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[twelveoone]

as i count the nominees
PandoraGlitters
Fridayam
greenmountaineer
TzaraTzara TzaraTzara
twelveoone

I only see 5 names, one of whom has said she is not eligible, now makes 4, now I am not happy with dubious nomination i received.
What was the party line last year, i wrote only one poem worth remembering, how did you put it Tzara, nothing. Good for getting out the comments, I believe.
Especially since I think tests where made as to whether I was coming back.

I wasn't happy with that community crack either, where you blew someone else's cover.

I liked that comment on my poem when wasn't here for 7 months, accusing me of having multiple alts, and wrecking every bodies scores. (That I don't think you were behind)

Where is the PoetGuy?
One train hides another, Russian dolls. You do know who you are dealing with.

So what I am going to do, is send a PM over to laurel, telling her to take out the number.

 

[twelveoone]

done,
have fun

 

[butters]

the problem being the splitting of the votes?

a split vote's going to happen whether we want it to or not; even if it's only between three, because they all write so damned well. everyone on that nom list you've posted deserves to be there, you just as much as anyone. if you're trying to get your nominated rescinded due to some chivalrous attempt, i don't see it's necessary to be honest. if it's for other reasons, i'd say 'people nominated you. it might be rude to throw that back in their faces'.

 

[twelveoone]

the problem being the splitting of the votes?

a split vote's going to happen whether we want it to or not; even if it's only between three, because they all write so damned well. everyone on that nom list you've posted deserves to be there, you just as much as anyone. if you're trying to get your nominated rescinded due to some chivalrous attempt, i don't see it's necessary to be honest. if it's for other reasons, i'd say 'people nominated you. it might be rude to throw that back in their faces'.

i don't have a chivalrous bone in my body

that was one of the more dubious nominations i've ever seen. Tzara by all logical and reasonable dictates should have nominated greenmountaineer. There is something else going on. Tzara should know by now, how much I pay attention to things, wordings, actions, who is where, when.

If this non nomination was made, while I was here it would have been a joke, it wasn't, I wasn't here, I suspect there where tests made to see if I was coming back. Now it moves over to sick.
It is not for anything 1201 did regarding poetry, oh nooo, god forbid, it is because of the importance of commenting on others work. I see so few comments by Tzara, anywhere.
Yes I am throwing it back.

with a rhetorical question for you and the other members of the "white terror", what is the hardest thing to do on poetry?
ans. come up with something new and different

here is an unsolicited testimonial, maybe
by Anonymous
05/16/12 note date, means i wasn't here for about seven months

I will post as an anonymous because you love it so much. you are anonymouse amongst other sarcastic and pathetic pseudonyms. Your poetry is often brilliant but more oft than naught it is aimed at nameless people whom you believe are the horrible anon yet you post anon comments under your fake names all the time. There was a time I respected you, now you just make me sort of ill. The forum has improved since you've been gone. Adios, comotose

Riddled with logic disconnects, but he almost had me believing my poetry is often brilliant, except how can I be sure, since he may be refering to poetry posted under other sarcastic and pathetic pseudonyms.
no, I was not here. This is not Tzara's work, however, it looks like it came from a certain crowd. This is the work of what is know as an agent provocateur. That is way over the line.
.
March, an email from someone (paraphrased)
R U russian or egyptian? I see pharaohs, stalin, pavlov
I see no comments on either the pharaoh or pavlov,
stalin, well that almost prompted a response, i don't remember him.
Again, I am not charging Tzara, but sometimes there are crowds, they exchange information.

Yes, I believe Tzara thought I wasn't coming back. Invalid nomination.

 

[butters]

whoah - ok, this is all way beyond me. he claims you had the strongest influence on him of any poet here. if there's more behind all that then i guess i'm well off out of the loop.

and, pardon me, but what exactly did you mean to imply by this?

Yes I am throwing it back.

with a rhetorical question for you and the other members of the "white terror", what is the hardest thing to do on poetry?
ans. come up with something new and different

what on earth is 'the white terror'?

 

[twelveoone]

what on earth is 'the white terror'?

a metaphor?

Anyway, if I am wrong, Tzara can just come out and say so, maybe be specific as to what: it ends.

However. I want no part of this (I already had sent the PM) it limits my range of operations, people already are too willing to assign motives. I am also a realist, I doubt whether I would get two votes, so it would look like a joke. I also have an ego, although a lot less than people assign to me, but it hurts to see all the H's gone, and the score slowly sink, I don't need more assholes popping out of the woodwork, like the lilies and the roses of churlish egos.

My job (as I see it) is just to get people to think, that is one tough motherfucker as it is.

Tzara wanted to piss me off, it did.

 

[butters]

fuckin' poets' fuckin' egos


and other swearwordery

well, whatever. i will go back to discussing examples with harry

no-one else stirs this site towards cudgeling our brains more than you do (a thankless task for the most part but an invaluable one for lazy writers), but my vote will go to gm as before because of what his poetry does to my head.

 

[twelveoone]

fuckin' poets' fuckin' egos


and other swearwordery

well, whatever. i will go back to discussing examples with harry

no-one else stirs this site towards cudgeling our brains more than you do (a thankless task for the most part but an invaluable one for lazy writers), but my vote will go to gm as before because of what his poetry does to my head.

what happens when grey matter turns brown?

all right since this is a porn site

Why did the banana cross the road?
that should put a little pink back in the lobes

even funnier than
MFA, no, I'm an outlaw biker dude...

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

At university an MFA was known as Master of Fuck All - just sayin'.

 

[butters]

what happens when grey matter turns brown?

all right since this is a porn site

Why did the banana cross the road?
that should put a little pink back in the lobes

even funnier than
MFA, no, I'm an outlaw biker dude...

you flush the pan and walk away
till the dawning of another day

it crossed the road cos lit's the only place they let it in to dance
*cue Fame music*

that last raised a smile this end, you can be sure

 

[PandoraGlitters]

I don't think that any awards are important enough for a community to burn itself down over. I'd prefer they all be eliminated and we get back to poetry.

When I earned my MFA, I had to question the very basis of what theatre is and what it does for a community. It led me to a new understanding of every single hour of study spent in undergraduate. I worked with theatre groups in schools and in prisons. As a result of that MFA and that work (quite a lot of work) I wound up in the far reaches of Canada developing original plays with First Nations elders. Perhaps some folks believe that the work done in MFA programs is nothing. I know better. Mine changed my life and allowed me to change the lives of others.

I hope that we can put aside the petty issues of who got what score and who got what this and that and instead focus on what makes good poetry. Please.

 

[Tzara]

Geezuz.

Here is my original post:

My nominee is twelveoone.

Why? Well, first of all, he qualifies, since he has several poems posted in 2011 and still up on Lit, which, by the rules satisfy the criterion:

In this category, please nominate the poet who affected you the most in 2011. Whose poems did you seek out and enjoy? Who made laugh/cry/etc.?

[The p]oet must be an active Literotica member (meaning their account is still currently on Literotica – it has not been removed or cancelled) who submitted stories during the year 2011 (and those submissions must still be on the site).

Now, Mr. Numbers did not exactly make me "laugh/cry/etc." but he sure as hell made me think, which I would hope would count as "influential."

I would also point out how much he focused on the need of poets here to comment on poems. Others' poems. I think that is critical, and I think that he was very influential in convincing me of that, even if I thought his comments were often even less than superficial. The idea was right, anyway.

I sure as hell now believe we need to comment on each others' poems as much and as often and as detailed as possibly we can be. On the forum, on the new poems, wherever. It's perhaps the most important thing we can do to further poetry here.

Oh. One final reason. This nomination likely will piss him off.

And that really pleases me.

Now, while I think the Literotica Most Influential Poet title is about the equivalent of winning the Del Monte County Squash Poet King title, I treat the nomination seriously and responded seriously to it. I think 1201 was the most influential poet in the forum last year. I gave some reasons why I felt that way.

I also knew he'd be unsettled by that, so I teased him with my closing lines.

God. Can we now get back to something that matters?

 

[butters]

God. Can we now get back to something that matters?

yes.

did you know that twinkies cause murder? blobfish told me so over on the GB!

i am all ...

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

Yes, yes we do. It's that people take these inventions of Literotica, the scores, the H and E, the popularity contests far too seriously as if they really mean something. Sorry folks, they're imaginary. I'm here to try to write the best poetry I can, not score coloured letters or be held up as some writing icon. I don't vote anymore except on rare occasions nor do I care whether or not you vote for me.

Rant over, thank you.

 

[PandoraGlitters]

Yes, yes we do. It's that people take these inventions of Literotica, the scores, the H and E, the popularity contests far too seriously as if they really mean something. Sorry folks, they're imaginary. I'm here to try to write the best poetry I can, not score coloured letters or be held up as some writing icon. I don't vote anymore except on rare occasions nor do I care whether or not you vote for me.

Rant over, thank you.

I agree. And I did think that Tzara was quite serious in his nomination and honor that impulse. It is good to recognize people that help us think, feel, write or be better. Maybe in the spirit of this, we could just send a nice IM to someone now and then and say thank you?

xo to all of you. Thanks 'specially to Tristesse whom I should also have nominated. There are a FEW people who deserve attention here for being influential.

 

[greenmountaineer]

Yes, yes we do. It's that people take these inventions of Literotica, the scores, the H and E, the popularity contests far too seriously as if they really mean something. Sorry folks, they're imaginary. I'm here to try to write the best poetry I can, not score coloured letters or be held up as some writing icon. I don't vote anymore except on rare occasions nor do I care whether or not you vote for me.

Rant over, thank you.

This.

And 1201, nominations aside, I appreciate the way you get me thinking about poetry too.

 

[twelveoone]

I also knew he'd be unsettled by that, so I teased him with my closing lines.

God. Can we now get back to something that matters?

I PMed Laural, I do not wish this. If it is ignored, so be it, I will try to ignore. Contrary to the prevailing opinion, H's, toplists, and MIP set the tenor of the place. It always dismays me to see good H's disappear, toplist infested with game players, and MIP contests in general. This year may be, shall we say, populated by people that do know at least more than average (how is that for understatement?);shame more did not bother with the nominations.

 

[HarryHill]

Not soft, what hell breaks loose in yonder thread
Egos torn and pages red
Search for now that gentle bed
Rest, recover from all hurt said

 

[PandoraGlitters]

I PMed Laural, I do not wish this. If it is ignored, so be it, I will try to ignore. Contrary to the prevailing opinion, H's, toplists, and MIP set the tenor of the place. It always dismays me to see good H's disappear, toplist infested with game players, and MIP contests in general. This year may be, shall we say, populated by people that do know at least more than average (how is that for understatement?);shame more did not bother with the nominations.

I have never had an H. Nor am I likely to. This is not because I am a poor poet. It is because I am not popular with all of the poets here. There is not one thing I can do about this. I have never and will never get an E. I can win contests that are anonymous (have done so often). But I will never be recognized in the popularity contests here at Lit. So why should I give a toss about them? I don't. Sorry.

I DO give a toss about poets who work, who read, who comment, who make me smile and who support others on the site (sometimes even me). I care about the growth of the community and I care about seeing a poet shape good poems. I hope to shape some of them myself. Why should I care about anything else?

 

[twelveoone]

I have never had an H. Nor am I likely to. This is not because I am a poor poet. It is because I am not popular with all of the poets here. There is not one thing I can do about this. I have never and will never get an E. I can win contests that are anonymous (have done so often). But I will never be recognized in the popularity contests here at Lit. So why should I give a toss about them? I don't. Sorry.

I DO give a toss about poets who work, who read, who comment, who make me smile and who support others on the site (sometimes even me). I care about the growth of the community and I care about seeing a poet shape good poems. I hope to shape some of them myself. Why should I care about anything else?

Do you think I am? popular? Over half of mine had H's. The E's may be political, (I've had three (two still here)) or they may have a revolving set of editors, it does not show any sign of consistency, except some degree better than average.
A person by the name of Carrington was here once, good, highly accessible, think he has three books out, never got an E.
Interesting story, Mr. Carrington had said he liked one of mine, within a hour the H was gone, ironic thing was I was pulling it.
The "red terror" at work. Latest example Ms LRose in a review my poem thread.
Cute, when is this place going to get rid of the Anonymous crap? Put real transparency in the voting, there once was a thermometer that told you how the person voted. Even then I was fucked, I may have two people close to being "fans" both decided they were not going to vote on anything.
So between the "white terror" -this isn't like any thing I've seen before, and the "red terror" - I just wrote this heartfelt poem about my boyfriend... what makes you think you're so good.
Well, I didn't, 10 other people did.
Once I was hit with a score of one, with 0 reads. ???
Popular?
I think the all time record was 38 zeros in the space of an hour, Lit had to shut the voting down. That one wasn't mine. I was sent a screen shot. Anyone here ever had their poem looked at here 38 times in the first hour?
That was popular.

 

[PandoraGlitters]

What the heck are the "white terror" and "red terror?" Is this a conspiracy theory? Anyway the point is the crap don't matter. What matters is poeming.

 

[HarryHill]

the French will tell you that the terroir is very important, no matter the color... Question: Is there a link here to the 'Masque of the Red Death'?
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"concocted by Poe in response to his observations of class distinctions of his day, a sublimation of his own frustrations at his own situation in life or perceived slights. The omniscient third-person narrator presents the arrival of the Red Death impassively, without regret, as if it is the logical consequence of moral depravity." (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
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Stirring the pot
Harry

 

[PandoraGlitters]

Terror? Really?? We're talking about upvoting or downvoting poems on a porno site or nominating people for Most Influential Poet. On a porno site. So . . .

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

So much hyperbole, I agree Lit has a problem with the voting system......so opt out! Red H-es come and go but the poem remains, even anon can't remove that and the poem is what's important here not some phony symbol.

Stop makingme rant, please.

 

[HarryHill]

PandoraGlitters
Natural Ingredients.....On a porno site. ....
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Hang on! consider the word before dot com ....This is not a Porno site... Not a label that the unenlightened put on something humanity has worshiped and revered and laughed about through its long journey to this present time and place.
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As to a method of voting (if I understand this convoluted thread) Not worth the trouble in poems, a flawed benchmark at best... given the reader base population ....homework, percentage of lit members that look at poetry, more homework percentage that vote....looking at small numbers my friends

As to red H's ...I love the ones beside my stories..... Not mean anything? Not to me
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Never hope to see one in poetry... So I agree with ....Tristesse2 serene
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the poem is what's important here
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VOTES? we don't need no stinking votes; give us your comments!
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