Fuck Republicans

[rosco rathbone]

Because what the poorest could pay would be $0 or close too it and then where would that leave us. I am all for cutting money back on welfare and such (go get a job lazy fuckers) but I do know that I like our military to have the latest toys and you don't get that by everyone chipping in just a couple of bucks.

All well and good, but now you've opened a can of worms. You're basically saying that it's fair to expect the rich to pick up the tab for advanced military hardware.

Why should they have to pay for it?

 

[GreatGreg]

All well and good, but now you've opened a can of worms. You're basically saying that it's fair to expect the rich to pick up the tab for advanced military hardware.

Why should they have to pay for it?

Hell not just them everyone, if everyone paid the same percentage the whole country would be picking up the tab. They would just be paying what they could afford too for the common goal. 15% is a lot better than 38% I am thinking. So the rich are going to come out ahead. That is unless they have a master accountant that get them paying less than 15%. If they do send me their number, lol

Taxes will never go away unfortunately but I think that at least this way it would level the playing field and people can stop bitching about other people paying their fair share.

They will get my $15,000 and I will happily pay it. And btw that is more than I am paying now with all the deductions I can get. And don't tell me well why don't you pay the $15,000 then. Because I am not a charity and if no one else going to do it why should I feed the bloated government machine that cannot even support itself on the two trillion it takes in every year.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Hell not just them everyone, if everyone paid the same percentage the whole country would be picking up the tab. They would just be paying what they could afford too for the common goal. 15% is a lot better than 38% I am thinking. So the rich are going to come out ahead. That is unless they have a master accountant that get them paying less than 15%. If they do send me their number, lol

Taxes will never go away unfortunately but I think that at least this way it would level the playing field and people can stop bitching about other people paying their fair share.

They will get my $15,000 and I will happily pay it. And btw that is more than I am paying now with all the deductions I can get. And don't tell me well why don't you pay the $15,000 then. Because I am not a charity and if no one else going to do it why should I feed the bloated government machine that cannot even support itself on the two trillion it takes in every year.

The problem is it woudl probably instead of 15% end up being 38 or 40% or even higher.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Your mistake here is zero-sum economics.

You have to also account for what they would not have done without that money and what effect the tax would have had on actual revenues...

Your mistake is the assumption that they would change their behavior at all over such a minor change. I know your going to pretend like your budget is so locked tight that what I'm going to say would completely change your life if 3% of your income simply vanished tommorow?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Being a middle class american I have no problem with a flat tax. I think it is totally fair.

Paying 15% over the whatever the poverty level is. Period. No deductions and no loopholes. It would also cut back on the most hated branch of gov't the IRS. Instead of having books upon books of tax code it could be shrunk down to a couple pages and put into language even a dumb ass can understand. Plus I think it is fair. No matter what you make every one is paying the same percentage. Make a $100,000 pay $15,000. Make a million and pay $150,000. The rich are still paying more but it is on a level percentage wise as everyone else. Who can bitch about that.

You pay 15% over anything you make over $25,000 (or what ever the poverty rate is). There are too many loop holes and ways for people to get out of paying taxes, especially once you start making over a certain amount and are able to afford accountants and what not. i.e. I need that tractor for the house even though you don't own a "farm". Need that new car for "work" even though you use it for personal use. I work with people who do this all the time. They have their accounts call them and tell them to go buy more stuff so they can write it off on their taxes. When I ask them why they do it, they say because they can and if everyone else does it why shouldn't they. They have no problems paying their share but they are not going to just hand the money over if they don't have too.

I am thinking that the only people who would have a problem with this are the lower middle class that gets by paying nothing in taxes due to all the exemptions they receive and the poor who get back money that they did not even put in due to Earned Income Credit. Honestly why should someone be able to get back more money they put in. That is unfair to the others who actually put money into the system.

I would like to see a study on how much the government would collect if something like this was put into place vs. what they are getting now. I am thinking they would actually take in more $$ but I would still like to see the numbers.

Well there are my two cents on the matter.

This is a flat tax system. The problem is that as soon as you enact it, then the Left begins screaming relentlessly about punishing the poor and protecting the rich.

This is why the FairTax.org is superior, when you tax events and not individuals then you undermine the class warfare rhetoric of the Socialists.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Death by Paper-Cuts

Your mistake is the assumption that they would change their behavior at all over such a minor change. I know your going to pretend like your budget is so locked tight that what I'm going to say would completely change your life if 3% of your income simply vanished tommorow?

Small changes on the individual level add up to big changes on the economic level.

Today's small 3% is tacked on to yesterday's small 10% and tomorrow's insignificant 2%...

It's seems so easy and so reasonable with the majority is boiling the minority ever-so-slowly.

 

[miles]

This is why the FairTax.org is superior, when you tax events and not individuals then you undermine the class warfare rhetoric of the Socialists.

End of a great idea.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I can see the point of a value added tax system, so any illegals or others are paying taxes from any under-the-table money they make when they buy new stuff.


Of course, if you buy everything used and privately, it doesn't work.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

End of a great idea.

Paradigms do shift, and a Depression is a crises too good to waste.