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Bebeslut

Bebeslut

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I cannot find one online erotica publisher to handle The Crew stories.
The Erotic Woman was my last hope, but apparently they're not into publishing anything but "Betty and Veronica Go Bi," or the erotic daydreams of Rachel Green types. Oh, and let's not forget the "I Fell in Love with a Vampire Who Looks Exactly Like Leonardo DiCapria" tripe.
My characters are much different than the normal characters encountered in so-called "erotica": they have depth and actual feelings! They're also not nice, which means Rachel won't like them. Oh, boo hoo!
Take a chance, erotica publishers. You just may find a whole new market out there for stories ON THE EDGE!
Down with the SAME OLD CRAP!
 
Let me at them

I am trying to expand my boundries, so I want you to take out to the edge.

Give me a link and I will check out your stuff.

Down with the same old crap, bring on the new crap!
 
I always knew there was something going on with Betty and Veronica.
 
Bebeslut said:
I cannot find one online erotica publisher to handle The Crew stories.
The Erotic Woman was my last hope, but apparently they're not into publishing anything but "Betty and Veronica Go Bi," or the erotic daydreams of Rachel Green types. Oh, and let's not forget the "I Fell in Love with a Vampire Who Looks Exactly Like Leonardo DiCapria" tripe.
My characters are much different than the normal characters encountered in so-called "erotica": they have depth and actual feelings! They're also not nice, which means Rachel won't like them. Oh, boo hoo!
Take a chance, erotica publishers. You just may find a whole new market out there for stories ON THE EDGE!
Down with the SAME OLD CRAP!
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So, what's in this new crap you're talking about? Can't suggest a publisher to try without any idea what you're talking about.
 
Bebeslut said:
I cannot find one online erotica publisher to handle The Crew stories.
Take a chance, erotica publishers. You just may find a whole new market out there for stories ON THE EDGE!
Down with the SAME OLD CRAP!
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Bebe,

I'm going to be quite blunt and say there is a fine line between self-belief and denial. I've followed your posts for the past few months and you seem to have a lot of rage that more people aren't 'getting' the Crew.

Here's the facts:
*You've just reached the last publisher - and you've been turned down by all of them.
*You have 23 chapters, or episodes of the crew up and not one of them has a red H beside it, indicating it has scored 4.5 on the scale. The Crew is posted in a variety of categories, so that means you've had your work seen by a variety of readers here on Lit. Does a red H mean much? Not for one story, but when none of your tales gets that approval - the law of averages points to the fact that you're not connecting.

I read through some of the crew stories and I just don't see much to hang onto. The characters seem more like ciphers and the only insight I have into them is how they view other characters as sexual objects. The tales simply don't draw me in.

The way I see it, you can approach your writing in one of two ways.

The first way, you can be open to what the market is telling you. The publishers aren't picking you up and even Lit readers, a fairly generous group overall, aren't commenting much or voting high on the stories. That seems to point to the fact that something is lacking in your writing. I would not be surprised if you blew up at this opinion - and if you do, that is the root of your problem. If you are going to blame everyone else for why your work isn't getting accepted, you're never going to learn how to be a better writer.

The second choice - self-publish. Prove me wrong. Mobipocket and Amazon Kindle/Digital Text are dead-easy to publish to. After that, publishing isn't just about having something for sale - it is about self-promotion. Create a complementary blog, hit the boards, start getting yourself out there in any way possible.

My two-cents.
 
I read "wilson" "britt POV," "asperger's," and "chinga tu madre"

At least they are short reads, because I don't want to read any more. It's not that your characters are sluts-- no problem. It's that the sex, as you've written it, isn't very sexy-- and there isn't anything else. Nothing in their heads, no ambitions, no conflicts, no plot. No poetry in the prose-- a very plebeian writing style.

http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=1181886&page=submissions
 
bronzeage said:
I always knew there was something going on with Betty and Veronica.
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Archie comics are bringing a new character to Riverdale who's a lesbian and has the hots for Veronica. No kidding.

Betty's gonna be in a snit. :D
 
 
There's potential there, but it is a little thin - there are several incest themes, which, outside literotica, tend to scare off editors - popular novels featuring incest tend to be rather more nuanced and elaborate, V.C Andrews type stuff.

I suggest slowing down, and fleshing out your characters - you breeze right through the sex scenes - you've already crossed the line, might as well make it worthwhile.

Taken all together, the whole series wouldn't fill a slim novella - it might make a good webcomic, maybe even a Manga, but I don't see it on the bookshelves.
 
I appreciate your honest opinion. In fact, I appreciate all the opinions above, even the ones I disagree with.

And your advice about self-publishing -- I'll try it.
 
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Bebeslut said:
I cannot find one online erotica publisher to handle The Crew stories.
The Erotic Woman was my last hope, but apparently they're not into publishing anything but "Betty and Veronica Go Bi," or the erotic daydreams of Rachel Green types. Oh, and let's not forget the "I Fell in Love with a Vampire Who Looks Exactly Like Leonardo DiCapria" tripe.
My characters are much different than the normal characters encountered in so-called "erotica": they have depth and actual feelings! They're also not nice, which means Rachel won't like them. Oh, boo hoo!
Take a chance, erotica publishers. You just may find a whole new market out there for stories ON THE EDGE!
Down with the SAME OLD CRAP!
Click to expand...

After the few I've read, I can understand why no publisher would want them. "So called" erotica isn't just about the sex in a story. There should be a plot, well-developed characters and sensual sex, meant to arouse as well as satisfy.

The ones I read had none of that, but rather they were pure stroke, meant for the reader to get off and nothing else. If you expanded on them, made the characters likable, don't rush through the sex and have a good plot, then perhaps online publishers might give you a second look.

And you need to find yourself an editor, too. There weren't a lot of mistakes, but enough to be distracting or make someone "stumble" while reading.

You blaming all them for not accepting your work is kind of silly, really. That's like the trouble making kid in school who keeps getting letters sent home from the teachers and he blames the teachers, not his behavior.
 
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Sorry, Bebe, but I did not get grabbed by your Crew story "Poison".
I could not get my head round some tart who deliberately abuses her skin with multiple tattoos, wears strange clothes (controversial, at best), demands to be fucked as if she was a real head case and then, like the spider, chucks out the mate.

She's hollow, I think. And unlovable !
There's no 'reason' or explanation for her being that way.
Take out the (minimal) sex and one is left with a sick joke.

I suggest you consider letting the Discussion Circle make some more practical comments.

Just my impressions. Good Luck.
 
Handley_Page said:
Sorry, Bebe, but I did not get grabbed by your Crew story "Poison".
I could not get my head round some tart who deliberately abuses her skin with multiple tattoos, wears strange clothes (controversial, at best), demands to be fucked as if she was a real head case and then, like the spider, chucks out the mate.

She's hollow, I think. And unlovable !
There's no 'reason' or explanation for her being that way.
Take out the (minimal) sex and one is left with a sick joke.

I suggest you consider letting the Discussion Circle make some more practical comments.

Just my impressions. Good Luck.
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The "unloveable" is not the problem-- it's the 'hollow' and most especially, the "unexplained" aspects that are your hurdle.

If you can expand our insight into these characters, you might really have something. They don't have to be tragic, either. I don't need my sluts to be damaged or abused in childhood, god knows! But they do get off on what they are doing, and I want to be in their heads while they get off.

A compliment that I've gotten-- once in a rare while, I admit it-- is "I don't ever want to try that myself, but you've made me understand why other people want to do it."
 
I'm pretty sure the whole amorality of it is the point Handly - you've never messed around with tarts who deliberately abuse their skin with multiple tattoos, wear strange clothes (controversial, at best), demand to be fucked as if she was a real head case and then, like the spider, chucks out the mate?

Shit, I thought all the girls were like that these days.

I have no problem with the characters, the problem is you can't get close to them, literarically (!) speaking - they need quirks, vulnerabilities, personal problems - personalities - something more than a

Nihilistic attitude - you have to crack the surface and get underneath, even if it's just for an instant.

It's kind of De Sadean, but there is ultimately a sort of intimacy between De Sade's characters, even in the worst depths of sadistic depravity.

Anyway, my two cents - it needs something, but I don't think "write completely different stories with completely different characters - that I like" is really valid criticism - that would constitute the "same old shit" she's trying to get away from, no?

Sounds like some of my exes, to paraphrase: "if only you were somebody else"...

Allrighty then.
 
xssve said:
I have no problem with the characters, the problem is you can't get close to them, literarically (!) speaking - they need quirks, vulnerabilities, personal problems - personalities - something more than a
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Ah, "get close to them." I like the way that's put. I think I saw a reference around here to not liking them, and that has been bothering me. I don't think it's necessary to "like" the characters in erotica. I think they should just "fit" into the storyline.

The need to "like" is the stuff of sophomoric Romance, I think. It goes with required happy endings (which is out the window as far as I care).
 
Again thanks

sr71plt said:
Ah, "get close to them." I like the way that's put. I think I saw a reference around here to not liking them, and that has been bothering me. I don't think it's necessary to "like" the characters in erotica. I think they should just "fit" into the storyline.

The need to "like" is the stuff of sophomoric Romance, I think. It goes with required happy endings (which is out the window as far as I care).
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I say again I appreciate the comments -- all of them.
 
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