Generating electricity.

[hoo_hoo_boo]

Hello. I'm wondering whether some one can help.

A long time ago I heard of electricity being generated in the Dead Sea, Israel, where a cathode and an anode were placed, one above the other and with the ion exchange electricity was generated. I think that's what happened. I've hunted the internet and can find nothing. I want to know what the process is called and a reference which can tell me how it's done.

I'm thinking of buying a property which has no electricity and the cost of getting it from the commercial market would be astronomical- a pole costs about $10,000 and to get it there I'd need hundreds of poles. I have thought of solar panels but am not enthused because I'd need batteries and it seems an inadequate solution. I've also thought of molten salt technology and worry that it might be a little complicated. I certainly don't want a cylinder full of torch batteries!

I'm looking for an environmentally sustainable solution. The land is cheap and I think a tank of brine would layer out in time with salt density increasing with depth. I wonder whether a large tank would be sufficient and wonder how large.

I'm aware of the other technology where the deepest salt layer is a heat trap and can become so hot it boils. The generated heat is used to drive turbines. I don't understand this as much and as it requires moving parts I suspect it's not as robust.

If I buy the property, I will need electricity to desalinate sea water, as the property is in desert and fortunately, beside the sea.

I realise my request is a little odd but have found in the past that people here are simply amazing. I'd be most grateful to know more about the process. Thank you.

 

[oggbashan]

This Wiki article might help with the possibilities.

Wind and solar power are the most likely sources but both will require some means of storing the energy or electricity, plus perhaps a generator for emergencies.

Solar power is probably best for desalination and/or reverse osmosis.

 

[Saint Peter]

Money Pit!

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

 

[koalabear]

potatoes.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

This Wiki article might help with the possibilities.

Wind and solar power are the most likely sources but both will require some means of storing the energy or electricity, plus perhaps a generator for emergencies.

Solar power is probably best for desalination and/or reverse osmosis.

Thank you Ogg. Reverse osmosis needs electricity. Lots of it. If the electricity were free then condensation could be added to the list too.

Wind and solar are the most commonly used. Wind isn't an option because the area is too often without wind. Solar is the best option with molten salt if I can't find the one I'm looking for. The ion exchange method as in the Dead Sea would be very suited to the topography if I can find information about it. I remember only snippets. It appeals because it needs very little maintenance once it is established-= as I remember!
Thank you!.

 

[Saint Peter]

Do the math.

Money Pit.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

Money Pit!

Yes- perhaps. But its a huge opportunity too I think.

 

[koalabear]

Too bad you can't put the electrical service underground.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

Do the math.

Money Pit.

I've done the math- as much as I can. It comes out as being a big opportunity with some risks. The risks aren't insurmountable. I want to get it right, from the start if I take it on..

 

[oggbashan]

Too bad you can't put the electrical service underground.

That costs far more per 100 yards than overhead on poles.

 

[koalabear]

That costs far more per 100 yards than overhead on poles.

Bullshit. Not when he claims $10,000.00 for a pole.

 

[oggbashan]

Power generation near Dead Sea.

But the main proposals are massive: http://deadseapower.com/

I wouldn't be sure that you could use either on a small scale.

 

[oggbashan]

Bullshit. Not when he claims $10,000.00 for a pole.

I would have thought that a more realistic figure would be $10,000 per overhead mile, but I have no idea of US costs. In the UK, routing long and/or high voltage power cables underground is about 250% of overhead costs particularly because of the lack of cooling effect that overhead wires have.

 

[koalabear]

I would have thought that a more realistic figure would be $10,000 per overhead mile, but I have no idea of US costs. In the UK, routing long and/or high voltage power cables underground is about 250% of overhead costs particularly because of the lack of cooling effect that overhead wires have.

We are talking a house, not an industrial complex.

 

[islandman]

Bullshit. Not when he claims $10,000.00 for a pole.

General rule of the thumb is $500,000/mile for rural [residential] and more for urban [residential] areas.

The only BS here is what's coming out of your mouth.

 

[oggbashan]

General rule of the thumb is $500,000/mile for rural and more for urban areas.

The only BS here is what's coming out of your mouth.

Ouch! UK costs are much lower, but underground isn't really feasible for any rural distances.

 

[koalabear]

General rule of the thumb is $500,000/mile for rural [residential] and more for urban [residential] areas.

The only BS here is what's coming out of your mouth.

An idiot like you would pay that.

 

[islandman]

Ouch! UK costs are much lower, but underground isn't really feasible for any rural distances.

For the most part it's not cost-effective for rural here too, but in some areas that get seasonal storms (hurricanes in FL, tornado alley), it can be. In heavily urban areas like NYC and its outskirts, the permitting fees alone can amount to $500K/mile.

 

[islandman]

An idiot like you would pay that.

Have we moved on from you flapping your gums simply for the sake of flapping your gums?

I just want to be sure to give you every opportunity to play the fool.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

Power generation near Dead Sea.

But the main proposals are massive: http://deadseapower.com/

I wouldn't be sure that you could use either on a small scale.

Thank you Ogg, This is a new project which is being contemplated. It's quite different from the one I remember. The one you found is interesting but totally out of my league.

The electricity generation I had in mind was being done 30 years ago and probably even longer. It was where two metal things were put in the brine and there was an ionisation process between the two that generated electricity. Towns ran on this electricity. That's as I remember but I can't find any reference to it. It's a strange thing that I can't find it and I wonder if my memory is as good as I thought!

Interestingly, we have similar problems in our irrigation areas but we don't have the neat solution they seem to have.

 

[koalabear]

Have we moved on from you flapping your gums simply for the sake of flapping your gums?

I just want to be sure to give you every opportunity to play the fool.

LOL Mr. expert, how many services for home and industrial have you put in? In my State the home owner needs no permit if he does the work himself.

 

[dreami]

hoo hoo hoo
congrats u have stumbled across what is referred to as zero-point or free energy
all much suppressed
tesla is also another good topic to research

if u like a bit of free energy history consider the pyramids.... the paintings in the pyramids were either done by torch and/or candle light - but then there would be soot and such stuff on the walls ... or there was anther light source.
beneath the pyramids is an aquifer....
this is a pretty great site.... lot to filter through but i think free energy is part of a suppressed history cos todays world is arranged around profit - wholly meaningless on many levels... sorry for the kinkless response
http://www.richardgabriel.info/

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

For the most part it's not cost-effective for rural here too, but in some areas that get seasonal storms (hurricanes in FL, tornado alley), it can be. In heavily urban areas like NYC and its outskirts, the permitting fees alone can amount to $500K/mile.

Yes, Our electricity poles are unique. We don't have trees to make them so we use steel and cement to make them. They're a problem for cars because a car driven at speed can be cut in half by them.

We have solar panels now and with batteries they're more cost effective than electricity poles. I had a thought though that the technology I'm hunting for would be better. Most of the ideas as to what is good comes from cities here. It's obviously not on the agenda for city dwellings to have a big salt tank in the back yard. It seems to be valid for places in the rural areas though.

Thank you.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

hoo hoo hoo
congrats u have stumbled across what is referred to as zero-point or free energy
all much suppressed
tesla is also another good topic to research

if u like a bit of free energy history consider the pyramids.... the paintings in the pyramids were either done by torch and/or candle light - but then there would be soot and such stuff on the walls ... or there was anther light source.
beneath the pyramids is an aquifer....
this is a pretty great site.... lot to filter through but i think free energy is part of a suppressed history cos todays world is arranged around profit - wholly meaningless on many levels... sorry for the kinkless response
http://www.richardgabriel.info/

Thank you so much Dreami. I shall look at it- there's such a lot to look at.
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