Freya2

[zipman]

Wasn't thinking about anyone in particular, but it happens here all the time.

I think you're making more out of my statement than intended in the words.

When I'm talking about someone I use their name. Anyone who thinks otherwise is paranoid.

Oh. I wasn't making a big deal about it, I was just curious as you didn't quote anyone and your comment directly followed my post.

Btw, I respect the rights of others to have a different opinion than I do.

 

[sunstruck]

Btw, I respect the rights of others to have a different opinion than I do.

Cool beans.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Re: Re: And there you have it.

using the situation last night as a way to get back at Lance,

I did not do this. If I wished to "get back at Lance" I would attack him directly. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a full of himself moron.

If you have something to say to me, grow a spine and say it. On another thread.


You indicate that you believe this, Freya2. Do you? Do you believe I attacked you in some spineless and cowardly way to get back at Lance?

 

[Freya]

Re: Re: Re: And there you have it.

I did not do this. If I wished to "get back at Lance" I would attack him directly. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a full of himself moron.

If you have something to say to me, grow a spine and say it. On another thread.


You indicate that you believe this, Freya2. Do you? Do you believe I attacked you in some spineless and cowardly way to get back at Lance?

I believe that there was an underlying motive to most of the attacks last night - from Lance's to Lav's to yours, yes. If you didn't attack me to get back at him, it was definitely due to the fact that I defended someone you didn't like.

Do I accept the apology? Yes. Do I think it was big of you to do this? Yes. Am I sick of being slammed for my choice in friends? Yes.

All these wonderful pieces of advice I have been given by everyone so much wiser than me boils down to one thing only. Some people don't like Lance, therefore they don't like the fact that I do, and so insult or try to sway me into thinking differently, when it's got to be pretty obvious now that it's not going to happen. You did it, Lav did it, PC did it and Weevil trolled me for 2 hours doing it.

Funniest thing about the whole thing is, everyone BUT Jim has attacked me for my choices. Him being the one everyone felt they needed to protect, was one of the few registered people to defend my right to make my own choices.


But actually, the kiss to Zip was just another suck up by me to a Dom/Alpha male in an attempt to get the collar I'm after so badly.

Thank you for the apology, I do appreciate it. I don't hold grudges, and this brought you up a lot in my esteem, if that counts for anything.

 

[KillerMuffin]

I apologized to you because I attacked you. I did not attack Lance. I did not tell you not to be his friend. I did not tell you that you were wrong in being his friend. I did not tell you that you weren't a good person for being his friend. I did not attack Lance, I attacked you.

I attacked you because I felt that you were attacking someone I did like. It had nothing to do with your defense of Lance other than the fact that you did it on the wrong thread.

Believe what you will.

 

[Freya]

I did not attack Lance.

I know it travelled all over the place. And who put the gun to Lance's head and made him create an overt attack against JMJ? Who forced him to start a new thread for the sole purpose of hurting a person who never hurt anyone? When did Lavy buy a gun and go to Canada? Lance blames JMJ for this thread. You're blaming Lavy for this thread. What is wrong with this picture?

I didn't say anything in the other threads because there's no point in it. That's a free-for-all sort of thing going on over there. This thread was designed for one purpose--to attack JMJ. That's a bar fight, this is a mugging.

You're still defending Lance. Moreover you're trying to look the face of concerted dislike for the man and brush it off as "just being upopular with the cool kids." You do what you feel you need to do. Lance was a good friend to you and supported you during whatever it was. That's fine. You judge him solely on his treatment of you. He can be nice, he can be charming, he can be funny, he can be supportive. That doesn't mitigate the fact that he's usually a total bastard.

I judge him on not only his treatment of me, but on his treatment of others on this board. In particular the others who do nothing to hurt anyone else. If he had attacked me, that would be different. My nose isn't clean and I'm no angel. I get what I deserve. JMJ is completely different. And it's not like this is some sort of unusual thing from Lance, either. Lance regularly bullies and attacks people who do no one else harm. If this was a singular occurance, you wouldn't be seeing umpteen pages of garbage being thrown around. This is business as usual for your pal.

I did not tell you not to be his friend. I did not tell you that you were wrong in being his friend. I did not tell you that you weren't a good person for being his friend. I did not attack Lance, I attacked you.

I attacked you because I felt that you were attacking someone I did like. It had nothing to do with your defense of Lance other than the fact that you did it on the wrong thread.

Believe what you will.

I think you need to reread your own posts KM. You did attack Lance, numerous times. And your implication was that I was wrong in my choice of friends, and that if I didn't change my opinions I'd be subject to a shit storm. Well I got it, I lived through it. No biggie.

Like I said, I appreciate the apology - it was well intentioned and admirable. Thank you.

 

[PaganZepher]

Hmmmm?

It seems that truth will carry the day after all! Way to go Freya!

 

[KillerMuffin]

You're right, Zepher.


Way to go, Freya.

 

[Freya]

You're right, Zepher.


Way to go, Freya!

I'm done, KM. I've had a long day, and am in no mood to bash heads with you tonight. Perhaps another evening, but I'll give you the game for the night.

Once more, thank you for the apology, it was appreciated.

 

[KillerMuffin]

*sigh*

I'm not fighting you on this Freya. I'm agreeing with you on this. You're right, I'm wrong.

 

[Freya]

*sigh*

I'm not fighting you on this Freya. I'm agreeing with you on this. You're right, I'm wrong.

You know, for a bitch, you're ok KM.

 

[KillerMuffin]

I would probably be offended if I were back up on my high horse.

I think I'll take that as a compliment, though. You have no harm in you.

 

[Freya]

I would probably be offended if I were back up on my high horse.

I think I'll take that as a compliment, though. You have no harm in you.

You know, stupidly enough, that's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.

And it was completely a compliment - from one bitch to another.

 

[KillerMuffin]

You're not a real bitch. You try to be sometimes, but you do fail miserably at it.

That's kind of pathetic if that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to you. You're a good person with a lot of loyalty and integrity. This is why I feel so bad about attacking you like that, cause you are a good person and you never hurt other people.

I'm am not real happy with myself right now.

 

[tulip2lipservice]

Freya hugs....

I am not trying to stalk you even though it feels like I am at this moment. Most people will tell you on a given day I am level headed.

However I need you to think about something from the thread that Morgy posted. The information that Hans threw in your face was that general knowledge for the boards or did you share that information with some others in private? If it was in private who did you share it with? This is what others were trying to say last night about things coming back to haunt you when you are vunerable. If it was open forum than I am wrong with this accusation. Again I am not dragging this up to hurt you. Again my sincerest sympathy to you and you know my true feelings about what you just went through. Hugs.
Peace,
Tulip

 

[Freya]

You're not a real bitch. You try to be sometimes, but you do fail miserably at it.

That's kind of pathetic if that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to you. You're a good person with a lot of loyalty and integrity. This is why I feel so bad about attacking you like that, cause you are a good person and you never hurt other people.

I'm am not real happy with myself right now.

Maybe you could give me lessons.


Don't beat yourself up KM. People do and say things in the heat of the moment that they don't necessarily mean. If others can't realize that, it's their problem not yours. You did the right thing today, the apology was accepted, it's over as far as I am concerned. You were defending a friend - a very worthwhile one at that. I completely understand.

As for compliments - I hear "nice tits" and such constantly - what you said was one of the most honest things someone has ever said to me before. Thank you.



Tulip - it was public knowledge. I posted about my dad the night he passed away, and Hanns asked me at that time if he had smoked.

 

[tulip2lipservice]

Thank you Freya



Sweetie you have a good spirit about you. There is more to you than you allow yourself to believe.

Peace,
Tulip

 

[zipman]

I am sorry for going nuts on you in that other thread. I should not have done so. You do what you will do and that's none of my affair. I apologize for attacking. you such as I did It doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it go away. But I am still sorry I did it--not because I've been hurt by it, but because I cause you some pain, probably just frustration or something, but that's still not something I should be doing.

Secondly, I wanted to let you know that I didn't call your pain "whatever" to dismiss it or diminish it. I just couldn't think of another word to use to describe it at the time. I consider that part of your life to be personal information and not something I should repeat on a public board. You can't edit my posts and I wanted to respect your privacy. I didn't mean to disrespect you, even though I did. I'm sorry for that, too.

KM,

I am sorry that you felt that I was casting aspersions on your apology. That was not my intent.

For the record, I think it was very nice that you apologized to Freya and is a behavior that should be more practiced here at Lit more often.

Zip

 

[Freya]

Re: Re: Freya2

KM,

I am sorry that you felt that I was casting aspersions on your apology. That was not my intent.

For the record, I think it was very nice that you apologized to Freya and is a behavior that should be more practiced here at Lit more often.

Zip

Now where's my damn collar?