Gun violence, the real red flags that no one talks about

[SugarDaddy1]

Democrats love guns. They have a policy of leaving no gun felon behind. So long as you actually assault someone with the gun or possess it after having committed a violent crime, you are a protected class in need of “criminal justice reform.” God help you, though, if you are caught carrying a gun to protect yourself from one of those carjackers roaming the streets of cities like Chicago.

Biden is calling on us to do “something” about guns and to pass red flag laws. Well, the biggest red flag is someone who with full due process has already been convicted of multiple violent crimes. That person shouldn’t own a gun, right? Well, what happens when he is caught illegally possessing one? Liberal prosecutors, politicians, and judges don’t want to lock him up because it would add to the prison numbers, which is an anathema to Biden’s de-incarceration goals. If you would only lock up the gun felons in this country – those who do harm to other people with guns or possess guns after having done harm to others – most violent crime would be deterred.

What is particularly egregious is that Democrats essentially do not believe in prison time for juvenile gun felons, even though an increasingly large share of gun crimes, especially armed carjackings, are being committed by those under 18. The same leftists who demand we raise the age for the legal purchase of firearms to 21 have no problems letting those under 18 off the hook after they assault someone with a firearm and then are caught multiple times while in felony possession of a firearm. Again, most of the murders and carjackings are committed by people who fit this criminal profile. You might call carjacking laws the ultimate red flag laws, except they are never enforced.

Every GOP governor would be wise to immediately call for mandatory 25-year sentencing with no good time credits or parole for anyone caught to be in felony possession after having been convicted as a violent felon or someone illegally possessing a gun in furtherance of a crime. Most cities are plagued by juvenile carjackers who assault people with guns multiple times in the same year and don’t go to prison. Biden and his ilk believe the age for carrying a gun should be 12 so long as that individual is assaulting people with it rather than defending themself from the assaulters.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-gun-violence-the-real-red-flags-that-no-one-talks-about

 

[ll74]

Starting off an opinion article with blame is always a winner

 

[pecksniff]

Most ex-felons are already barred from owning a gun, at least if they're released on probation.

 

[NotAFool]

Most ex-felons are already barred from owning a gun, at least if they're released on probation.

Depends on the state the county and city they were arrested in and in some places if they committed any violence in their convicted felony.

 

[NotAFool]

Depends on the state the county and city they were arrested in and in some places if they committed any violence in their convicted felony.

Might I add that being Banned from owning a firearm due to a felony in no way keeps that felon from owning a firearm.
That's why punishing law abiding firearm owners by taking their guns and rights to protect themselves, their family, their property and their neighbors is the most obvious power grab by a tyrannical government and what about their guns? How about they give up their guns, and we see how well that works out first. Lead by example.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Can somebody post where 2nd says the Right to bear arms is tied to you being a law abiding citizen cus I sure as fuck missed that line.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Most ex-felons are already barred from owning a gun, at least if they're released on probation.

*chuckle*

Expecting those who disregarded the law to
conform to and obey law inconvenient...
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Chobham]

Can somebody post where 2nd says the Right to bear arms is tied to you being a law abiding citizen cus I sure as fuck missed that line.

Convicted felons have for all intents and purposes forfeited many their Constitutional rights including the right to possess firearms and the right to vote. The circumstances under which those rights are restored vary from state to state.

The commission of felonies by minors has been increasing year by year. The street gangs attempt to recruit minors for these crimes knowing that the courts will be lenient and that upon the minor's 18th birthday the records will be sealed. In response to this trend some states have passed laws allowing for a minor to be tried as an adult for certain crimes but the courts have been reluctant to allow such actions to occur with rare exceptions.

Many states have passed enhanced sentencing laws with regard to the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. These laws are bypassed by many DA's, particularly those in urban jurisdictions. They are plea bargined away in return for an admission of guilt for a lesser offence. The excuse given for this practice is to streamline an already overburdened justice system. In other words as a matter of convenience for the courts at the expense of the community

 

[Sean Renaud]

Convicted felons have for all intents and purposes forfeited many their Constitutional rights including the right to possess firearms and the right to vote. The circumstances under which those rights are restored vary from state to state.

The commission of felonies by minors has been increasing year by year. The street gangs attempt to recruit minors for these crimes knowing that the courts will be lenient and that upon the minor's 18th birthday the records will be sealed. In response to this trend some states have passed laws allowing for a minor to be tried as an adult for certain crimes but the courts have been reluctant to allow such actions to occur with rare exceptions.

Many states have passed enhanced sentencing laws with regard to the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. These laws are bypassed by many DA's, particularly those in urban jurisdictions. They are plea bargined away in return for an admission of guilt for a lesser offence. The excuse given for this practice is to streamline an already overburdened justice system. In other words as a matter of convenience for the courts at the expense of the community

If something is a RIGHT it cannot be forfeit. What you're saying, while accurate, is that you don't have rights. You have privileges granted by the government and can be taken away just as easily.

Minors should NEVER be tried as adults. NEVER under any circumstances. We need to set a single age where you are considered an adult and nothing after that matters. If you're old enough to bleed for the country you're old enough to smoke and drink. If you're too young to vote you're too young to legally fuck. I don't care it they are all pushed to 21 or all lowered to 18. The numbers are largely arbitrary anyway.

The system is overburdened because it was pretty much designed to fail. You do know that since the 90's crime has been on a pretty constant decline both in the US and abroad right? As in whatever the hell we've been doing the last twenty years is at the very least not making the situation worse. We are seeing an increase in crime but nothing that really shouldn't be expected and it will get worse before it gets better.

We got whammied by the incompetent and increasingly criminal actions of Trump. The pandemic fucked everything up and thanks to places like China going back into lockdowns those supply lines aren't gonna get better soon. Russia chose one helluva time to start fucking with the status quo. Our stubborness with Iran, Cuba, Venezuela are kicking our asses but we are the winners of the "Play stupid games, get stupid prizes" contest.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

The State also forfeits the right to live in special circumstances as well as Liberty
and the pursuit of happiness (at the expense of the life, liberty, and property [happiness] of others).

Your point/argument has no merit. Natural rights are not a societal/cultural suicide pact.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Trump really did more of a number on you than the nation.

It's really, really sad and tragic.

Seek a support group.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Sean Renaud]

The State also forfeits the right to live in special circumstances as well as Liberty
and the pursuit of happiness (at the expense of the life, liberty, and property [happiness] of others).

Your point/argument has no merit. Natural rights are not a societal/cultural suicide pact.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

Natural rights are infact a societal/cultural suicide pact or rights do not exist. Its one or the other.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

You're going to have to explain yourself, that is not as a priori as you assume.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[HisArpy]

Can somebody post where 2nd says the Right to bear arms is tied to you being a law abiding citizen cus I sure as fuck missed that line.

Obviously, someone believes they're an expert on ConLaw even though they've never read the Constitution or any research on the issue of felons losing certain rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_of_rights_due_to_criminal_conviction

 

[LdyHoneybee]

Might I add that being Banned from owning a firearm due to a felony in no way keeps that felon from owning a firearm.
That's why punishing law abiding firearm owners by taking their guns and rights to protect themselves, their family, their property and their neighbors is the most obvious power grab by a tyrannical government and what about their guns? How about they give up their guns, and we see how well that works out first. Lead by example.

If we discarded ALL our laws because they are not 100% successful in doing what they attempt to do, we would have no laws left. True or not?

 

[NotAFool]

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If we discarded ALL our laws because they are not 100% successful in doing what they attempt to do, we would have no laws left. True or not?

o one said to discard laws. Just make laws according to the constitution and the people who don't follow the rights we all have according to the constitution or try to change what is written in the constitution is breaking laws/rights that are everyone's rights given because we are humans and no person or people are any better than anyone else and has no power to impose laws upon other people for their own benefit or anyone else's benefit.
Nobody has that right to tell people what they can or can't do unless someone is hurting, stealing, invading, etc... another person. Then people will stop that criminal for infringing on someone's rights.
Don't you want to be left alone and not be told what you can do or can't do as long as you aren't hurting or causing victims from your actions?

 

[Chobham]

If something is a RIGHT it cannot be forfeit. What you're saying, while accurate, is that you don't have rights. You have privileges granted by the government and can be taken away just as easily.

Minors should NEVER be tried as adults. NEVER under any circumstances. We need to set a single age where you are considered an adult and nothing after that matters. If you're old enough to bleed for the country you're old enough to smoke and drink. If you're too young to vote you're too young to legally fuck. I don't care it they are all pushed to 21 or all lowered to 18. The numbers are largely arbitrary anyway.

The system is overburdened because it was pretty much designed to fail. You do know that since the 90's crime has been on a pretty constant decline both in the US and abroad right? As in whatever the hell we've been doing the last twenty years is at the very least not making the situation worse. We are seeing an increase in crime but nothing that really shouldn't be expected and it will get worse before it gets better.

We got whammied by the incompetent and increasingly criminal actions of Trump. The pandemic fucked everything up and thanks to places like China going back into lockdowns those supply lines aren't gonna get better soon. Russia chose one helluva time to start fucking with the status quo. Our stubborness with Iran, Cuba, Venezuela are kicking our asses but we are the winners of the "Play stupid games, get stupid prizes" contest.

Trump??? You're a moron.

 

[LdyHoneybee]

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o one said to discard laws. Just make laws according to the constitution and the people who don't follow the rights we all have according to the constitution or try to change what is written in the constitution is breaking laws/rights that are everyone's rights given because we are humans and no person or people are any better than anyone else and has no power to impose laws upon other people for their own benefit or anyone else's benefit.
Nobody has that right to tell people what they can or can't do unless someone is hurting, stealing, invading, etc... another person. Then people will stop that criminal for infringing on someone's rights.
Don't you want to be left alone and not be told what you can do or can't do as long as you aren't hurting or causing victims from your actions?

Didn’t say anyone did. It was a reference to the REASON given that we do not even try to correct a very obvious problem.

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o one said to discard laws. Just make laws according to the constitution and the people who don't follow the rights we all have according to the constitution or try to change what is written in the constitution is breaking laws/rights that are everyone's rights given because we are humans and no person or people are any better than anyone else and has no power to impose laws upon other people for their own benefit or anyone else's benefit.
Nobody has that right to tell people what they can or can't do unless someone is hurting, stealing, invading, etc... another person. Then people will stop that criminal for infringing on someone's rights.
Don't you want to be left alone and not be told what you can do or can't do as long as you aren't hurting or causing victims from your actions?

 

[LdyHoneybee]

N

o one said to discard laws. Just make laws according to the constitution and the people who don't follow the rights we all have according to the constitution or try to change what is written in the constitution is breaking laws/rights that are everyone's rights given because we are humans and no person or people are any better than anyone else and has no power to impose laws upon other people for their own benefit or anyone else's benefit.
Nobody has that right to tell people what they can or can't do unless someone is hurting, stealing, invading, etc... another person. Then people will stop that criminal for infringing on someone's rights.
Don't you want to be left alone and not be told what you can do or can't do as long as you aren't hurting or causing victims from your actions?

Sorry i missed the part where i said to do away with all laws. Could you point that out because i don’t think i said that And i know i didn’t think it.

Meanwhile we have a terrible problem with people (many of whom are children) who we KNOW have “the breath of life” being murdered by people with guns every single day. So if we don’t do something about the availability of the weapons used to commit those murders, what DO we do? All the gun lobby says is “no.” Can we have better background checks and close the flaws in the law we know are allowing criminals to get guns illegally? No. Can we license guns as we license cars? No. Can we take some of the more dangerous and destructive kinds of weapons off the market or strenuously regulate them?No. Can we raise the age of purchase if we do not touch the age of ownership? No. Can we make bumpstocks illegal? No. People who want to try to handle the problem without turning the country and the hospitals and the schools and the grocery stores into an armed camp never get any answer but no and no interest in handling the problem in any other way BUT turning the country into an armed camp while the gun SELLERS (the NRA that has tricked gun OWNERS into thinking that they represent themby telling them over and over that the government wants to take all their guns when the government has had the chance to do that innumerable times without ever moving in that direction) Make money hand over fist to sue anyone who tries to do ANYTHING to handle this nightmare.

it seems to me that no one in the country is being “left alone” by anything except chance. Honk your horn at someone or cut him off and he may just decide he is a victim and pull a gun, especially with the number of people who have decided they are already victims when no one is actually bothering them but they just do not agree with them. There are plenty of guns around.

 

[LdyHoneybee]

If something is a RIGHT it cannot be forfeit. What you're saying, while accurate, is that you don't have rights. You have privileges granted by the government and can be taken away just as easily.

Minors should NEVER be tried as adults. NEVER under any circumstances. We need to set a single age where you are considered an adult and nothing after that matters. If you're old enough to bleed for the country you're old enough to smoke and drink. If you're too young to vote you're too young to legally fuck. I don't care it they are all pushed to 21 or all lowered to 18. The numbers are largely arbitrary anyway.

The system is overburdened because it was pretty much designed to fail. You do know that since the 90's crime has been on a pretty constant decline both in the US and abroad right? As in whatever the hell we've been doing the last twenty years is at the very least not making the situation worse. We are seeing an increase in crime but nothing that really shouldn't be expected and it will get worse before it gets better.

We got whammied by the incompetent and increasingly criminal actions of Trump. The pandemic fucked everything up and thanks to places like China going back into lockdowns those supply lines aren't gonna get better soon. Russia chose one helluva time to start fucking with the status quo. Our stubborness with Iran, Cuba, Venezuela are kicking our asses but we are the winners of the "Play stupid games, get stupid prizes" contest.

Chose it? putin saw the opening and either used Trump or appealed to Trump’s self interest and desire for money and power. Putin has been hoping for such an opportunity ever since the fall of the USSR. Manipulate the US into destroying itself, abandoning and insulting its allies, and you destroy NATO. THEN those countries like ukraine are defenseless against anything he wants to do. Next stops:, Poland, Germany, Lithuania, Belarus, Finland, Sweden, possibly the rest of Europe. (Why not with NATO out,of the way?

 

[NotAFool]

Didn’t say anyone did. It was a reference to the REASON given that we do not even try to correct a very obvious problem.

What is the very obvious problem, in your opinion?

 

[NotAFool]

Sorry i missed the part where i said to do away with all laws. Could you point that out because i don’t think i said that And i know i didn’t think it.

Meanwhile we have a terrible problem with people (many of whom are children) who we KNOW have “the breath of life” being murdered by people with guns every single day. So if we don’t do something about the availability of the weapons used to commit those murders, what DO we do? All the gun lobby says is “no.” Can we have better background checks and close the flaws in the law we know are allowing criminals to get guns illegally? No. Can we license guns as we license cars? No. Can we take some of the more dangerous and destructive kinds of weapons off the market or strenuously regulate them?No. Can we raise the age of purchase if we do not touch the age of ownership? No. Can we make bumpstocks illegal? No. People who want to try to handle the problem without turning the country and the hospitals and the schools and the grocery stores into an armed camp never get any answer but no and no interest in handling the problem in any other way BUT turning the country into an armed camp while the gun SELLERS (the NRA that has tricked gun OWNERS into thinking that they represent themby telling them over and over that the government wants to take all their guns when the government has had the chance to do that innumerable times without ever moving in that direction) Make money hand over fist to sue anyone who tries to do ANYTHING to handle this nightmare.

it seems to me that no one in the country is being “left alone” by anything except chance. Honk your horn at someone or cut him off and he may just decide he is a victim and pull a gun, especially with the number of people who have decided they are already victims when no one is actually bothering them but they just do not agree with them. There are plenty of guns around.

I apologize, I didn't see this reply until after asking you what you see as the obvious problem.

The problem isn't the firearms. Firearms don't and are not able to kill ot hurt anyone. They are inanimate objects, they are a tool without any way of victimizing anyone. You can take any type of gun, handgun, shotgun, rifle, semi automatic, full automatic machine gun, etc.. you can modify it with bump stocks, pistol grips, anything you want, load it with a single bullet, or a 50 bullet magazine, set it on the front porch or on your sofa or in your car or carry it on your person and that firearm will never ever ever point itself at soneone or something and pull its own trigger and discharge a round. The neighbors can walk by ot drive by, the mailman can walk by, kids can call it bad names, make fun of it, and that gun, any gun, will never ever over a 100 years it could sit there and it will never ever kill anyone.
It takes a person to use that tool, a human being has to pick up that gun and consciously think or say outloud, I'm going to point this deadly tool at another human being and squeeze the trigger to shoot that other person. And repeat that thought and action again and again.
All the laws and all the background checks and banning certain types of firearms will never keep people from using firearms to kill. Those things stop the law abiding person from the right to own a gun for protection and for hunting for food.
The way people are raised and or mental issues turns people into those who will use guns as a way to kill people. They will get guns illegally or legally, it doesn't matter to them. Outlawing guns completely doesn't work either and for many reasons.
So, what do we do about the people who use guns for killing and robberies etc... that is the real problem, not firearms.
People get killed from all kinds of tools every year, screwdrivers, hammers, knives, etc... why are people allowed to own tools? If people are being killed by automobiles get rid of cars? How about the 30 thousand or more deaths caused by medical mistakes? Do we ban doctors? Why is no one calling out for change in the medical field to prevent doctors from making mistakes and killing innocent people every day by the hundreds?

 

[LdyHoneybee]

I apologize, I didn't see this reply until after asking you what you see as the obvious problem.

The problem isn't the firearms. Firearms don't and are not able to kill ot hurt anyone. They are inanimate objects, they are a tool without any way of victimizing anyone. You can take any type of gun, handgun, shotgun, rifle, semi automatic, full automatic machine gun, etc.. you can modify it with bump stocks, pistol grips, anything you want, load it with a single bullet, or a 50 bullet magazine, set it on the front porch or on your sofa or in your car or carry it on your person and that firearm will never ever ever point itself at soneone or something and pull its own trigger and discharge a round. The neighbors can walk by ot drive by, the mailman can walk by, kids can call it bad names, make fun of it, and that gun, any gun, will never ever over a 100 years it could sit there and it will never ever kill anyone.
It takes a person to use that tool, a human being has to pick up that gun and consciously think or say outloud, I'm going to point this deadly tool at another human being and squeeze the trigger to shoot that other person. And repeat that thought and action again and again.
All the laws and all the background checks and banning certain types of firearms will never keep people from using firearms to kill. Those things stop the law abiding person from the right to own a gun for protection and for hunting for food.
The way people are raised and or mental issues turns people into those who will use guns as a way to kill people. They will get guns illegally or legally, it doesn't matter to them. Outlawing guns completely doesn't work either and for many reasons.
So, what do we do about the people who use guns for killing and robberies etc... that is the real problem, not firearms.
People get killed from all kinds of tools every year, screwdrivers, hammers, knives, etc... why are people allowed to own tools? If people are being killed by automobiles get rid of cars? How about the 30 thousand or more deaths caused by medical mistakes? Do we ban doctors? Why is no one calling out for change in the medical field to prevent doctors from making mistakes and killing innocent people every day by the hundreds?

Those arguments are just all worn out. Continuing to offer them just perpetuates the problem and worsens it. I don’t have any interest in answering them once again….and again…and again. A responsible gun owner would offer a responsible solution to the problem. But all anyone who wants to solve the problem ever gets is “no” or some off the wall idea that makes the problem worse.

One thing: The vast majority people (minors especially) who shoot other people don’t do it because they are mentally ill. They don’t even do it because they are scared. They do it because they are angry about something.. And everyone is capable of anger although the vast majority are men or boys. Maybe we should drug all the guys to calm them down And they can manage their anger. It is a stupid idea but I am tired of having all the reasonable ones shot down.

 

[LdyHoneybee]

What is the very obvious problem, in your opinion?

Inability or unwillingness to recognize that we have a serious and violent social problem that they did not have in 1783. So how do you propose to solve it? Solve the problem. I am tired of trying. More guns just gives more people the opportunity to resolve their differences violently So that won’t work. More money for mental health? People say that but then they balk at higher taxes. Do they want more services for free? Another problem because life does not work that way in a capitalist society. And anyway, mental health is not the problem, anger is. A start on that problem is to dispense with social media that fosters anger and division. But nobody wants to do that or learn to discuss problems instead of dissolving into anger and insults and character assassination and even revenge when someone dares to disagree. oh well.

 

[Chobham]

A whole slew of "Gun Control" laws are about to fall into the dust bin of history and America is 'arming up.'