Government shutdown over illegals?

[WoundedKnee]

I did not claim that; you're back to your original attack, I see. I was talking about the writings of Rueben Martinez, a Hispanic who lives in the area and paraphrasing what I was reading of his writings. Now, why are you calling them "uppity Indians?" None of us did that or implied that. You simply lack the skill set to engage in civil discourse.

 

[coati]

You tell me. Why are these uppity Indians, and why you regard them as that, I have no idea, you chose to frame them in that light, are the only true natives?

This, coming from the guy whose on-screen name comes from a massacre of natives. Let's just put it this way, they are much more native than you are.

I framed Bellisarius as sneering at uppity "Indians" because of his *chuckle* about their claim to be native.

 

[WoundedKnee]

No, it comes from my disability, but thank you for proving my most salient point about you; when cornered and unable to defend your position, you lash out, angrily, like some feral cat.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Yeah, but by using the word "uppity" you outed your baser instinct.

 

[Tristyn]

I did not claim that; you're back to your original attack, I see. I was talking about the writings of Rueben Martinez, a Hispanic who lives in the area and paraphrasing what I was reading of his writings. Now, why are you calling them "uppity Indians?" None of us did that or implied that. You simply lack the skill set to engage in civil discourse.

Hello, RG.

Rueben Martinez is a presidential fellow in education at Chapman University in Orange, CA.

 

[coati]

Just keep on collecting those disability checks while making snide remarks about people who are not self-reliant, and pontificate all you want about natives not being actual natives, but if you don't want anyone challenging the basis for your pseudo intellectual pronouncements, stick to the breakfast club at Denny's.

 

[Rightguide]

Well, Russell had the option to call himself what the Europeans initially labelled the people they found in the New World when they mistakenly thought they had landed in the East Indies.

My neighbors call themselves by their nations of origin, such as Tohono Odom, Apache, Navajo, Hopi. And, note to the guy who goes by the moniker "Wounded Knee", these tribes in the Southwest consider themselves to be a lot more native than those of us with European descent, and are not swayed by the argument that the displacement of their tribes are justified by social Darwinism.

Note that without even trying it's easy to find real Indians who are proud to be called "Indians," that was my point. I don't consider them to be any more native than me, being a 7th generation American.

 

[Rightguide]

I framed Bellisarius as sneering at uppity "Indians" because of his *chuckle* about their claim to be native.

He was probably referring to those "Indians" with green and blue eyes like Senator Warren, who's claim to American Indian heritage is tenuous at best.

 

[Hypoxia]

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He's Italian, not Native American.

 

[Rightguide]

Hello, RG.

Rueben Martinez is a presidential fellow in education at Chapman University in Orange, CA.

Good morning, Tristyn.

There's probably a couple thousand Rueben Martinez's in California.

 

[bellisarius]

He was probably referring to those "Indians" with green and blue eyes like Senator Warren, who's claim to American Indian heritage is tenuous at best.

Based on what you quoted the brain dead mother fucker hallucinates......a lot.

 

[Rightguide]

He's Italian, not Native American.

Back when the left was trying to sell the American Indian as a great environmentalist but had to find a European to do it.

 

[Rightguide]

Based on what you quoted the brain dead mother fucker hallucinates......a lot.

Today's popular image of the American Indian, his beliefs, behaviors, and history, have little relationship to historical reality. The American Indian was great in his own space, in his own right, it's when we try to romanticize him and protect from view the reality of his existence with the political correct teachings of today we insult and diminish that existence.

 

[richard_daily]

Are AJ and vetteman whitesplaining the Native American experience again?

 

[coati]

Note that without even trying it's easy to find real Indians who are proud to be called "Indians," that was my point. I don't consider them to be any more native than me, being a 7th generation American.

Perhaps you don't understand the history of the "discovery" of the New World. Way back at that alleged 7th generation, you were an immigrant, and there were people living here at the time who had roots going back many, many more generations.

Time did not begin when Europeans started recording it. And yes, those tribes are more native than you are, so let's get that fact straight. Just because you think something does not make it so.

That's the thing that gets me about this whole thread on immigration. The right wingers want to institute this new definition of nativism, when almost all of us were immigrants at one point or another. Listen to them quibble about the native tribes. Listen to them harp about taking back their country and making it great again.

 

[coati]

He was probably referring to those "Indians" with green and blue eyes like Senator Warren, who's claim to American Indian heritage is tenuous at best.

Perhaps people like Senator Warren and Rightguide want to consider themselves native. One claims to have native heritage, which is easy enough to determine with genetic testing, and the other says occupancy going back 7 generations makes him as native as the tribes who were here at the time his ancestors immigrated.

Sounds like Rightguide has something in common with Senator Warren, although Rightguide says he wants to limit immigration because those people would vote for Democrats. So, I guess the comparison ends there.

 

[Hypoxia]

"I once knew a lizard who bragged that his grandfather was a Tyrannosaurus Rex."
--RA.Heinlein on genealogy

My father's family were rural Quakers. The Society of Friends kept good birth, marriage, and death records -- from which, I know eastern Cherokees are in my bloodline (which has nothing to do with blood, y'know). But that's not part of my family tradition. They left that behind when they moved to California and new lives in 1900.

Some Anglo-appearing families of Indian ancestry may or may not mention that in tales passed on by grandmothers, the keepers of heritage. Grandmas decide what we need to know. Mine didn't convey that past. Others do. Some may 'claim' a given heritage; others merely more-or-less acknowledge it -- oh yeah, there's Injuns back there. Yawn.

Is it a big deal? Only if somebody makes it so.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Time did not begin when Europeans started recording it. And yes, those tribes are more native than you are, so let's get that fact straight. Just because you think something does not make it so.

They are also one of a long list of conquered people and their shit is now ours....ruled under a VERY european style legal system and anyone stepping outside that system gets a visit from men with guns.....so let's get that fact straight.

That's the thing that gets me about this whole thread on immigration. The right wingers want to institute this new definition of nativism, when almost all of us were immigrants at one point or another. Listen to them quibble about the native tribes. Listen to them harp about taking back their country and making it great again.

If you buy into mainstream science everyone in N.America is an immigrant.

Reality is most of our immigration happened in generations past and trying the (D)'s utopian borderless social welfare state with no form of immigration control is a terrible idea for a modern 1st world nation.

 

[Rightguide]

Perhaps people like Senator Warren and Rightguide want to consider themselves native. One claims to have native heritage, which is easy enough to determine with genetic testing, and the other says occupancy going back 7 generations makes him as native as the tribes who were here at the time his ancestors immigrated.

Sounds like Rightguide has something in common with Senator Warren, although Rightguide says he wants to limit immigration because those people would vote for Democrats. So, I guess the comparison ends there.

I don't claim to be an Indian. I have nothing in common with the communist Warren. An Indian is an Indian, but anyone born in America is a native American, dopey.

 

[Que]

I don't claim to be an Indian. I have nothing in common with the communist Warren. An Indian is an Indian, but anyone born in America is a native American, dopey.

I prefer to be referred to as an Aboriginal American, snce I was here before the recent colonists from Mexico arrived.

 

[William_James]

I prefer to be referred to as an Aboriginal American, snce I was here before the recent colonists from Mexico arrived.

We'll just add 'aboriginal' to the list of words Que doesn't understand (or know how to pronounce). *nods*

 

[coati]

I don't claim to be an Indian. I have nothing in common with the communist Warren. An Indian is an Indian, but anyone born in America is a native American, dopey.

Gosh, if anyone born here can claim to be a native American, then we all have that in common with Senator Warren, including the newborns of the undocumented farm workers in my home state. We just all have so much in common! It's a small world after all!

And hey, what's with calling me "dopey"? Couldn't you come up with something more sophisticated, like "poo-poo head"?

 

[contrifan32]

Gosh, if anyone born here can claim to be a native American, then we all have that in common with Senator Warren, including the newborns of the undocumented farm workers in my home state. We just all have so much in common! It's a small world after all!

And hey, what's with calling me "dopey"? Couldn't you come up with something more sophisticated, like "poo-poo head"?

But only if you check the box indicating minority status in order to better position yourself as a professor at a prestigious university... when you not.

 

[coachdb18]

I prefer to be referred to as an Aboriginal American, snce I was here before the recent colonists from Mexico arrived.

When the Air Force first started becoming intrusive into my demographics, they gave me a form to fill out declaring my origins and religious preference. Feeling that I could defend my country without their really needing this bullshit, I stated I was an Aleut Indian practicing Shintoism, which actually made me the only one in the Air Force at the time. So you're safe in your beds tonight thanks to my highly selective demographic, and having such an enlightened Air Force to have entrusted me, a REAL minority if there ever was one, with the codes to it all!

 

[bellisarius]

"Native American" is nothing more than a label attached to the most recent group of people in the America's to be overrun and dispossessed because they nether had a fucking immigration policy nor tried to enforce one until it was far too late.

And that's the history of the world in one sentence.