Gas prices read and pass on to all friends

[TonyaTV69]

Gas prices Read everyone and repost to all ur friends

We are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by theend of summer.
Want gasoline prices to come down?

We need to takesome intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May!

The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

Please read it and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.83 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50-$1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace.... not sellers.
With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.

Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point.. keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to about 225 people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (225 x 10 = 2250)... and those 2250 send it to at least ten more (2,250 x 10 = 22,500) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached MILLIONS consumers!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people and

DON"T purchase ANY gasoline from EXXON and MOBIL.

That's all.

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.

THIS CAN REALLY WORK

 

[TxRad]

won't work....

Reason....

All Gas wheither a major or minor oil company comes from the same plant.....

If ya don't believe me... go to your local distributor and watch.... the gas may go into tank trucks marked for the different oil companies but it comes off the same loading dock... or platform.... i see it every day....

All your paying for that is different is the friggin name....

 

[Lauren Hynde]

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.83 for regular unleaded in my town.

Cool. It is currently $5.65 on mine, and there are still way too many cars on the streets.

 

[oggbashan]

Mine will reach £1.00 a litre within weeks.

The prices quoted at the start of this thread would be wonderful for most Europeans. We haven't had prices that low for years.

Og

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Mine will reach £1.00 a litre within weeks.

That's US $6.81 per gallon, for all you whiners.

 

[Guest]

That's US $6.81 per gallon, for all you whiners.

Aww, bite me.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Aww, bite me.

 

[impressive]

I'm lovin' my hybrid.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Pump prices were ~$1.50/gallon when crude oil was ~$30/barrel.

Crude is now at something like $60-65/barrel, and could very well go to $70.

I don't expect to see gas at less than $3.00/gallon any time soon, no matter what the consumers do. This is a supply and demand problem, not a matter of price fixing.

 

[SensualCealy]

Okay, my conversion isnt all that great but its my understanding that 3 litres = 1 gallon am I right?

If this is so, right now we are paying 103.9/ litre of gas that would be 310.8/ gallon!

Never say never, if we pay it, it will come!
C

 

[cantdog]

I like high gas prices. It may be the only thing which will orient public policy into a sane path about fossil fuels.

$6.00 per US gallon at the pump. Now how sensible does conservation and alternative energy sound? Now how do you like your urban-cowboy SUV? Think you might be a little more interested in a hybrid? What about public transport?

 

[oggbashan]

Okay, my conversion isnt all that great but its my understanding that 3 litres = 1 gallon am I right?

If this is so, right now we are paying 103.9/ litre of gas that would be 310.8/ gallon!

Never say never, if we pay it, it will come!
C

US gallon = 3.785 liters.
UK gallon = 4.546 liters

Og

 

[TxRad]

I like high gas prices. It may be the only thing which will orient public policy into a sane path about fossil fuels.

$6.00 per US gallon at the pump. Now how sensible does conservation and alternative energy sound? Now how do you like your urban-cowboy SUV? Think you might be a little more interested in a hybrid? What about public transport?

To late for that now... how does anyone making less than even $10 an hour afford a $23,000 hybrid and just what public transportation are you talking about.... Most big cities have some but if you live in a small town or the country, then what?

You also might want to check on the prices of everything else because desiel will be even higher than gasoline.... 90% of everything moved in the US is by truck....

Good luck... at 6 bucks a gallon you can kiss it all goodbye....

 

[cantdog]

Yeah, Cealy, Og has the figures, and you also need to do a conversion on the money side of the ratio. Not that the exact amount of pain to the penny or sen is going to be important to the idea the poster puts forth.

A whole lot of the price you pay is taxes. Not quite so much as cigarettes, but the stuff is also an addictive substance, and they can tax all they like without worrying about depressing sales much. I began driving when 25 US cents a gallon was cheap, and 30 cents ordinary. Ten times that now, and everyone is still buying HumVees, SUVs, and RVs like there ain't a problem in the world.

Maybe we need to have twelve or fourteen dollars a fuckin gallon to wake people up, I don't know. But I don't sweat it. It'll get there, because the supply is definitely finite and depleting. My grandkids won't be using this shit to power their cars and generate their kilowatts the way we do, that's for sure. Only a matter of time.

The real solution to the problem is to stop using it, anyhow you possibly can.

 

[CrazyyAngel]

US gallon = 3.785 liters.

Which translates (given current rates) to about $6 a gallon here in Germany.

So $3 a gallon sounds pretty cheap to me ...

 

[cantdog]

TxRad? You are completely correct, the biggest thing about public transport in this country is that there ain't much of it. In Europe, I never really considered an auto. I carried my suitcase and hopped on the train. There was only one town to which the trains would not take me, and that one was in a hanging valley in the mountains. They had a shuttle bus from the nearest railway stop which came by on the half hour.

We can't match that most places. But that is because we haven't wanted to. Public transport is a matter of public policy, government investment. The current government is anti-rail to an extreme degree, because their own fortunes rely on high consumption of fuel. But it can't always be so. People, I hope, will get the message and begin to prod their corporate rulers to change that policy.

I also agree that it is too late, but wilful ignorance is a hard foe to best.

 

[oggbashan]

Public transport is a matter of public policy, government investment. The current government is anti-rail to an extreme degree, because their own fortunes rely on high consumption of fuel. But it can't always be so. People, I hope, will get the message and begin to prod their corporate rulers to change that policy.

I also agree that it is too late, but wilful ignorance is a hard foe to best.

And public transport can only operate if it is a sensibly economic alternative. If gas is too cheap then public transport cannot compete on cost. It can never compete on convenience except in congested cities.

Og

 

[cantdog]

Og, there is usually a big price to pay in convenience for public transport, but having it is a lot better than not having it. Our problem here is that no one in power can muster any support for even thinking about reducing usage in any serious way. All the skull sweat on the subject is in academia or Mother Jones or environmental publications. Solar has been refining itself by leaps and bounds, a lot of good ideas are out there for distributed power systems generally. Distributed power, where people generally produce it locally, doesn't make the big boys money like centralized power systems do, so there hasn't been the public discussion of it that we really need. Articles appear in the mainstrem press claiming that it's all crackpot stuff, even.

I am afraid we will have to have a sea change in how people think about this stuff, in America. I was hoping the rising prices in diesel and gas and heating oil and whatnot would bring it about, but the initial poster in this thread, like so many, is still blaming the oil companies. Like it or not, a way of life is ending before our eyes. It was a profligate way of life, but we wallowed in it and have largely ignored its drawbacks all this time. As TxRad says, we really will have to kiss it goodbye and give a few moment's thought to the future, for once.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I think that convenience is a function of efficiency of the public transportation system, and also a matter of attitude.

For example, I live on a city with nearly half a million people and work and study on the next city, which has a similar population. On the street where I live, 100 metres from my door, I have a tramway system station. The tramway is noiseless, clean, comfortable, fast, there's one every 5 minutes on any station of the entire network. There are no stops because of traffic, no traffic accidents, I can just enjoy the landscape, relax, listen to some music, read a book. It will drop me off within a 2-minute walk from wherever I am going.

How does that compare in terms of convenience against taking the car, often having to look for a gas pump, then make my way through intense traffic hoping that it will all go well, and when I finally reach my destiny - which will take at least as much time as the tramway ride, on an excellent day - circle around until I find a parking space, for which I will have to pay?

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I think that convenience is a function of efficiency of the public transportation system, and also a matter of attitude.

For example, I live on a city with nearly half a million people and work and study on the next city, which has a similar population. On the street where I live, 100 metres from my door, I have a tramway system station. The tramway is noiseless, clean, comfortable, fast, there's one every 5 minutes on any station of the entire network. There are no stops because of traffic, no traffic accidents, I can just enjoy the landscape, relax, listen to some music, read a book. It will drop me off within a 2-minute walk from wherever I am going.

How does that compare in terms of convenience against taking the car, often having to look for a gas pump, then make my way through intense traffic hoping that it will all go well, and when I finally reach my destiny - which will take at least as much time as the tramway ride, on an excellent day - circle around until I find a parking space, for which I will have to pay?

The entire area of Portugal is slightly smaller than the STATE of indidana, no giant among states either. Great Britan is slightly smaller than that.

This country has always had land and as a consequence our cities have tended to sprawl outward. I live 50 miles from the GW bridge. Houseing costs in my areea are sky rocketing because it has become basically a suburb of the city, with Rockland and weschester counties already being sharply affected by being within commuting distance.

Public transportation is simply inadequate, but you couldn't make it adequate if you tried. When I worked in Rockland for Bell Atlantic, it was a 60 mile plus commute. metro north dosen't even stop in my town. In fact, you have to travel to Croaton to pick it up and the closest let off to my place of employment was ten miles. There is a bus system, but it's over worked, dirty and is just as likely to be running late as I would be due to traffic.

Here in mississippi, 30, 40, 50, even 80 or more mile commutes are not uncommon. People go where the jobs are, but in the case of this state more often than not, that means driving to where they are, not selling your place and moving closer.

People in this country need cars. The distances at which we live from the things we need is simply too great to walk or bike, rail is impracticle as you would have to run millions of miles of spurs and hubs, bus is also impracticle, as you would need too many of them, on too many and too long a routes to make them economically viable.

When I go home to see my folks or my doctors, you are taling about 21 hours on the road, with speed limits between 60 and 70. Over 1200 miles. We are both on the same side of the Mississippi river.

I think many of you on the continent or in the British Isles, just don't grasp the sheer scale involved.

The real problem with gas prices, righ tnow, is not that there isn't enough. It's that our refineries are only set up to handle light, sweet crude oil. There is still plenty of heavy crude, but not enough refineries to handle it. In the long term, your gues is as good as mine on where prices will go or what alternative may be found, but I'll wager dollars to donughts that folks over here will keep paying for it no matter how high it goes.

 

[impressive]

... but I'll wager dollars to donughts that folks over here will keep paying for it no matter how high it goes.

We'll pay for it whether we drive or not ... in higher prices at stores & markets due to the fuel costs to get the products on the shelves. Even our trash collection service has added a fuel surcharge.

Did you know that MORE gallons of diesel are consumed while our 18-wheelers are in "sleep" mode than when actually moving goods from point A to point B? There is HUGE potential for savings by converting those amenities (climate control, lights, electronics) to fuel cell technology.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

People in this country need cars. The distances at which we live from the things we need is simply too great to walk or bike, rail is impracticle as you would have to run millions of miles of spurs and hubs, bus is also impracticle, as you would need too many of them, on too many and too long a routes to make them economically viable.

When I go home to see my folks or my doctors, you are taling about 21 hours on the road, with speed limits between 60 and 70. Over 1200 miles. We are both on the same side of the Mississippi river.

I think many of you on the continent or in the British Isles, just don't grasp the sheer scale involved.

Colly, no one is saying you don't need cars. You do. And that is the problem you will need to solve eventually.

The greater distances would, if anything, justify the investment on a better public transportation system, if there was cultural aptitude and political will. The greater the distances covered, the more economically viable the public transportation system is.

There was a time when American cities would be born and flourish along the train tracks.

 

[Guest]

Colly, no one is saying you don't need cars. You do. And that is the problem you will need to solve eventually.

The greater distances would, if anything, justify the investment on a better public transportation system, if there was cultural aptitude and political will. The greater the distances covered, the more economically viable the public transportation system is.

There was a time when American cities would be born and flourish along the train tracks.

And a time American cities had affordable, effective mass transit.

In the mid-20th century, General Motors, Firestone and Standard Oil formed a company that ultimately bought many of the streetcar systems in the US. They ultimately dismanted most, and shipped them to South America.

Faced with the loss of their mass transit systems, American cities replaced the clean, affordable electric trains with busses built by GM, fueled by Standard Oil and running on tires from Firestone.

Don't worry though. The billions spent to recoop the lost mass transit system was reduced some when an antitrust dispute went against the three companies. They were fined $5,000.

link

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Colly, no one is saying you don't need cars. You do. And that is the problem you will need to solve eventually.

The greater distances would, if anything, justify the investment on a better public transportation system, if there was cultural aptitude and political will. The greater the distances covered, the more economically viable the public transportation system is.

There was a time when American cities would be born and flourish along the train tracks.

I know we were a country in some ways spawned on the rails, but that was long ago. Now, you are talking about having to buy or condemn and seize or use iminent domain on a grand scale if you wanted to provide even minimum levels of service within most cities and burbs.

I'll use metro north as an example. They took out their rails on the down side of the Hudson, sold the land and kept only the freight line right along the river. The passenger line is right along the river on the other side. (Thus I have to cross the Bear Mt. bridge and go to Crotan to even pick up the Rails)

There has been a movement to put service back on the down side of the river, but Conrail has refused. They sold those right of ways years ago and now houses, bussiness, even streets occupy the land. to put a line back in would be prohibitively expensive, even if the state agreed to use it's powers of Iminent Domain, just paying market value of the property would be a blow of epic proportions.

There wil be alck of political will until driving simply becomes impractical. As long as most folks can or do, there is simply not enough call for it.

I am not saying smething dosen't need to be done. I am simply saying, it's going to remain cost prohibitive until a significant portion of the work force simply can no longer afford to commute. Then something will have to give. My guess is, the city and state governemnt will find it cheaper and less disruptive to build more high rise appartment buildings in an effort to make it more feasible to live in the city on a typical wager earner's salary before they will embrace a plan of expaning public transit to the degree it will be needed.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

There has been a movement to put service back on the down side of the river, but Conrail has refused. They sold those right of ways years ago and now houses, bussiness, even streets occupy the land. to put a line back in would be prohibitively expensive, even if the state agreed to use it's powers of Iminent Domain, just paying market value of the property would be a blow of epic proportions.

Now there is a problem I didn't think you would have, with so much land laying around and such low population densities.

On that particular case, I can tell you what would be the solution that would most likely be adopted in Europe - it already has on a number of places I know: build the rail on the river, instead of alongside it. The infrastructure is more expensive, but the real estate costs are zero. If there were a will, there would be a way.