Half of the trouble would be cleared

[Carnal_Flower]

No they are not the same.

It's not about him being elected or being "legitimate" or not. It's about his family's personal stake in American government.

We should be able to know if he is indebted to certain countries before we let him dictate foreign policy. He should show complete transparency in his business holdings and operations to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest.

The Russian scandal following him around looks all the more shady the more he refuses to disclose his finances.

In addition to that, it is part of our "democratic norms." Not required by law, but a show of good faith to the American people. He's pissing on that like he's pissing on everything else. "I'm above our democratic norms. I'm exceptional."

Some people think that's just so cool. Others think it's a sign of a Putin-esque grab for autocratic rule.

Are Trump's tax records the equivalent of Obama's birth record or Florida's pregnant chads?

Who cares? Presidents are elected by the system operated by the US. If you get the wrong President blame the electorate, not the system.

 

[just4friends]

God knows what will happen to America.

What we can be sure of is that the Trump dynasty is going to multiply it's wealth because no one can hold it accountable without facts. During the campaign Trump said investors in his casinos were essentially stupid and that he used the law fairly to profit. Well shame on us, he will call us all stupid in four years or eight, or after his kids' terms... Trump's god will show his approval by increasing Trump's wealth.
To Hell with us.

Emoluments? How can you know when he's being bribed? The press will be blamed for lying. Fake news! Any poloitician will be out for political gain and revenge. Any celeb? Sad. Overrated. (Very Mussolini .. keep lying til it's the truth. In fact make the lies bigger!)

We don't need no stinking Constitution. America will be great!
Trump knows best!

The Goldengate papers? I would bet Trump's people released them to innoculate Trump against any charges. Prove they didn't.

 

[handysr]

Yeah, kick the Muslims out of Europe. The Pope kicked them all out in the 15th century after they were there for 700 years, and now they're coming back in like they own the place.

According to their doctrine, they do own the place. Any place Muslims have controlled is their territory forever after that.

muslims think that if there is a land mass, they should conquer it in the name of their allah. Knives, guns, terrorist activities: all activities are legal and holy, according to them. And yes, they think that if they controlled an area at one time, they should own it again. (related: Mexicans want their old territory back)

The problem with this is that they don't always have to do it with violence. Quantity over quality is one way to do it. In the past few years, there has been a huge increase in areas where emergency services won't even enter.

Recommended watching: 1400 Years of Islamic History in 3 Minutes. If that doesn't worry you, I'm not sure what will. It's worth your time to watch, regardless of your political bent. I think it's driven by fact rather than agenda.

The bad part is that so many bleeding heart folks are welcoming these invaders, falling over themselves to give them free housing and money to come to their countries, then ignoring the problems they cause. It's especially ironic, and funny in a sad way, when some of the most vocal groups welcoming them is the LGBTQWXYZASDF crowd wants to see these modern-day versions of the middle-ages folks who refuse to modernize beyond AK47s and cellphoens. The very people these muslim barbarians want to kill are the ones inviting them. Scary.

 

[about_average]

You can't stand Trump, I get it. Enjoy hanging out in your echo chamber with others who hate him.

My opinion of Trump has nothing to do with the ignorance of you claiming Trump releasing his tax returns would be illegal.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Fucking Commie cheaters

Wanted a commie in office ^^

In addition to that, it is part of our "democratic norms."

He's not a democrat.

Why would you expect "democratic norms." from someone who is the anti-democrat?

Not required by law, but a show of good faith to the American people. He's pissing on that like he's pissing on everything else. "I'm above our democratic norms. I'm exceptional."

That is EXACTLY what he was elected to do.

Some people think that's just so cool. Others think it's a sign of a Putin-esque grab for autocratic rule.

It a sign that your brand of politics? Is over....

NeoLiberalism and globalism has been rejected.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

By Dumb Fucks who think lebrachaun gold is going to fall from the sky

NeoLiberalism and globalism has been rejected.

 

[BotanyBoy]

By Dumb Fucks who think lebrachaun gold is going to fall from the sky

Democrats and the various flavors of socialist that fall under that umbrella didn't vote for trump.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

"My brand of politics." lol

All you know is that I'm against Trump and I don't hate Hillary.

No one in my family has ever voted Republican since time began. Solid Democrat, always will be.

Beyond that, you know squat. It's been one huge endless shitstorm of you dumping projection after label after accusation after caricature on some notion of "regressive liberal" on me and anyone else you suspect or think is one.

It's not even original. You copied it off the internet.

It a sign that your brand of politics? Is over....

NeoLiberalism and globalism has been rejected.

 

[RUlookingup]

By Dumb Fucks who think lebrachaun gold is going to fall from the sky

Everyone knows leprechauns keep their gold at the end of a rainbow. Nice try though.

 

[BotanyBoy]

"My brand of politics." lol

All you know is that I'm against Trump and I don't hate Hillary.

No one in my family has ever voted Republican since time began. Solid Democrat, always will be.

Exactly...and you've been rejected.

Keep alienating middle class America, keep vowing to shit all over white people, business owners, entrepreneurs, producers and go getters.

*looks at alllllll that red on the election map*

It's working wonders for you!

Beyond that, you know squat. It's been one huge endless shitstorm of you dumping projection after label after accusation after caricature on some notion of "regressive liberal" on me and anyone else you suspect or think is one.

It's not even original. You copied it off the internet.

Few things in politics are original.

It's also not projection or speculation, you say some regressive shit, you get called a regressive.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

a. "I" wasn't rejected. "I" wasn't running for anything. Stop conflating ME with whatever your problems are with something else.

Like I said, you DON'T know much beyond I hate Trump, I did not hate Hillary, and I will never vote for a Republican.

b. Stop conflating Hillary with the entire history of the Democratic party. She's one person.

I definitely agree that a lot of people rejected her, specifically. They didn't like her personality.

You'd love to roll this up into some giant mass rejection of everything you have in your mind as bad bad bad, some massive ideological problem, but it wasn't. They just didn't like HER.

Go read the NYTimes yesterday. Front page article on women who voted for Trump. Go read lots of interviews with Trump voters and with people who switched from Obama to Trump.

Your argument won't be borne out. It's fake news. You're in a bubble, projecting your own desires onto what happened. Doesn't mean it's true.

I've read and listened and watched a lot of things about why people voted Trump, esp ex-Obama supporters, and I know, based on MY reading of the facts, you're full o' wishful thinking.

c. Hillary won the popular vote. That's not fake news.

Trump won the Electoral College.

d. Shut up

Exactly...and you've been rejected.

Keep alienating middle class America, keep vowing to shit all over white people, business owners, entrepreneurs, producers and go getters.

*looks at alllllll that red on the election map*

It's working wonders for you!



Few things in politics are original.

It's also not projection or speculation, you say some regressive shit, you get called a regressive.

 

[BotanyBoy]

a. "I" wasn't rejected.

Your favored flavor of US politics were.

Stop conflating ME with whatever your problems are with something else.

I didn't do anything of the sort, that's your made up delusions.

b. Stop conflating Hillary with the entire history of the Democratic party. She's one person.

She is representative of the last 30 years of Democrat politics.

You'd love to roll this up into some giant mass rejection of everything you have in your mind as bad bad bad, some massive ideological problem, but it wasn't.

No I wouldn't, that would be you just having fantasy time again.

They just didn't like HER.

Incorrect, they also dislike the politics she represents. Neoliberalism, globalism, social justice ass hat. America outside a few mega metro areas isn't very keen on being shit on by megaplex hipster lunacy.

(D) in the last 8 years has alienated the fuckin' SHIT out of working/middle class, bidniz owners, entrepreneurs and white America.

Proof is in the election map and states.

c. Hillary won the popular vote. That's not fake news.

Never said it was.

Trump won the Electoral College.

That's the only win that matters.

 

[Beco]

Half of the trouble would be cleared, away, if Trump would release his tax returns.

Donald Trump Refuses To Release Tax Returns, Again

That's like saying, the Palestinians will agree to lasting peace if Israel would just give back the land or Iran will be our friends if we just lift the embargo..... That kind of thinking is comical and distrubing. Do you really think by Trump releasing tax returns, half of the reteroic aimed at Trump would fade away??

 

[phrodeau]

That's like saying, the Palestinians will agree to lasting peace if Israel would just give back the land or Iran will be our friends if we just lift the embargo..... That kind of thinking is comical and distrubing. Do you really think by Trump releasing tax returns, half of the reteroic aimed at Trump would fade away??

Depends on what the returns have to say.

 

[Beco]

Depends on what the returns have to say.

My point was, if he submitted and his returns were fine, although how could they be, it wouldnt stop the madness.

This guy Lewis just called Trump illigiment.....which have nothing to do with his tax returns.

 

[RUlookingup]

My point was, if he submitted and his returns were fine, although how could they be, it wouldnt stop the madness.

This guy Lewis just called Trump illigiment.....which have nothing to do with his tax returns.

Does Lewis even know what decade this is? You get a free pass for life because you were part of the civil rights movement of the 60s? Too legit to quit is more like it....Shout out to MC Hammer.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Proof?

That's what you and a bunch of other internet trollers really really want to think.

Like I said, I read the NEWS. I watch interviews with actual pee-pul.

Spin it however you want, Kelly Ann, the facts are out there.

Incorrect, they also dislike the politics she represents. Neoliberalism, globalism, social justice ass hat. America outside a few mega metro areas isn't very keen on being shit on by megaplex hipster lunacy.
.

 

[RUlookingup]

Yvette Clarke won't attend now, she of the "sneaky Dutch bastards" and phony Oberlin education credentials. Who cares Yvette!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Proof?

Who's got complete control over the country and a near super majority of states?

Not your political team......not team Clinton.....not team (D).

Like I said, proof is in alllllllllllllll that red on the map.

 

[Beco]

Who's got complete control over the country and a near super majority of states?

Not your political team......not team Clinton.....not team (D).

Like I said, proof is in alllllllllllllll that red on the map.

The Left has just pushed their agenda on us for far too long............its like, time to move on. Enough already! Then they put up a painting portraying a cop as a pig....its just too much, go away until 2018.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The Left has just pushed their agenda on us for far too long.

I agree....both Democrat and Republican.

Then they put up a painting portraying a cop as a pig....its just too much, go away until 2018.

I don't give a fuck about what they paint, it doesn't effect me and it is their right.

It's the not being able to engage in commerce, do things for myself or live the way I want to live that pisses me off. Socialist both democrat and republican alike have some serious control freak issues in this country.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

The question is why people voted the way they did.

Not disputing the red. What it means is another question.

How I would describe D failures is very different.

You're entitled to your opinion, obvs, but that's all it is

Who's got complete control over the country and a near super majority of states?

Not your political team......not team Clinton.....not team (D).

Like I said, proof is in alllllllllllllll that red on the map.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The question is why people voted the way they did.

Not disputing the red. What it means is another question.

Well it sure isn't because (D)'s been doing such a kick ass job that the country wants more of what they are offering.

How I would describe D failures is very different.

Obviously.

You're entitled to your opinion, obvs, but that's all it is

It's about as an observable, quantifiable fact as it gets.

If it was just your candidate that was shit but your politics were awesome Trump might have still won but there would be a lot more blue states and a blue congress.

That's not the case though....(D) collectively as a party got put on the bench this year by the people. Up and down from county level to D.C. (R) are almost a true super majority. If (D)'s continue to wage economic war against the working/middle class and do so with a bunch of 'fuck white guys' attitude (D) will continue to loose ground outside the megaplex metro areas, and (D) can't afford that.

Just a teeny bit more of flyover country lost to (R) and they will be able to do anything they want to the Constitution and the only thing NYC, LA, SF, Denver, Seattle, Portland, Chicago and DC metro areas are going to be able to do is get triggered.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

So, what you're saying is that he is better at maintaining highly confidential documents better than Hillary Clinton? I'm okay with that.

The election is over. He won. It doesn't matter. He knocked that bitch out of ever stepping foot in the White House as anything other than a Senator. And he did it despite every media source betting nearly 100% that he would lose by a landslide.

Trump started out as an attempt to press the hard issues and he defeated every goddamn politician our government could throw at him. That motherfucker is a genius. He deserves a goddamn medal for doing the unthinkable.

He said he wanted to have sex with his daughter and became the president of the US. BWAHAHAhahahahahahaha! That just shows how pathetic the far left has become. We're all tired of your political correct BULLSHIT.

Holy shit!

 

[Carnal_Flower]

The red is indisputable. The red is the NEWS. It's a color, I get that. It's a fact.

You're still just expressing your OPINION on what it means, which is fine, have at it. That's the COMMENTARY and INTERPRETATION. But you're confusing that with "fact."

You so want to insist your interpretation is it, is the only one. Shrug.

Like I said, have you moved out of your bubble for once second to listen to what voters say about why they voted the way they did? All I'm hearing is the echo chamber of a particular crowd.

Among other things, you're attributing way too much thinking to American voters.

Press them on "why," and you'll hear, "He's a businessman. He knows how to get things done."

"HIllary wants to take our guns."

"Hillary's a cunt."

"I'm a Christian, and I don't believe in abortion."

That's it. That's their rationale. If you start screaming about "regressive liberals" to them they'll just stare. You can attribute whatever motives you want to people; it's just as bigoted as D's screaming that they're all racists.

It's about as an observable, quantifiable fact as it gets.

If it was just your candidate that was shit but your politics were awesome Trump might have still won but there would be a lot more blue states and a blue congress.

That's not the case though....(D) collectively as a party got put on the bench this year by the people. Up and down from county level to D.C. (R) are almost a true super majority. If (D)'s continue to wage economic war against the working/middle class and do so with a bunch of 'fuck white guys' attitude (D) will continue to loose ground outside the megaplex metro areas, and (D) can't afford that.

Just a teeny bit more of flyover country lost to (R) and they will be able to do anything they want to the Constitution and the only thing NYC, LA, SF, Denver, Seattle, Portland, Chicago and DC metro areas are going to be able to do is get triggered.