Honey, They Blew Up The Pipeline!!

[ffish1]

But coming back to your main point:
True actually, tribalism (aka bigotry) NOT peace and equality could be the natural state of animals and humans. Too many of us, too few resources.

 

[ffish1]

Aww God, you just pissed in the bucket Kradder.

 

[AlexBailey]

Almost Everyone is racist. Jews behave in a way to better their tribe. Chinese to better their race. Blacks form groups to better their own. Most sane people work to better their own. Even animals form tribal herds/troops to compete against others of their species and exclude outsiders. Israel is a classic example of it being perfected for the benfit of 1 tribe at the expense of all others. But it is only called racism when white people do it.

The non-racists are a very small minority who choose to ignore reality and live in a world of how they wish things would be. But then they hate everyone who is racist, which means almost the whole world. It is hardly worth being against them, anymore than being against boude-fliege (bum flies). They will always hover around waiting for droppings they can feast on. They will always buzz around but only feed on stuff after it has been dropped.

When I look down my nose at a racist it's because I see someone who is shaped by fear and hate instead of a good will toward others - what a waste of intention and resource you are. It's very much the same as seeing someone locked in shackles after being arrested - both pathetic and sad. On one hand they are largely the product of their upbringing, but it's also because they were too weak minded or too wrapped up in their own interests to care that they were harming someone else.

Racism is a waste of human potential no matter who harbors it.

 

[ll74]

When I look down my nose at a racist it's because I see someone who is shaped by fear and hate instead of a good will toward others - what a waste of intention and resource you are. It's very much the same as seeing someone locked in shackles after being arrested - both pathetic and sad. On one hand they are largely the product of their upbringing, but it's also because they were too weak minded or too wrapped up in their own interests to care that they were harming someone else.

Racism is a waste of human potential no matter who harbors it.

People who view the world through superior or inferior via racial perspective cannot objectively approach problems involving race and rarely can objectively solve political issues. Their solutions always leave out those most affected by racial disparities because they typically see it as a waste of resources.

 

[jaF0]

Title changed cuz I felt like it.


Krappy FishFlies wiped off my screen cuz they're crappy fish flies.

 

[ffish1]

Title changed cuz I felt like it.


Krappy FishFlies wiped off my screen cuz they're crappy fish flies.

You keep relaying to me -repeatedly- your opinion of me:
that I don't bathe and I fart.

Ever crossed your mind that I might see YOU in the exact same way?
Or maybe THAT's why you keep trying to insult me. Because you sensed it.

 

[ffish1]

oh
I also imagine you to be obese lol
cause 1/3rd of Americans are

 

[jaF0]

Sweden seizes evidence at Baltic Sea pipeline leak site​

By JAN M. OLSENtoday

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Sweden’s domestic security agency said Thursday that its preliminary investigation of leaks from two Russian gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea “has strengthened the suspicions of serious sabotage” as the cause and a prosecutor said evidence at the site has been seized.



Duh!

 

[AlexBailey]

Let me summarise the basis of your post. I don't have to address your points because you are racist so a horrible person. So there! Take that!

No. Actually racists are social ballast that the rest of society puts a lot of energy into dealing with.

 

[LupusDei]

I think you are missing out the role of Israel, the real hidden hand. They have strong connections to Ukraine and the ukraine jew oligarchs.

Jews running ukraine is good business for Israel. That jew comedian didnt come out of nowhere. He got the kosher stamp of approval as good for the tribe.

If so, then why we see such reluctance from Israel to help openly? They have denied requests and even blocked offers of weapon deliveries, notably of Spike rockets. Only now, after confirmation of Iranian drones used in the teacher there's reluctant and low key assistance.

Early on there was huge hopes by the Ukrainian side, hope on Israeli air defense systems and even outright absurd claims (like that they might receive Merkava tanks (with, while being arguably best for crew survival are hardly ideal for strategic distances involved in Ukrainian battlefield, nor are immediately available in relevant quantities even if anyone could afford the expense)).

Instead Israel chose to manage their nontrivial relationship with Russian forces in Syria. While somewhat understandable being closer to home (literally) the optics of that continue to remain... strange.

 

[LupusDei]

It also means the Ukraine pipeline becomes more important ... even if it doesn't pump for now, ....

Ukraine pipelines does pump, despite hot war frontlines above them. I honestly don't understand how it works, but evidently Russia keep paying transit fees to Ukraine for it all the while... conducting "Special Military Operation" inside Ukraine (remember, there is no war, not by Russian definitions). Those pipelines have capacity to fully fulfill all obligations and replace the destroyed pipelines... that were purpose built to replace Ukrainian pipelines in the first place.

 

[ffish1]

The Sweden story Ja posted is interesting. The Swedes state the obvious that they now have evidence tt was blown up, but refuse to name who did it. That points the finger at a NATO member, or Ukraine. They want to join NATO so can't antagonise NATO. If they know who, they would have shared it with NATO and they still keep quiet. If they have evidence russia did it, then they have reason to speak out.

exactly.
I heard similar opinions on youtube, only that they were waving the 'Americans did it' scenario.
And chobham said something similar (without pointing fingers to anyone): that Massmedia's silence is noteworthy.

Ukraine pipelines does pump, despite hot war frontlines above them. I honestly don't understand how it works, but evidently Russia keep paying transit fees to Ukraine for it all the while... conducting "Special Military Operation" inside Ukraine (remember, there is no war, not by Russian definitions). Those pipelines have capacity to fully fulfill all obligations and replace the destroyed pipelines... that were purpose built to replace Ukrainian pipelines in the first place.

I also heard that prior to the pipeline bombing, Germany was still receiving gas from Russia, despite pretending otherwise.

The other intriguing revelation is that, notwithstanding the explosion, Russia would STILL be able to pump gas through, with a bit of fixing up.
Which means to me that the damage to the billions of infrastructure + ecological damage weren't as catastrophic as initially thought.

Which begs the question: sloppy bombing job, or intentional? Maybe whoever planted the explosion was aiming a doing minimum damage, didn't want to do it Irish IRA style 'I don't care who goes down with them as long as Russia does' ,
but rather to stop Russia from giving gas to Germany strictly during the war.

Ukraine pipelines does pump, despite hot war frontlines above them. I honestly don't understand how it works, but evidently Russia keep paying transit fees to Ukraine for it all the while... conducting "Special Military Operation" inside Ukraine (remember, there is no war, not by Russian definitions). Those pipelines have capacity to fully fulfill all obligations and replace the destroyed pipelines... that were purpose built to replace Ukrainian pipelines in the first place.

Could you please rephrase it and also elaborate?
I didn't fully understand what you were getting at re the Ukraine and Nordstream pipelines vis a vis this war,

 

[LupusDei]

A mix of some through ukraine to satisfy the comedian and most from israel would best suit the tribe, and that is what will underlie the strategy and the peace.

There's untapped gas (and some oil) in Ukraine itself. Interestingly enough, in northern Luhansk and Crimea shelf.

Could you please rephrase it and also elaborate?
I didn't fully understand what you were getting at re the Ukraine and Nordstream pipelines vis a vis this war,

Find yourself an Europe gas pipeline map. The NordSream pipelines are a novel addition to already extensive network, from inception designed to cut out middlemen.

There's pipelines going through Belarus and Poland (to Germany), but the most important ones (plural) go through Ukraine to a variety of destinations in eastern Europe (and eventually, Germany).

Ever since dissolution of USSR the hot topics in Russia Ukraine relationship had been Russian Sevastopol fleet base and gas transit fees. Ukraine had repeatedly leveraged both against one another to extract benefits.

When regime change failed (repeatedly), the Sevastopol problem was solved by brilliant hybrid military action. NordStream pipeline was the intended solution to the other problem. It's been aggressive weaponization of energy from inception. Germany would become dependent from it, but also, could dictate others by becoming the new distribution hub.

(You might also find it interesting to Google Yamal LNG. That's a three-way Russian-Chinese-French megaproject developed by Novatek (50.1%), Total (20%), CNPC (20%) and Silk Road Fund (9.9%), including designing and building fleet of icebreaker LGN tankers.)

 

[ffish1]

The NordSream pipelines are a novel addition to already extensive network, from inception designed to cut out middlemen. There's pipelines going through Belarus and Poland (to Germany), but the most important ones (plural)go through Ukraine to a variety of destinations in eastern Europe (and eventually, Germany).
------Ever since dissolution of USSR the hot topics in Russia Ukraine relationship had been Russian Sevastopol fleet base and gas transit fees. Ukraine had repeatedly leveraged both against one another to extract benefits. When regime change failed (repeatedly), the Sevastopol problem was solved by brilliant hybrid military action. NordStream pipeline was the intended solution to the other problem. It's been aggressive weaponization of energy from inception. Germany would become dependent from it, but also, could dictate others by becoming the new distribution hub.

That’s a BRILLIANT summary, thank you.
I also liked that you added this: “Germany would become dependent from it, but also, could dictate others by becoming the new distribution hub.”

Because mainstream Massmedia (the one that caters to us the less informed) paints Germany like this sort of semi-victim who merely made an ill-thought and inconsiderate (to countries threatened by Russia) pact with the Devil.
But it looks like Germany is more cunning than how Massmedia portrayed it. I only just found out that Germany was not just a passive receiver of gas, it was directly interested in propping up Russia!! because since 1989-1990 Russia-Germany agreed for BASF to hold some sort of monopoly over negotiating gas in Europe!

"BASF/Wintershall and Gazprom laid the foundations for their cooperation in autumn 1990 with a long-term agreement to market Russian natural gas in Germany. BASF and Gazprom introduced competition to the gas market in Germany and Europe in the 1990s by building pipelines, and developed a natural gas trading business."
https://www.basf.com/global/en/media/news-releases/2015/10/p-15-364.html

How creepy, a Germany-Russia alliance over Europe.
But looks like Germany is done now.

There's untapped gas (and some oil) in Ukraine itself. Interestingly enough, in northern Luhansk and Crimea shelf.

(You might also find it interesting to Google Yamal LNG. That's a three-way Russian-Chinese-French megaproject developed by Novatek (50.1%), Total (20%), CNPC (20%) and Silk Road Fund (9.9%), including designing and building fleet of icebreaker LGN tankers.)

AND the new gas/oil reserves recently discovered in the Black sea,
belonging to several former ussr countries, + Turkey (apparently the Turkey gas reserves are huge).

You guys need to discuss how these will come into play in the future.
The war was initiated by Russia and priority no.1 is to stop it like they stopped Germany in ww2.
However, gas/oil geopolitics will be considered too, by all parties.

And how about renewable energy? Is it just about Global warming,
or is it 20% about geostrategic politics or weakening fuel industry monopolies?

 

[butters]

so an 'explosive-laden drone' has been recovered. The kind lots of countries may use. The thing is, i'm not sure if the cable was already cut or if the authorities did it on finding the drone. Questions, though: why was it still 'explosive laden'? Could it have been planted there to be discovered and when some identity is established point fingers where the blame doesn't actually lie? If the cable was already cut, why? If it wasn't, why didn't it do its job?

Swedish authorities investigating the explosion that ripped holes in the Nord Stream gas pipelines reported on October 20 they had found an explosive laden drone on the seabed near the pipelines.

“We don't consider it to be dangerous to merchant vessels or the pipeline at this point,” Jesper Stolpe, Swedish Armed Forces spokesman, told Radio Sweden. The cable used to control the drone and to set off the explosive was cut, rendering the drone harmless, according to Stolpe.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=b9a08e80627142c29236aa6339ee3f2b

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=2cd718f6db5f43d086501be7320fd8da&ei=55

Russian warships were present in the area of Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines a few days before the blasts occurred there.
Source: German news outlet t-online, citing information from security services and open data
Details: The website believes the ship grouping had the necessary equipment to plant explosive devices.