Four years ago today.

[Wok]

Howdy!

I like it when threads turn fluffy.

 

[Sinny]

Howdy!

I like it when threads turn fluffy.

I am so happy to see you, I could eat a lollipop and glide on a rainbow. Stop being absent, k?

 

[Cheyenne]

Cheyenne, from January 2004....

Hey, I remember writing that about Kevin and Karen!

 

[Lancecastor]

Oh look what's decloaking....ShyAnne!

https://startrax.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/warbird-decloaking.png

 

[raindancer]

Hey, I remember writing that about Kevin and Karen!

Hey you!

KK and KRC? wow.

 

[patient1]

Hey you!

KK and KRC? wow.

Actually Marxist was the first to suspect KK. Then I dug into and documented some of it, or what there was at the time, but by and large no-one on the board cared or beieved. Years later Sonny did the gumshoe work and revealed the whole thing. Admittedly, by that point the truth was too crazy for conspiracy theorists to imagine.

KRC- I never once suspected, even though many on the board insisted/suspected fraud based upon writing style alone. I thought "she" didn't care what anybody thought, so why would she lie about herself?

 

[Queersetti]

Actually Marxist was the first to suspect KK. Then I dug into and documented some of it, or what there was at the time, but by and large no-one on the board cared or beieved. Years later Sonny did the gumshoe work and revealed the whole thing. Admittedly, by that point the truth was too crazy for conspiracy theorists to imagine.

KRC- I never once suspected, even though many on the board insisted/suspected fraud based upon writing style alone. I thought "she" didn't care what anybody thought, so why would she lie about herself?

Ahem

 

[hashtag45]

n00b view here (well, not technically, but I haven't dived much into the GB past, so I'm one from that pov):

I find it odd that Karen Kraft / Ken left such an enduring legacy: people (including ms_Ann, BertNotorious and so on) being harassed re their gender because they thought they might be his reincarnation or someone similar, and so on.
-- even though Karen Kraft/Ken -allegedly- posted the pics. with the actress's consent

Whereas Jennifer Kaye and KR Cummings were given an easier way out by the GB males.
-- and these posters were much more despicable than Ken as I see it, because they stole someone else's identity and posted intimate pictures without their consent.

The telling thing that sets these cases apart seems to be that Karen Kraft aka Ken had cybersex with several GB male posters, whereas the other two didn't.


Need I spell it out? What I believe? (besides the GB double standards in such cases)
Given that I've seen that quite a few posters who said they were female (who never posted pics. that were identifiable or more intimate, therefore unlikely to do major damage to some RL woman, hypothetically speaking) that were also trolled with homophobic and anti-trans posts?

Not saying that my take on things is 100% valid, because I don't have all the facts. But that's how this all comes across to me.

 

[patient1]

Ahem

A movie? Well, it was quite a bizarre mystery with many a plot twist, and tomato seed.

 

[Emerson40]

Oh-oh. Looks like Lit's premiere alt detective has found a new cause, and is on the case.

He will likely be rehashing this ad nauseum, probably until he can find a way to relate it all to his experience here, and flash his victim card once more.


The OCD with this one is strong.

http://forums.riftgame.com/attachments/pvp-warfronts/15171d1382739450t-squirrel-mount-incoming-squirrel.jpg

n00b view here (well, not technically, but I haven't dived much into the GB past, so I'm one from that pov):

I find it odd that Karen Kraft / Ken left such an enduring legacy: people (including ms_Ann, BertNotorious and so on) being harassed re their gender because they thought they might be his reincarnation or someone similar, and so on.
-- even though Karen Kraft/Ken -allegedly- posted the pics. with the actress's consent

Whereas Jennifer Kaye and KR Cummings were given an easier way out by the GB males.
-- and these posters were much more despicable than Ken as I see it, because they stole someone else's identity and posted intimate pictures without their consent.

The telling thing that sets these cases apart seems to be that Karen Kraft aka Ken had cybersex with several GB male posters, whereas the other two didn't.


Need I spell it out? What I believe? (besides the GB double standards in such cases)
Given that I've seen that quite a few posters who said they were female (who never posted pics. that were identifiable or more intimate, therefore unlikely to do major damage to some RL woman, hypothetically speaking) that were also trolled with homophobic and anti-trans posts?

Not saying that my take on things is 100% valid, because I don't have all the facts. But that's how this all comes across to me.

Honestly.
I don't dispute the fact that there might be men pretending to be women around, but I don't buy the "Ken was a movie producer who used Natasha Melnik's audition tapes" story.
At most, that person was someone who looked a lot like her.

That bizarre scenario doesn't make sense from a normal person's point of view. On the other hand, it gives one some insight into how coo-coo a lot of GBers are.

I had a look through the link provided about KRC, and… what an asshole!
Far more worse than what Karen Kraft / Ken allegedly did.

If that mind-boggling Lit. urban legend about Karen Kraft were to be true: (I still have my doubts about that, tbh)

I can see how awful that must have felt for the male Litsters who were duped by Ken. And that's not OK either.
But at least Ken did with the consent (sort of) of the woman whose pictures he used.
And what the Litsters who were duped by Ken felt pales in comparison to how violated KRC's wife must have felt, when she found out that he stole her identity and posted her more raunchy pics. without her consent.

There was another fella who tried to pull a similar move a couple of weeks ago, but several Litsters picked up on that and sent him packing.

Quite a conandrum: letting a real predator slide through, versus taking innocent posters for one.

I didn't post it with the intent of focusing on KRC. I wanted to focus on Karen Kraft.

I used KRC and that fella who posted a few weeks ago, mainly as examples for illustrating that Karen Kraft/ Ken (if that story was true -highly unlikely, tho-) was not, by far, the scummiest poster on Lit.

Yet his/her legacy seemed to have carried on for years after (s)he left, and is the main reason why so many female n00bs are being harassed and accused -mainly by male posters- of being female impersonators.


EDIT.
I think that it all points to a certain logic, or otherwise to certain double standards that I've seen around here.
That female n00bs who are reluctant to post pictures are far more likely to be harassed and accused of being female impersonators, than the n00bs who post pics.

Because, should both be revealed to be impostors: guess which ones would be more likely to do damage to some woman from their RL?

wow. That many. What an awful experience for those women.
Which now makes a bit more understandable, so to speak the extent of the GB paranoia.
I just wish that our GB "pervert and impersonator hunters" would be more discerning and focus on those who would pose a real potential risk to some RL woman. As in focusing on posters who post full-face intimate pics., as opposed to picking on posters who don't post any personal pics. at all.

And the problem certainly isn't unique to this site. For example, I saw a couple of crime docus. on youtube about husbands or landlords who were caught filming their wives or tenants (even upskirts in the bathroom) etc. without their knowledge, and exchanging those pics. vids. with other people. Awful stuff.

 

[hashtag45]

wow. Look who just farted. Again.
86.
How much more fucking transparent and stupid can one be?

 

[Emerson40]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2lt9jsVWG1qdvatvo1_400.png

 

[Emerson40]

wow. Look who just farted. Again.
86.
How much more fucking transparent and stupid can one be?

When the gumshoe fits...


To answer your question though, I really don't know.

Just when I think you have displayed the extent of your stupidity, you show up the next day and in a pist or two, show us that you can in fact be more stupid.


I will acknowledge this though, although the level of attention seeking and hob-knobbing with the racist knob-gobblers has not diminished any, you have certainly dialed down your histrionics some, and have shown some noticeable restraint in your pisting frequency.

Well done!

 

[hashtag45]

lol the cognitive dissonance is high with the less endowed.

Look who's dressing up his mental illness and deviant behavior as being for "a noble cause"!
86!

 

[Darbhinder]

n00b view here (well, not technically, but I haven't dived much into the GB past, so I'm one from that pov):

I find it odd that Karen Kraft / Ken left such an enduring legacy: people (including ms_Ann, BertNotorious and so on) being harassed re their gender because they thought they might be his reincarnation or someone similar, and so on.
-- even though Karen Kraft/Ken -allegedly- posted the pics. with the actress's consent

Whereas Jennifer Kaye and KR Cummings were given an easier way out by the GB males.
-- and these posters were much more despicable than Ken as I see it, because they stole someone else's identity and posted intimate pictures without their consent.

The telling thing that sets these cases apart seems to be that Karen Kraft aka Ken had cybersex with several GB male posters, whereas the other two didn't.


Need I spell it out? What I believe? (besides the GB double standards in such cases)
Given that I've seen that quite a few posters who said they were female (who never posted pics. that were identifiable or more intimate, therefore unlikely to do major damage to some RL woman, hypothetically speaking) that were also trolled with homophobic and anti-trans posts?

Not saying that my take on things is 100% valid, because I don't have all the facts. But that's how this all comes across to me.

Stfu you imbecile. Nobody cares how this all comes off to you. You are another KK and KRC, you penis paking paki!

 

[Emerson40]

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[hashtag45]

Wow. Finally.
But please keep me on ignore, you stupid 50-year old sleazy disgusting fat fuck.

 

[Wrong Element]

n00b view here (well, not technically, but I haven't dived much into the GB past, so I'm one from that pov):

I find it odd that Karen Kraft / Ken left such an enduring legacy: people (including ms_Ann, BertNotorious and so on) being harassed re their gender because they thought they might be his reincarnation or someone similar, and so on.
-- even though Karen Kraft/Ken -allegedly- posted the pics. with the actress's consent

Whereas Jennifer Kaye and KR Cummings were given an easier way out by the GB males.
-- and these posters were much more despicable than Ken as I see it, because they stole someone else's identity and posted intimate pictures without their consent.

A big difference between "Karen" and KRC/Jennifer Kaye is that KK used numerous alts, many of them troll alts (beyond the alt that was "Karen Kraft"), and was unusually un-subtle about it. IOW, the fat lawyer was a pain in the ass apart from the fact that he was pretending to be a waifish twentysomething. Jennifer Kaye didn't troll at all (and wasn't even much of a GBer; she mostly tended to her endless, and as it turned out fake, AmPics thread). And KRC was plenty caustic using the KRC persona; the last thing she needed was a troll alt.

I have little doubt people here would have given KRC a hard time had she stuck around to face the music, but she didn't.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

A big difference between "Karen" and KRC/Jennifer Kaye is that KK used numerous alts, many of them troll alts (beyond the alt that was "Karen Kraft"), and was unusually un-subtle about it. IOW, the fat lawyer was a pain in the ass apart from the fact that he was pretending to be a waifish twentysomething. Jennifer Kaye didn't troll at all (and wasn't even much of a GBer; she mostly tended to her endless, and as it turned out fake, AmPics thread). And KRC was plenty caustic using the KRC persona; the last thing she needed was a troll alt.

I have little doubt people here would have given KRC a hard time had she stuck around to face the music, but she didn't.

Good analysis.

I would also add that KK was far more aggressive about protecting his alter. He actually hired an actress to star in a video to racially harass me by waving around watermelon and fried chicken. (It worked, many people bought it. I didn't.) KRC and Jennifer Kaye never did anything so ridiculous.

 

[Disgustipated]

n00b view here (well, not technically, but I haven't dived much into the GB past, so I'm one from that pov):

I find it odd that Karen Kraft / Ken left such an enduring legacy: people (including ms_Ann, BertNotorious and so on) being harassed re their gender because they thought they might be his reincarnation or someone similar, and so on.
-- even though Karen Kraft/Ken -allegedly- posted the pics. with the actress's consent

Whereas Jennifer Kaye and KR Cummings were given an easier way out by the GB males.
-- and these posters were much more despicable than Ken as I see it, because they stole someone else's identity and posted intimate pictures without their consent.

The telling thing that sets these cases apart seems to be that Karen Kraft aka Ken had cybersex with several GB male posters, whereas the other two didn't.


Need I spell it out? What I believe? (besides the GB double standards in such cases)
Given that I've seen that quite a few posters who said they were female (who never posted pics. that were identifiable or more intimate, therefore unlikely to do major damage to some RL woman, hypothetically speaking) that were also trolled with homophobic and anti-trans posts?

Not saying that my take on things is 100% valid, because I don't have all the facts. But that's how this all comes across to me.

We already knew you didn't know/understand/comprehend anything about any of this. Why interject? You've been told the truth but it doesn't fit the narrative you need to believe to keep posting here. I mean, if you actually believed that your friends are raging pieces of shit that aided and abetted KK's weak-ass wrath, what else do you have?

None of these questions need to be answered and your dumbass answers will most likely not be read anyway.

 

[hashtag45]

A big difference between "Karen" and KRC/Jennifer Kaye is that KK used numerous alts, many of them troll alts (beyond the alt that was "Karen Kraft"), and was unusually un-subtle about it. IOW, the fat lawyer was a pain in the ass apart from the fact that he was pretending to be a waifish twentysomething. Jennifer Kaye didn't troll at all (and wasn't even much of a GBer; she mostly tended to her endless, and as it turned out fake, AmPics thread). And KRC was plenty caustic using the KRC persona; the last thing she needed was a troll alt.

I have little doubt people here would have given KRC a hard time had she stuck around to face the music, but she didn't.

Now it makes a lot more sense to me. Why people seem so disproportionately focused on KK. He was meaner + made a lot more noise and waves. Among other things,
Thanks.

1.We already knew you didn't know/understand/comprehend anything about any of this. Why interject? You've been told the truth but it doesn't fit the narrative you need to believe to keep posting here.

2.I mean, if you actually believed that your friends are raging pieces of shit that aided and abetted KK's weak-ass wrath, what else do you have?

None of these questions need to be answered and your dumbass answers will most likely not be read anyway.

1. Well, you didn't pick up on the nuance: I used to needle you about cybersexing with KK because the the topic obviously bothered you. Watching you and Sean explaining yourselves: hillarious!!!
N.B. : relax, I never thought that you had sex with KK. As I told you before, I made it all up. It was fun, tho.

I brought up KK's name here in an entirely different context, and I didn't have you guys in mind.
Because, did You ever troll n00bs (other than Ann) with accusations of being female impersonators? Nope.

2.Always getting a boner over Right-wingers, aren't you? What do they have to do with this?

 

[Disgustipated]

He's too stupid to realize their dumbasses wouldn't piss on him if he was a rocket surgeon.

 

[hashtag45]

He's too stupid to realize their dumbasses wouldn't piss on him if he was a rocket surgeon.

Watch the boner!
This ain't about R-wingers.

 

[hashtag45]

Good analysis.

I would also add that KK was far more aggressive about protecting his alter. He actually hired an actress to star in a video to racially harass me by waving around watermelon and fried chicken. (It worked, many people bought it. I didn't.) KRC and Jennifer Kaye never did anything so ridiculous.

Wow. What a piece of work! Him and the actress too, if she colluded with that.

Although the doubt still lingers 30% in my mind: maybe it was someone who looked a lot like Natasha Melnik. Because there are a lot of lookalikes in the world, aren't they?
Because the story is too bizarre. Although the fact that KK posted a pic. of Ken's garden makes it more believable.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Wow. What a piece of work! Him and the actress too, if she colluded with that.

Although the doubt still lingers 30% in my mind: maybe it was someone who looked a lot like Natasha Melnik. Because there are a lot of lookalikes in the world, aren't they?
Because the story is too bizarre. Although the fact that KK posted a pic. of Ken's garden makes it more believable.

I don't know who Natasha Melnik is nor do I care. I just know Ken hired someone to act as Karen Kraft in order to make a long, racist, unfunny video to attack me. Friends of KK were elated that it "proved" KK was real (and paid no mind to the racism). I knew it was all bullshit, something he did because I did a thread called, "Hey Karen Kraft, Show me your Penis" back in the day. When I saw the elaborate set up done to burn me, a random internet person, I realized that Ken was actually mentally unhinged so I put KK on ignore.