Gun Control, but not Abortion Control?

[BotanyBoy]

So way bother with car registeration then?

Woof!

Generates a SHIT load of revenue to build/maintain the roadways we drive on...shit's not free, and anyone who doesn't want the wrath of the law brought upon them pays their tax, get's a little sticker for the year and the law enforcers leave them alone as long as they play by all the other rules that have nothing to do with registration. If you don't drive on public roads you don't have to register (pay road taxes). Hell my gramps has a F100 that hasn't been registered in 40 some years b/c it never leaves the farm, and no one cares.

Guns would be no different except there is no infrastructure for them to build/maintain needed for their ownership/use, making gun registration an asshole tax of the purest sort. And just like cars registration would have ZERO effect over their use.

Licencing/training of people as gun owners would be far more effective (dependent on law enforcement more so than anything) much like a drivers licence. No licence...no gun...if you get caught you go to jail, simple as that. It would draw a clear cut line through the grey area cops find themselves in with "Should this person have a gun?". Simple solution...run SSN through data base, and they are or they aren't and the go or do not go to jail.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Generates a SHIT load of revenue to build/maintain the roadways we drive on...shit's not free, and anyone who doesn't want the wrath of the law brought upon them pays their tax, get's a little sticker for the year and the law enforcers leave them alone as long as they play by all the other rules that have nothing to do with registration. If you don't drive on public roads you don't have to register (pay road taxes). Hell my gramps has a F100 that hasn't been registered in 40 some years b/c it never leaves the farm, and no one cares.

Guns would be no different except there is no infrastructure for them to build/maintain needed for their ownership/use, making gun registration an asshole tax of the purest sort. And just like cars registration would have ZERO effect over their use.

Licencing/training of people as gun owners would be far more effective (dependent on law enforcement more so than anything) much like a drivers licence. No licence...no gun...if you get caught you go to jail, simple as that. It would draw a clear cut line through the grey area cops find themselves in with "Should this person have a gun?". Simple solution...run SSN through data base, and they are or they aren't and the go or do not go to jail.

So you're telling me your police force doesn’t run registration checks on cars and it makes no difference if they do?

Well that’s strange because the PA cop who pulled me up in December seemed quite enthusiastic about running a check on my car. I wonder why?

Any ideas?

Woof!

 

[UrsulaX]

In response to about_average ...

You suggest that the best way to reduce the number of abortions is better sex education and access to clinics. The same argument could be used to reduce gun deaths, better education and access to training.

Well, I’m not sure I would call it the best way, but I think improving education and technology is a good approach to the abortion issue. I have nothing against self-defense classes or physical fitness training, and I think it goes without saying that anyone who owns a firearm should be properly trained. However, I have difficulty accepting any form of civilian gun training as adequate preparation for a volatile situation involving guns. Police officers are trained, supervised, restricted by rules and regulations, and subjected to mental and physical evaluations. Yet, they have been shot, wounded, and disarmed in the line of duty. They have also abused their authority, committed crimes, and accidentally injured and killed innocent bystanders, as well as other officers. My point is that guns are cheap, efficient lethal weapons, which indiscriminately turn accidents, hostile acts, and good intentions into deadly encounters with minimal effort on the part of all involved.

You're implying that if suddenly every gun in the US fell in to a black hole tomorrow, no person would ever again suffer a violent death at the hands of another. Sure, it would be great if that were the case, but plenty of people are killed by others who aren't wielding guns.

Actually, I am arguing that limiting the availability of guns and any other deadly weapon (my objection is not limited to guns) would minimize fatal accidents and the effects of intended violence.

Do you tell the woman who is gang raped while walking to her car, "Well, at least you didn't have a gun because you might have someday shot yourself"?

I tell her, “At least your assailants did not steal your gun when they grabbed your purse and attacked you from behind. At least you are still alive, along with everyone else who crossed paths with the rapists you would have unwittingly armed. At least you do not have any deaths, intended or otherwise, on your conscience.”

Are you willing to sacrifice the life of the woman in Loganville, GA and her children (and others like them) on the alter of a gun free society?

I am not willing to sacrifice anyone’s life and that’s my problem. Guns kill more readily than they protect. The defender is always at a disadvantage, because he/she does not really want to hurt anyone. The attacker has no such compunction.

Is that really better than making every effort (which doesn't happen now) to make sure that people who are very unstable aren't able to get the devices to kill others? Be they guns, homemade bombs or destructive things?

You cannot ensure that unfit individuals (children, mentally handicapped, criminals, etc.) have no access to destructive weapons if destructive weapons are everywhere. It would be far easier to limit the number of weapons in circulation and curb the problem that way than to try to identify and police unstable members of the population. You do not promote a peaceful world by giving every country a nuclear bomb while encouraging diplomacy.

I have no idea what your real position is, but there are many who would be happy to have taken away that woman's ability to defend herself and her children from someone who wasn't armed with a gun, but who was intent on doing evil. And she is by no means an isolated case. Just the recently most newsworthy.

Who’s taking away her ability to defend herself? I’m simply asking her to be a little more creative.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So you're telling me your police force doesn’t run registration checks on cars and it makes no difference if they do?

Well that’s strange because the PA cop who pulled me up in December seemed quite enthusiastic about running a check on my car. I wonder why?

Any ideas?

Woof!

To see if you paid your tax and if the car belongs to you...it's the only thing he can use it for.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The problem, as I see it, is a lack of responsibility among firearms fetishists.

What we need is a Firearms Responsibility Act.

Simply put, elevate any crime involving a firearm to a Federal Capital Offense, with a mandatory death sentence. No exceptions.

• Crook robs a store with a gun? Death sentence.
• Accidently shoot someone? Death sentence.
• Get caught by TSA agents attempting to take a gun through a metal detector? Death sentence.
• Your kid takes a gun to school to show off? Death sentence.
• Carry a concealed weapon without a permit? Death sentence.

I can't see how any NRA member would be opposed to this, as they've yammered about responsible gun ownership for years. This legislation would take away a hallowed talking point of the NRA and their overcompensating followers "Criminals will always be able to get guns!"...this will still be true, but they won't use them more than once!

Obviously, this won't affect NRA members since they are all law abiding white males. This will, however, quickly and ruthlessly "thin the herd" of irresponsible gun scofflaws....Not to mention make people think twice before deciding to own a gun.

 

[LadyVer]

The problem, as I see it, is a lack of responsibility among firearms fetishists.

What we need is a Firearms Responsibility Act.

Simply put, elevate any crime involving a firearm to a Federal Capital Offense, with a mandatory death sentence. No exceptions.

• Crook robs a store with a gun? Death sentence.
• Accidently shoot someone? Death sentence.
• Get caught by TSA agents attempting to take a gun through a metal detector? Death sentence.
• Your kid takes a gun to school to show off? Death sentence.
• Carry a concealed weapon without a permit? Death sentence.

I can't see how any NRA member would be opposed to this, as they've yammered about responsible gun ownership for years. This legislation would take away a hallowed talking point of the NRA and their overcompensating followers "Criminals will always be able to get guns!"...this will still be true, but they won't use them more than once!

Obviously, this won't affect NRA members since they are all law abiding white males. This will, however, quickly and ruthlessly "thin the herd" of irresponsible gun scofflaws....Not to mention make people think twice before deciding to own a gun.

Interesting.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Here? This isn't the only place for that.

I was raised in TN. My family always registered their guns. I could walk into any county office (same with any place selling guns, including Walmart) with my guns to show physical proof of the numbers on the gun. No drama, no problem. In TX, I did the same thing. No problem again.

A few years later, I'm walking into the county seat of where I now live to do the same, where it's also normal. When I come out to my car, there's 3 cop cars pulling up and 6 cops saying they had two 911 calls w/a physical description of me acting like a madman. As I was showing them my papers and license, they said sorry about the misunderstanding and sped off.

So you can't name any poster on here, or any politician who has called for an all out gun ban?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The problem, as I see it, is a lack of responsibility among firearms fetishists.

What we need is a Firearms Responsibility Act.

Simply put, elevate any crime involving a firearm to a Federal Capital Offense, with a mandatory death sentence. No exceptions.

• Crook robs a store with a gun? Death sentence.
• Accidently shoot someone? Death sentence.
• Get caught by TSA agents attempting to take a gun through a metal detector? Death sentence.
• Your kid takes a gun to school to show off? Death sentence.
• Carry a concealed weapon without a permit? Death sentence.

I can't see how any NRA member would be opposed to this, as they've yammered about responsible gun ownership for years. This legislation would take away a hallowed talking point of the NRA and their overcompensating followers "Criminals will always be able to get guns!"...this will still be true, but they won't use them more than once!

Obviously, this won't affect NRA members since they are all law abiding white males. This will, however, quickly and ruthlessly "thin the herd" of irresponsible gun scofflaws....Not to mention make people think twice before deciding to own a gun.

They would have a major exception to that. It would cut down their membership and how much money they pull in.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

So what is the point?

If they aren't used in a crime no one gives 2 shits who or what they are used for bro....I can get wasted and blow 10,000 rounds out of a .50 cal machine gun off my back porch into the hillside at paper targets and not a single fuck would EVER be given, not in a billion years.

We do have auto registration...doesn't do a single thing to stop auto theft, drunk drivers, reckless drivers etc. it's a tax to pay for roads/road side assistance programs/cops etc. it's a tax for a little sticker that says you paid you fee to drive around, that's it and everyone knows it.

Gun theft is 10x easier!! 2 min with a file and the entire system is rendered pointless, which is my point. And also the very reason gun registrations and numbers are only ever used or could possibly be useful would be when someone is playing 100% by the rules, we aren't worried about them. IF someone doesn't play by the rules and commits a crime they use ballistic evidence, it's far more accurate than registration paperwork making that system a redundant money pit.

We need registration to prevent criminals from getting guns.

 

[eyer]

Here? This isn't the only place for that.

I was raised in TN. My family always registered their guns. I could walk into any county office (same with any place selling guns, including Walmart) with my guns to show physical proof of the numbers on the gun. No drama, no problem. In TX, I did the same thing. No problem again.

A few years later, I'm walking into the county seat of where I now live to do the same, where it's also normal. When I come out to my car, there's 3 cop cars pulling up and 6 cops saying they had two 911 calls w/a physical description of me acting like a madman. As I was showing them my papers and license, they said sorry about the misunderstanding and sped off.

Interesting...

...you fabricate in almost the exact style as Johnny Bob, and Johnny Bob often referred to his time in Texas, too.

Were you and he gay Lone Star lovers?

 

[BotanyBoy]

We need registration to prevent criminals from getting guns.

Does car registration prevent criminals from stealing cars? Or Driving drunk?

What makes you think it would stop them from stealing guns?

Also what would this registration do to stop someone who was 100% legal from coming unglued ?

Not a mother fucking thing.....the argument for gun registration is about as retarded as an assault weapons ban without the total search and seizure of semi auto everything, pissing up a flag pole.

If you simply want to excise an asshole tax against gun owners just because....then just say so, but the registration doesn't even help solve crimes much less prevent them.

 

[eyer]

We need registration to prevent criminals from getting guns.

Too friggin' funny...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Does car registration prevent criminals from stealing cars? Or Driving drunk?

What makes you think it would stop them from stealing guns?

Also what would this registration do to stop someone who was 100% legal from coming unglued ?

Not a mother fucking thing.....the argument for gun registration is about as retarded as an assault weapons ban without the total search and seizure of semi auto everything, pissing up a flag pole.

If you simply want to excise an asshole tax against gun owners just because....then just say so, but the registration doesn't even help solve crimes much less prevent them.

I noticed you were too chickenshit to respond to my proposal.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

Then why create this fucking thread? Wow...did you step into that one. What a fucking idiot.

Awe, the douche canoe cannot formulate a sentence without being vulgar. Pity.

I stated "In the Right's defense, they (nor do I) see abortion as a "right." But the SCOTUS ruled it is, so I abide."


Nothing wrong with that statement. I do not see it as a right, but the SCOTUS stated it was, so it's a right. Do not like it? Then finger your ass and yell out loud how you are being raped by a midget.

Asshole.

PS
See, I can be vulgar too.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Does car registration prevent criminals from stealing cars? Or Driving drunk?

What makes you think it would stop them from stealing guns?

Also what would this registration do to stop someone who was 100% legal from coming unglued ?

Not a mother fucking thing.....the argument for gun registration is about as retarded as an assault weapons ban without the total search and seizure of semi auto everything, pissing up a flag pole.

If you simply want to excise an asshole tax against gun owners just because....then just say so, but the registration doesn't even help solve crimes much less prevent them.

Why would they steal it when they could buy it?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I noticed you were too chickenshit to respond to my proposal.

Because it's irrational and asinine....which I just find shocking Mr.Left wing Pro capital punishment

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why would they steal it when they could buy it?

If they are buying it illegally it wouldn't matter....

If they buy legally then criminal offenders and the mentally insane are already banned from ownership.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

If they are buying it illegally it wouldn't matter....

If they buy legally then criminal offenders and the mentally insane are already banned from ownership.

Of course it matters. Fewer people would sell them guns if they knew there were consequences for doing so.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

The problem, as I see it, is a lack of responsibility among firearms fetishists.

What we need is a Firearms Responsibility Act.

Simply put, elevate any crime involving a firearm to a Federal Capital Offense, with a mandatory death sentence. No exceptions.

• Crook robs a store with a gun? Death sentence.
• Accidently shoot someone? Death sentence.
• Get caught by TSA agents attempting to take a gun through a metal detector? Death sentence.
• Your kid takes a gun to school to show off? Death sentence.
• Carry a concealed weapon without a permit? Death sentence.

I can't see how any NRA member would be opposed to this, as they've yammered about responsible gun ownership for years. This legislation would take away a hallowed talking point of the NRA and their overcompensating followers "Criminals will always be able to get guns!"...this will still be true, but they won't use them more than once!

Obviously, this won't affect NRA members since they are all law abiding white males. This will, however, quickly and ruthlessly "thin the herd" of irresponsible gun scofflaws....Not to mention make people think twice before deciding to own a gun.

Silly, silly, silly. Now, make the penalty 10 years in jail with no chance of parole and we may be on to something.

Still would not have prevented the Sandy Hook incident. Does that bother you?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Of course it matters. Fewer people would sell them guns if they knew there were consequences for doing so.

Newsflash high speed....there are already some righteously stiff penalties already in place for illegal/black market arms dealing, but they still do it.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Newsflash high speed....there are already some righteously stiff penalties already in place for illegal/black market arms dealing, but they still do it.

Newsflash, no there's not.

 

[coastal-boy]

What registration does is provide an avenue to insure weapons against illegal use. If a weapon is used illegally, your insurance policy pays. This forces the burden of damage payment away from the victim and onto those that want the weapons in the first place. You insure your car. You insure your house. You insure your life. If you don't want gun control. Then require ALL weapons to be insured.

80% of all mass murders (4 or more dead at a single time) were done using legally purchased guns that were USED illegally. Of the 64 mass killings done in the US in the past decade, all of them used guns. 48% used a semi-automatic hand gun. 24% used a semi-automatic "assault" rifle. Since the MAJORITY of the weapons WERE purchased legally, if we require an insurance policy attached to each weapon, then 80% of the mass killings would have legal compensation.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Because it's irrational and asinine....which I just find shocking Mr.Left wing Pro capital punishment

Your cowardice is duly noted.

Maybe if you bought a gun, you'd be braver.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Silly, silly, silly. Now, make the penalty 10 years in jail with no chance of parole and we may be on to something.

Still would not have prevented the Sandy Hook incident. Does that bother you?

Soft on crime, eh? That wussy attitude is why criminals use guns with impugnity.

No solution is 100% perfect. There have been hundreds of firearms-related deaths since Sandy Hook. Does that bother YOU?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Newsflash, no there's not.

Really? Good to know, I'll stand on the street corner selling glocks out of a roll around cart since there is no regulations to control the sale of guns. I'm sure law enforcement wont drag my ass off to jail....