Half of the trouble would be cleared

[handysr]

The red is indisputable. The red is the NEWS. It's a color, I get that. It's a fact.

You're still just expressing your OPINION on what it means, which is fine, have at it. That's the COMMENTARY and INTERPRETATION. But you're confusing that with "fact."

You so want to insist your interpretation is it, is the only one. Shrug.

Like I said, have you moved out of your bubble for once second to listen to what voters say about why they voted the way they did? All I'm hearing is the echo chamber of a particular crowd.

Among other things, you're attributing way too much thinking to American voters.

Press them on "why," and you'll hear, "He's a businessman. He knows how to get things done."

"HIllary wants to take our guns."

"Hillary's a cunt."

"I'm a Christian, and I don't believe in abortion."

That's it. That's their rationale. If you start screaming about "regressive liberals" to them they'll just stare. You can attribute whatever motives you want to people; it's just as bigoted as D's screaming that they're all racists.

This might not be a surprise to you CF, but we don't always agree on everything.
That being said, from how I read this post, it almost looks like I could have written it. I'm not making any comment about any other poster, simply taking your post at face value and not as a reply.

There are tons of "low information" voters around from every political party, and they love bullet points and labels more than actual content. If you asked these people *why* a politician was being called "qwertyasdf", they would usually give you a three-second sound byte, but that's it. Sometimes the labels are right, sometimes not, but too many people can't tell the difference between the news and fake news - from either side of the political fence.

While visiting some friends that have different political views than I do, I've seen them watching some cable TV news network where the talking heads were getting all worked up by being their own echo chamber, repeating the same news bytes and labels about various politicians, both local and national. I see it on social media, and I would almost bet money over the fact that they spent less than four seconds looking at a story title and description before clicking the button to share to all of their friends.

Too many people can't be bothered to actually look into what's being said, and why, or to look at the history of how a person has acted, instead relying on some agenda-driven bobblehead on TV or a "news" story online with a huge stilted perspective on how evil the opponent is. Bullet points are easy to remember and spout out, and research is hard. The echo chamber effect and laziness is how you get hordes of stupid voters.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The red is indisputable. The red is the NEWS. It's a color, I get that. It's a fact.

You're still just expressing your OPINION on what it means, which is fine, have at it. That's the COMMENTARY and INTERPRETATION. But you're confusing that with "fact."

It's not an opinion or interpretation that all that red is a rejection of blue politics.

Press them on "why," and you'll hear, "He's a businessman. He knows how to get things done."

"HIllary wants to take our guns."

"Hillary's a cunt."

"I'm a Christian, and I don't believe in abortion."

That's it. That's their rationale.

Your opinion on the subject is irrelevant to the fact that team blue got fuckin' rejected in 2016.

If you start screaming about "regressive liberals" to them they'll just stare. You can attribute whatever motives you want to people; it's just as bigoted as D's screaming that they're all racists.

Well, I don't scream about anything.

But just because you think they won't understand what they are doing at the voting booth doesn't mean they aren't rejecting (D) because (D) fucking hates them.

They know you hate them, that's why they voted for Trump.

 

[Beco]

Does Lewis even know what decade this is? You get a free pass for life because you were part of the civil rights movement of the 60s? Too legit to quit is more like it....Shout out to MC Hammer.

Yes, Even Jessie Jackson gets some street cred from his relationship with MLK. Ironically, Jews also marched with MLK and I'm not sure they're well liked in the community....

 

[Beco]

I agree....both Democrat and Republican.



I don't give a fuck about what they paint, it doesn't effect me and it is their right.

It's the not being able to engage in commerce, do things for myself or live the way I want to live that pisses me off. Socialist both democrat and republican alike have some serious control freak issues in this country.

Its not their right....

 

[BotanyBoy]

Its not their right....

You don't just get to shit can the Constitution because some libbies got you triggered.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Nope.

The only aspect of that borne out is that a lot of people rejected HRC personally, fuck her ideas and policies. They rejected her.

But when you have masses of people not even knowing that their ACA is the same thing as Obamacare you're talking about people who don't know shit about actual R or D policy.

Besides that, you conveniently sidestep the people who weren't rejecting anything, but just liked and connected with the Orange Clown. Their vote was a vote FOR him.


QUOTE=BotanyBoy;83182544]It's not an opinion or interpretation that all that red is a rejection of blue politics.




Your opinion on the subject is irrelevant to the fact that team blue got fuckin' rejected in 2016.



Well, I don't scream about anything.

But just because you think they won't understand what they are doing at the voting booth doesn't mean they aren't rejecting (D) because (D) fucking hates them.

They know you hate them, that's why they voted for Trump.[/QUOTE]

 

[BotanyBoy]

Nope.

The only aspect of that borne out is that a lot of people rejected HRC personally, fuck her ideas and policies. They rejected her.

If most states and congress were blue I'd agree with you 100% on that.

But that's NOT the case...it wasn't just HRC that got rejected.

County, state and federal level democrats got fuckin' wrecked this past election cycle.

But when you have masses of people not even knowing that their ACA is the same thing as Obamacare you're talking about people who don't know shit about actual R or D policy.

Sure there are some, but they aren't that common.

Your attitude of everyone outside of big sophisticated (D) cities as stupid hillbillies that don't understand that their HC cost going through the roof is the Obamacare scam that is actually good for them is why you got a near complete Republican super majority across the entire fucking country.

Besides that, you conveniently sidestep the people who weren't rejecting anything, but just liked and connected with the Orange Clown. Their vote was a vote FOR him.

Because they are a fringe minority and voting for not (D) in any capacity is a rejection of (D).

 

[Beco]

Nope.

The only aspect of that borne out is that a lot of people rejected HRC personally, fuck her ideas and policies. They rejected her.

But when you have masses of people not even knowing that their ACA is the same thing as Obamacare you're talking about people who don't know shit about actual R or D policy.

Besides that, you conveniently sidestep the people who weren't rejecting anything, but just liked and connected with the Orange Clown. Their vote was a vote FOR him.


QUOTE=BotanyBoy;83182544]It's not an opinion or interpretation that all that red is a rejection of blue politics.




Your opinion on the subject is irrelevant to the fact that team blue got fuckin' rejected in 2016.



Well, I don't scream about anything.

But just because you think they won't understand what they are doing at the voting booth doesn't mean they aren't rejecting (D) because (D) fucking hates them.

They know you hate them, that's why they voted for Trump.

[/QUOTE]



While all of that is true, to me, Hillary just didnt have a clear message nor did she move or inspire people that felt hopeless. I watched her speeches, and first, I couldnt stand her voice, second, I thought she was full of shit running for President just because she wanted power, and (as silly as this might be) to show Bill who the brains of the outfit were.. Thats not going to get white men to vote for her.....it wont cut it.

I predicted, by sheer guess, that she wouldnt win back in 2014. Mainly because she just wasnt likeable......That said, I did think she would win