American gun suppliers responsible for arms crossing into South America, fueling the fentanyl and border problems

[butters]

i found this a pretty interesting article, well worth the total read. It focuses on leaked 'hacked' information that has been verified and reveals the cycle revolving around guns narcotics and the border problems as guns travel from North America down across the border into Mexico, driving the flow of narcotics northwards and terrified civilians escaping the cartel violence to the border.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=ee3c42559c914562a641684ec7434afa&ei=26

seems it's hard for the cartels to legally acquire the kind of weaponry they desire, so they rely on sources from the USA to get them. The more guns in the hands of cartels, the more violence, the more bodies, the more populace wanting to flee to a safer environment: the USA

In Mexico, firearm purchases are much different than in the U.S. Civilians are only able to obtain a firearm legally from two stores in the entire nation and only after months of paperwork and registrations. That means a majority of gun crimes are committed with smuggled American firearms.

hacked information from Mexico, verified, shines a bright light on how many firearms reach Mexico and the sources of those weapons.

Partnering with American attorneys, Celorio is going after Barrett, Beretta, Century Arms, Colt, Glock, Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger & Co. in a $10 billion suit that was revived by an appeals court in March.

In a separate suit, they have accused five Arizona gun shops – many of which also appear in the hacked data obtained by USA TODAY, of selling guns that crossed the border and were used in crimes.

Mexican officials are particularly concerned about Arizona and Texas big-box stores near the border such as Cabela’s and Academy Sports + Outdoors because of how often they sell multiple rifles in a single transaction. Those stores sold 727 and 215 respectively of the guns recovered in Mexico from 2020 to 2022.

It also shows how an Arizona action from 2006-2011 to 'stand down' and watch straw buyers illegally purchase 2,00 weapons and sell them on in order to reap arrests failed spectacularly, resulting in few arrests and the loss of many of those weapons which are still turning up today at crime scenes in Mexico.

Of the other six top purchasers, half are linked to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives scandal known as Fast and Furious.

From 2006-2011 agents in Arizona stood down as straw purchasers illegally bought 2,000 guns at shops, intending to use the information to track trafficking patterns and arrest the kingpins. However, agents didn’t deliver the high-level arrests – and in the process, they lost track of hundreds of guns.

 

[wizzard426]

https://www.nssf.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/90-percent-myth-factsheet.pdf

 

[TastySuckToy]

The more guns in the hands of cartels, the more violence, the more bodies, the more populace wanting to flee to a safer environment: the USA

Is this the same USA that has a Second Amendment and enormous amounts of guns accessible to everyone?

Nice to see someone admit a nation that allows its citizens to protect themselves is a safer place.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Is this the same USA that has a Second Amendment and enormous amounts of guns accessible to everyone?

Nice to see someone admit a nation that allows its citizens to protect themselves is a safer place.

Statistically, the US is only safer than failed nations and war zones.

 

[Chobham]

Statistically, the US is only safer than failed nations and war zones.

Isn't wonderful that we live in a nation where the government makes the raw numbers available so that we know exactly where the problem is?

 

[Buffalogurl]

i found this a pretty interesting article, well worth the total read. It focuses on leaked 'hacked' information that has been verified and reveals the cycle revolving around guns narcotics and the border problems as guns travel from North America down across the border into Mexico, driving the flow of narcotics northwards and terrified civilians escaping the cartel violence to the border.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=ee3c42559c914562a641684ec7434afa&ei=26

seems it's hard for the cartels to legally acquire the kind of weaponry they desire, so they rely on sources from the USA to get them. The more guns in the hands of cartels, the more violence, the more bodies, the more populace wanting to flee to a safer environment: the USA


hacked information from Mexico, verified, shines a bright light on how many firearms reach Mexico and the sources of those weapons.



It also shows how an Arizona action from 2006-2011 to 'stand down' and watch straw buyers illegally purchase 2,00 weapons and sell them on in order to reap arrests failed spectacularly, resulting in few arrests and the loss of many of those weapons which are still turning up today at crime scenes in Mexico.

This entire situation was started under the Obama regime, named operation fast and furious..... Google it..... these guns, most of them were acquired from law enforcement agencies that were confiscated from criminals, that shit stain Eric holder was very instrumental in this disaster. Understandably the Mexican government was pissed about the situation. (The gun laws in Mexico are extremely restrictive).... how's that working out for the Mexicans? Further more it was exposed the wet backs illegally crossing the border (some of them had family in the border states) were acquiring guns from "straw" purchases then taking them back to Mexico.... all of this is illegal.... but yet it continues......

 

[Fuzzy1975]

This entire situation was started under the Obama regime, named operation fast and furious.....

Guns have been smuggled across the border by the cartels for decades....Obama didn't start this, but I'm not surprised you think he did...

 

[coati]

The over-proliferation of guns in America, coupled with the over-proliferation of conspiracy theories and narcissism, are leading to chaos and conflict in the Americas

 

[jaF0]

Guns have been smuggled across the border by the cartels for decades....Obama didn't start this, but I'm not surprised you think he did...

That doesn't mean Holder shouldn't be prosecuted.

 

[wizzard426]

Nobody died at Watergate

The F&F five: 0berry Davis, Joe Xiden, Eric "Oklahoma City" Holder, Dianne "Jonestown" Feinstein, Harry "black eye" Reid

 

[Bray123]

Isn't wonderful that we live in a nation where the government makes the raw numbers available so that we know exactly where the problem is?

Isn't is wonderful to live in a country where so many people are shot that there are meaningful statistics to analyse?

 

[Rotadom]

Nobody died at Watergate

The F&F five: 0berry Davis, Joe Xiden, Eric "Oklahoma City" Holder, Dianne "Jonestown" Feinstein, Harry "black eye" Reid

These are terrible nicknames.

Are you good at anything?

 

[butters]

Isn't is wonderful to live in a country where so many people are shot that there are meaningful statistics to analyse?

ok, so you had me click chubby's post to see what you were responding to: the 'raw numbers' certainly did NOT show 'where the problem was', since all THAT relevant data wasn't public due to legal shit to 'protect gun sellers'. We (the public) only found out the 'who and 'where' thanks to the hackers releasing information gleaned from the MEXICAN gov't

reminds me why i have him on ignore.

 

[Chobham]

ok, so you had me click chubby's post to see what you were responding to: the 'raw numbers' certainly did NOT show 'where the problem was', since all THAT relevant data wasn't public due to legal shit to 'protect gun sellers'. We (the public) only found out the 'who and 'where' thanks to the hackers releasing information gleaned from the MEXICAN gov't

reminds me why i have him on ignore.

This reply falls under the heading of arguing with the village idiot but I'll make an exception just this one time.

The cartels and the damage they do are all the problems of the Mexican government, not US firearm manufacturers. This is just a case of transference on the part of the US gun grabbers. More importantly it is absolute proof of the old saw, "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

If the Mexican government were seriously determined to deal with the Cartels they could do so tomorrow, but they won't. The Cartels are an important revenue source for Mexico, just as prevailing in this ridiculous law suit would be. It's all about the money and doesn't have a damn thing to do with public safety or drug interdiction.

The law suit will end up going nowhere. The logic behind the suit is the same as allowing GM to be sued because some drunk drivers drive their cars.

 

[SmokingFap]

Further more it was exposed the wet backs illegally crossing the border...

No other commentary necessary. That's all we needed to know about you.

 

[Bray123]

This reply falls under the heading of arguing with the village idiot but I'll make an exception just this one time.

The cartels and the damage they do are all the problems of the Mexican government, not US firearm manufacturers. This is just a case of transference on the part of the US gun grabbers. More importantly it is absolute proof of the old saw, "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

If the Mexican government were seriously determined to deal with the Cartels they could do so tomorrow, but they won't. The Cartels are an important revenue source for Mexico, just as prevailing in this ridiculous law suit would be. It's all about the money and doesn't have a damn thing to do with public safety or drug interdiction.

The law suit will end up going nowhere. The logic behind the suit is the same as allowing GM to be sued because some drunk drivers drive their cars.

Yup, all the fault of the Mexican government.

Nothing to do with Americans buying guns and smuggling them across the border then coming back with Fentanyl to sell to other Americans. It's always somebody else's fault, this time the Mexican government. They've made the problem in the first place by introducing restrictions on guns. That forces their population to purchase illegal guns from smugglers.

Why not campaign to make Fentanyl legal, that will break up the smuggling circle just as effectively. The Fentanyl ban is the fault of the US government!!!

(or even, hold this thought, get the US government to break up the Texan gun-owning cartels).

 

[Chobham]

That's right, the Mexican government. They are a borderline narco-state and have been for going on 40 years now.

Really quick to blame it all on the US, aren't you? Gives us a good look at your mind set. Let's start with a very simple notion here, corrupt commerce corrupts BOTH the buyer and the seller. Let's see if that sinks in.

Further the modes of commerce are varied. The "guns for drugs" commerce is the more common transaction where STOLEN guns in the US are traded, along with cash, for drugs. The US component are local gangs that steal the guns and distribute the drugs. The cartels do the smuggling in both directions, they're very good at smuggling, guns, drugs, humans, you name it. The transactions that the article talks about are "guns for cash" transactions and are relatively easy to track down on the US side, The convictions cited are just a few of the many that have taken place.

 

[Bray123]

That's right, the Mexican government. They are a borderline narco-state and have been for going on 40 years now.

Really quick to blame it all on the US, aren't you? Gives us a good look at your mind set. Let's start with a very simple notion here, corrupt commerce corrupts BOTH the buyer and the seller. Let's see if that sinks in.

Further the modes of commerce are varied. The "guns for drugs" commerce is the more common transaction where STOLEN guns in the US are traded, along with cash, for drugs. The US component are local gangs that steal the guns and distribute the drugs. The cartels do the smuggling in both directions, they're very good at smuggling, guns, drugs, humans, you name it. The transactions that the article talks about are "guns for cash" transactions and are relatively easy to track down on the US side, The convictions cited are just a few of the many that have taken place.

So you support making guns harder to steal. Pass laws to make owners keep them in locked cabinets, separate from ammunition and to report any losses/thefts to police with a compulsory registration so that owners can be traced..

 

[Buffalogurl]

No other commentary necessary. That's all we needed to know about you.

https://nypost.com/2024/05/07/us-news/undocumented-migrant-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-girl-11/
Here's a "fine" example of your upstanding Wet back that your kind is protecting... the girl this shit stain raped is 11 years old ....... all that comes to mind is wood chipper...

 

[Fuzzy1975]

https://nypost.com/2024/05/07/us-news/undocumented-migrant-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-girl-11/
Here's a "fine" example of your upstanding Wet back that your kind is protecting... the girl this shit stain raped is 11 years old ....... all that comes to mind is wood chipper...

Wet back....yep using language like that pretty much shows your true colours. So is Christopher Mirasolo considered a wet back? Or what derogatory term do you have for white guys who rape 12 year olds?

 

[Buffalogurl]

Wet back....yep using language like that pretty much shows your true colours. So is Christopher Mirasolo considered a wet back? Or what derogatory term do you have for white guys who rape 12 year olds?

Your obviously more offended by the term wet back that this sit stain raping an 11 year old girl (shows your  True colors) . As far as the white Christopher mirasolo goes, if he is guilty of rape stuff him in the wood chipper as well.... fuzzy, every dog has his day, when one of these filthy illegal shit stains destroys your life, I'm not going to say I told you so... I'm going to say, I informed you thusly ( borrowing a line from a sitcom) honestly I hope you go through life never experiencing the horror of sexual assault of yourself or a loved one...

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Your obviously more offended by the term wet back that this sit stain raping an 11 year old girl (shows your  True colors) .

Nice try racist.

As far as the white Christopher mirasolo goes, if he is guilty of rape stuff him in the wood chipper as well.... fuzzy, every dog has his day, when one of these filthy illegal shit stains destroys your life, I'm not going to say I told you so... I'm going to say, I informed you thusly ( borrowing a line from a sitcom) honestly I hope you go through life never experiencing the horror of sexual assault of yourself or a loved one...

So you call a white rapist what again?

 

[Buffalogurl]

Nice try racist.

So you call a white rapist what again?

No matter what fuzzy your still more offended by the term "wet back" that the crime of rape...

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No matter what fuzzy your still more offended by the term "wet back" that the crime of rape...

nice try at projection Racist.

 

[SmokingFap]

https://nypost.com/2024/05/07/us-news/undocumented-migrant-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-girl-11/
Here's a "fine" example of your upstanding Wet back that your kind is protecting... the girl this shit stain raped is 11 years old ....... all that comes to mind is wood chipper...

I'm sure I could find similar examples of men from your trailer park, as well.