnson friendship.
America Was prepared for peace talks, but Britain doesn't want them,

Re the first: after France's Imperial power declined, the main rival of Britain (re dominance in Europe) was Germany.
Poland, for example was Britain's project against Germany.

And still is, behind the curtain of this war.
What the historian envisions after the war are two axes of stability in Europe, given Russia's antics:
---a Poland-Ukraine pole that would be under Britain's unseen umbrella, and will serve Britain's interests to win over Germany in being 'the power' in Europe,
-- a Turkey pole, established by America.

 

[ll74]

Britain is now playing a far more anti-peace talks role than America does,

There is no such thing as an "anti-peace" stance for the non-Russian parties. Each stance is based on the price for peace and what is acceptable. That changes over time.

The only party that is anti-peace is the one that initiated the non-peaceful action. Russia continues to be the party seeking to disrupt and destabilize the region.

And Ukraine's involvement continues to be defense of their internationally recognized territory.

There is no current party seeking "peace at any price"

 

[ffish1]

P.S.
I DON'T want to focus on "who's at fault, who's the bad guy here (besidesRussia)" as in my previous posts.
My post is about geostrategics.

We're witnessing two parallel things.
an invasion of a sovereign country, an illegal grab of 20% of a country's territory
and a reconfiguration of the main Empires influences in Europe.

Discussing the latter doesn't automatically mean that one is trying to excuse Putin.
== writing these, because I clicked on 1ll74's post.

 

[ll74]

P.S.
I DON'T want to focus on "who's at fault, who's the bad guy here (besidesRussia)" as in my previous posts.
My post is about geostrategics.

We're witnessing two parallel things.
an invasion of a sovereign country, an illegal grab of 20% of a country's territory
and a reconfiguration of the main Empires influences in Europe.

Discussing the latter doesn't automatically mean that one is trying to excuse Putin.
== writing these, because I clicked on 1ll74's post.

You're wanting to discuss countries being anti-peace as if there is more than one. Your base argument is flawed and therefore any discussion derived from it is as well.

 

[ffish1]

could you please place a hot chili into your pretentious rectum
you try to showcase your intelligence by picking on inane things like my unwise or stupid choice of words

 

[jaF0]

Does Raid! work on Fishflies?

 

[ffish1]

My post wasn't aimed at you, JaFo.
It was aimed mainly at Kradder.

 

[ll74]

could you please place a hot chili into your pretentious rectum
you try to showcase your intelligence by picking on inane things like my unwise or stupid choice of words

Your position continues to be flawed. Sorry that the big words are difficult for you.

 

[ffish1]

Why do you bother to reply to people who can only contribute insults and put downs? If anything that is unwise and inane. It is like a school yard where you have someone on the side lines reapeating the old nya nya na na na, or a dog barking at a passing car. It just makes a noise you ignore as you drive by.

yes, I WILL do it for good from now on, sorry.
My mistake was to click on ill's post out of curiosity -- my blood went up and I reacted. Need to not click on them.

btw:
Interesting fact.
I just realized that, unlike any other poster who only occasionally irritate me & make me react
Almost every freakin' post of ill74 makes me frustrated & react.
For me, this means that ill74 is the only troll in this forum. Other posters troll to various degree but still engage in exchanging ideas. Whereas almost Every post of ill74 is aimed at angering his 'opponents'.

 

[ffish1]

wtf happened to him? He used to be interested in discussing & debating, he often did great posts.
But now all he does is troll.

 

[ll74]

I just realized that, unlike any other poster who only occasionally irritate me & make me react
Almost every freakin' post of ill74 makes me frustrated & react.
For me, this means that ill74 is the only troll in this forum. Other posters troll to various degree but still engage in exchanging ideas. Whereas almost Every post of ill74 is aimed at angering his 'opponents'.

Poor guy. Sounds rough
The only ideas you continue to want to share are that the west is the cause of every problem.

 

[butters]

Poor guy. Sounds rough
The only ideas you continue to want to share are that the west is the cause of every problem.

add to that their best chat-buddy is the most openly racist poster on the boards apart from the lunatic ramblings of busybody personas, and it tells one all they need to know about the value of having discussions with them. a big, fat, zero.

 

[ffish1]

I think you are missing out the role of Israel, the real hidden hand. They have strong connections to Ukraine and the ukraine jew oligarchs.
There was the role of Israel in Maidan
Of course if Jews have an interest, americans are pulled in.

Isolating russia is also good for Israel as it frees their hand in Iran and syria, countries strongly backed by russia.
Israel is now forming links with Turkey to send jew gas to europe. The Turkey pole is really a Jew pole to use turkey as a transit to europe.

hard for me to change my mindset because being from EE, I think mainly regionally ww2-like Russia/Brits./Americans. as the main Empires fighting for influence (funny tho that I'm not thinking of Germany)

but the Turkey thing surely makes one pause and consider.

 

[ll74]

add to that their best chat-buddy is the most openly racist poster on the boards apart from the lunatic ramblings of busybody personas, and it tells one all they need to know about the value of having discussions with them. a big, fat, zero.

Yah, butters, but he's got some good exchange of ideas

 

[ffish1]

The jew dilemma is that Moscow is a major actor in the Middle East, not least, Syria and Iran. Israel coordinates closely with Russia over air strikes in Syria, which are a violation of international law. Israel cannot say what Russia is doing is a war crime and illegal because it is no different than what they do in lands they illegally occupy against UN resolutions. Israel itself bombs and rockets civilians,

This definitely merits discussion, as well as Israel trying to encourage Turkey to buy gas from it.
I'm a bit confused on what to whom. Isn't Biden now trying to convince Europe to buy gas?oil? from America instead of Russia? ----I'm not making this up, Biden said it himself recently.

In 2020, Jewlensky pulled Ukraine out of a UN committee to enable Palestinian people to exercise the right to self-determination, and the right to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced. How Jewish of him. Israel drives Palestinians off their land (ethnic cleansing) and keep them ghettoised and away from the exclusively Jewish communities built in their place (apartheid). Is this not what Zelensky tried? That is what Putin accused him of.

Woooooow.
He Did that?
My first thought was -- maybe as a prelude to what he did in 2021, when he declared Russian, Polish, Hungarian Czech, Romanian, Bulgarian and Moldovan minorities as non-native to Ukraine? As a means to get back Crimea by saying that \ only Tatars were native to Ukraine.

 

[ffish1]

add to that their best chat-buddy is the most openly racist poster on the boards apart from the lunatic ramblings of busybody personas, and it tells one all they need to know about the value of having discussions with them. a big, fat, zero.

the racists versus the non-racists, eh?

 

[ffish1]

Almost Everyone is racist. Jews behave in a way to better their tribe. Chinese to better their race. Blacks form groups to better their own. Most sane people work to better their own. Even animals form tribal herds/troops to compete against others of their species and exclude outsiders. Israel is a classic example of it being perfected for the benfit of 1 tribe at the expense of all others. But it is only called racism when white people do it.

The non-racists are a very small minority who choose to ignore reality and live in a world of how they wish things would be. But then they hate everyone who is racist, which means almost the whole world. It is hardly worth being against them, anymore than being against boude-fliege (bum flies). They will always hover around waiting for droppings they can feast on. They will always buzz around but only feed on stuff after it has been dropped.

You're describing the authentic ones, the idealists.
I would add that for many it's a form of narcissism, like the people who take selfies of themselves volunteering at Homeless kitchens &posting them on Facebook. "Please donate to this charity, I'm only selfie-ing myself to encourage you all.

Regardless of motivation, both do a lot of good in moderation.
Unfortunately, they've been hijacked by extremists and attention-seekers who turned a legitimate movement into a shit-show.