Government shutdown over illegals?

[WoundedKnee]

I wonder if that postulate came from the same reporter that asked if a 'black hole' had swallowed Malay Air 370?

Yeah, he got a guarantee that they could 'talk' about it. Schumer would trample his own mother if she were between him and a TV camera.

I think it came from the member of Congress who thought that additional Marines would tip over Guam; too much muscle mass.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Adrina misses the point. Again.

 

[bellisarius]

I think it came from the member of Congress who thought that additional Marines would tip over Guam; too much muscle mass.

Or the one that said you could walk across the middle passage on the backs of the sharks.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Boy, do we know how to pick em!

 

[WoundedKnee]

Can the Rover get a picture of the flag?

 

[adrina]

You boys sure like listening to yourselves talk - pontificating regardless of format.

It changes nothing, but enjoy.

 

[bellisarius]

You boys sure like listening to yourselves talk - pontificating regardless of format.

It changes nothing, but enjoy.

You swerved into a truth there. Which makes me wonder, "if nothing's changed why the drama of a shut-down?"

 

[WoundedKnee]

In short, you've got nothing, there is no air in your sails, this time you really had him. We feel your pain!

 

[adrina]

Your yammering changes nothing. It changes no perspectives. It alters no realities. It doesn't make the independents or the democrats have an Oh I could have had a V-8 moment.

All you boys are doing is preaching to your own choir. While the support for the GOP and Trump crumbles.

Enjoy your pontificating.

 

[WoundedKnee]

I now get the sense that you have not been following the conversation, that you picked up on one post and decided to have a separate conversation, not about the events of the last few days, but of a picture. All we did was to dismiss the picture; it is not an event or fact.

 

[adrina]

You assume I listen to/read any of your yammering.



You are viewing this in a short term way. I'm looking at over all trends and the big picture.

That you are viewing this in the terms of one small conversation is not surprising in the least.

All you boys do is preach to the choir, pile on, do the back slapping... while the support for the GOP and Trump crumbles. But please don't let me stop you - not like I could. It's all you've got. The elections and votes have been telling the tale. A wildly unpopular and disrespected president is being enabled by a party with nose-diving support and enthusiasm. But keep talking about how it's this one little conversation by some small minded men on one little internet forum. It's entertaining in that train wreck kind of way.

 

[WoundedKnee]

And once again, Adrina ignores the topic and attacks those with whom she disagrees. However, we should be slapping ourselves on the back because from the beginning of this thread, at least on my part, I said, Schumer wants a shutdown, he thinks he can win, but he will lose. He shut it down. He made all his big talk. His party got nervous and they forced him to surrender. You might call this one a win for Trump, that Schumer did not have to hand to him. He still keeps acting as if this is politics past and that he enjoys dependable Republican acquiescence in the face of Democrat demands and press pressure. This time they were all Tom Petty, You can stand me up to the gates of hell, and I won't back down.

 

[adrina]

Keep telling yourself that AJ.

Have a good church service.

 

[Hypoxia]

Right up there with all the polls that said Hillary was gong to win in a landslide. *chuckle*

She did beat Tromp by 3 million votes, right in the range polls predicted. Tromp won the game by 75k votes in 3 counties but lost the nation. He whines like a luzer. Pathetic.

 

[Luk]

And once again, Adrina ignores the topic and attacks those with whom she disagrees. However, we should be slapping ourselves on the back because from the beginning of this thread, at least on my part, I said, Schumer wants a shutdown, he thinks he can win, but he will lose. He shut it down. He made all his big talk. His party got nervous and they forced him to surrender. You might call this one a win for Trump, that Schumer did not have to hand to him. He still keeps acting as if this is politics past and that he enjoys dependable Republican acquiescence in the face of Democrat demands and press pressure. This time they were all Tom Petty, You can stand me up to the gates of hell, and I won't back down.

Your idiot friend Ishtard "wouldn't back down" and that got his perpetually inebriated ass banned.

But then again, so did you, AJ.

 

[Rightguide]

Right up there with all the polls that said Hillary was gong to win in a landslide. *chuckle*

Well, that was a cheap date. The dem's caved real quick.

But we've got another 'red line in the sand' coming up on Feb. 8th.

I wonder how many of those "Dreamers" have figured out they're just pawns in this game and it's the democrats that in reality don't give much of a shit about them.

If that phony poll was correct Schumer would have stuck it out and we'd still be in shutdown mode.

 

[Rightguide]

She did beat Tromp by 3 million votes, right in the range polls predicted. Tromp won the game by 75k votes in 3 counties but lost the nation. He whines like a luzer. Pathetic.

Only after California and their illegal alien votes came in.

 

[bellisarius]

Only after California and their illegal alien votes came in.

Perhaps, one day, maybe, it will sink into it's head that only the electoral votes count.

 

[Hypoxia]

Perhaps, one day, maybe, it will sink into it's head that only the electoral votes count.

Maybe someday it'll sink into luzers that winning technically while losing the nation isn't much of a win. Such luzers haven't done well in office. Without the consent of the governed you get chaos. Welcome to Trompistan.

 

[bellisarius]

Moving right along.

They're right back to square one. The only thing learned from this minor inconvenience is that Trump isn't going to blink. Meanwhile the effects of the new tax structure keep kicking in daily and now that funding is restored ICE is going to be swarming into CA. That ICE action is going to really kick over a political hornets nest for the democrats. The illegals are soon going to learn that Mayors and Governors waving worthless pieces of paper can't protect them from shit. ICE and DEA, the two agencies that have the most encounters with illegals, know exactly which judges will order deportation and will transport the prisoners to those jurisdictions.

The "dreamers" are going bat shit crazy over the senates cave-in. Who cares? They're illegals and don't vote (legally). Perhaps that fact is finally sinking in to the democrats heads as well.

 

[BobBalouski]

Moving right along.

They're right back to square one. The only thing learned from this minor inconvenience is that Trump isn't going to blink. Meanwhile the effects of the new tax structure keep kicking in daily and now that funding is restored ICE is going to be swarming into CA. That ICE action is going to really kick over a political hornets nest for the democrats. The illegals are soon going to learn that Mayors and Governors waving worthless pieces of paper can't protect them from shit. ICE and DEA, the two agencies that have the most encounters with illegals, know exactly which judges will order deportation and will transport the prisoners to those jurisdictions.

The "dreamers" are going bat shit crazy over the senates cave-in. Who cares? They're illegals and don't vote (legally). Perhaps that fact is finally sinking in to the democrats heads as well.

Except for the fact that Trump totally favors amnesty for Dreamers, ie, legislating a clear path for them to citizenship, before all others - as does virtually all of his RINO support in Congress. All the Dems really have to do to call his bluff on that is to say no to walls and ending chain migration, and let him take ALL the politically-correct heat for possibly abandoning the Dreamers - which he won't do. Trump & RINOs have totally backed themselves into the Dreamer box. And, just like the original CA civil contract-into-same sex marriage scam, once illegal Dreamers are granted amnesty, illegal amnesty for endless others will be born automatically be born, too. The only way to stop lawlessness is to actually stop the lawlessness - that's not something Trump & RINOs are willing to do regarding the Dreamers.

 

[Rightguide]

Perhaps, one day, maybe, it will sink into it's head that only the electoral votes count.

When an idea tries to penetrate that frontal lobe it runs into bedrock.

 

[Rightguide]

Except for the fact that Trump totally favors amnesty for Dreamers, ie, legislating a clear path for them to citizenship, before all others - as does virtually all of his RINO support in Congress. All the Dems really have to do to call his bluff on that is to say no to walls and ending chain migration, and let him take ALL the politically-correct heat for possibly abandoning the Dreamers - which he won't do. Trump & RINOs have totally backed themselves into the Dreamer box. And, just like the original CA civil contract-into-same sex marriage scam, once illegal Dreamers are granted amnesty, illegal amnesty for endless others will be born automatically be born, too. The only way to stop lawlessness is to actually stop the lawlessness - that's not something Trump & RINOs are willing to do regarding the Dreamers.

Ending chain migration is the key if that is done this will be the last amnesty (pathway to citizenship) for illegals. That pathway might not be a free pass either. Chain migration is how the vast majority of immigrants get here. It's a corrupt system that puts the immigrant in charge and turns the government into a rubber stamp. But until there is a deal Daca types are subject to deportation.

 

[BobBalouski]

Ending chain migration is the key if that is done this will be the last amnesty (pathway to citizenship) for illegals. That pathway might not be a free pass either. Chain migration is how the vast majority of immigrants get here. It's a corrupt system that puts the immigrant in charge and turns the government into a rubber stamp. But until there is a deal Daca types are subject to deportation.

And, as I posted, all Dems have to do is say no to ending chain migration (as they're doing), thus calling Trump's & the RINO's bluff of them holding Dreamers as any significant bargaining chip - when Trump & the RINOs want Dreamer citizenship as much as Dems do.

The entire point of Trump being hard on illegals up to now is to get as much as he can (walls, chain migration) from Dems before the Dreamer issue inevitably has to be settled, because when it finally comes down to that, which is inevitably happening now, Trump & RINOs & Dems share the very same position: they all want to pass and enact special legislation making all Dreamers American citizens.

 

[Que]

If that phony poll was correct Schumer would have stuck it out and we'd still be in shutdown mode.

Those polls were expressly designed to shape public opinion not measure it. Which is what almost all publically reported polling is done for.