For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

The biggest threat to the F-16s is going to be concealing their locations on the ground from persistent overhead surveillance and targeting systems. The other threat is being forced to fly at low altitudes to avoid being tracked and targeted by long-range systems like the S-400 and then being vulnerable to Russian short-range battlefield systems and trigger-happy friendly forces who might mistake you for an enemy aircraft. Another thing to consider is the terrain in Ukraine, much of it is flat and affords little cover for a maneuvering aircraft trying to avoid radar or line of sight detection.

I'm pretty sure Tom Cooper went into that in his post on procedures, and on "Finding Nemo" and he expressed just that concern as well. I resume that is also part of the reason Ukraine got those old US F16's of the scrapheap shipped in as decoy's. Russia will have been tracking Ukraine aircraft patterns for the last 2.5 years and will now be looking for anything anomalous to identify where the F16's are being based and flown from. As for hydrazine, no, I didn't know that but Ukraine seems to be able to operate a pretty good logistical system, so that'd be the least of their worries I'd think.

 

[ChloeTzang]

"It's just awful!" Update on the Kursk Hospital from a Russian women working there: ""They are transporting the wounded in droves, the killed in droves, all the cars and KamAZ trucks are filled with corpses and the wounded without limbs. It's just awful!"

The more the war is taken to Russia, the more Russian civilians will learn everything they have been told over the last 10-years is a lie like the real number of Russian casualties.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1822592927664619551

 

[Buffalogurl]

https://en.topwar.ru/246446-na-ukra...-otvechavshij-za-logistiku-postavok-f-16.html
This news is a bit outdated (25 days ago), he's an American military officer responsible for the logistics problems of the F16s... he died "suddenly" in his hotel room. The ukies aren't talking about how he died.....
It's my firm belief that the F16s are not flying out of Ukraine but flying out of neighboring nato countries piloted by sheepdipped nato pilots....no one in their right mind would allow rookie Ukraining pilots to operate these highly complex, valuable irreplaceable weapons.... just too damd risky.....also I firmly believe the F16s are in "Ukraine" to deliver the b16 tactical nukes for a first "decapitation" strike on Russia, there is far and away too much at stake in the amount of resources that corporate America wants to plunder from the hapless Ukrainians. Between Zelensky and the US government the Ukrainians have been played.......jmho....and a good many others as well......

 

[Buffalogurl]

I'm pretty sure Tom Cooper went into that in his post on procedures, and on "Finding Nemo" and he expressed just that concern as well. I resume that is also part of the reason Ukraine got those old US F16's of the scrapheap shipped in as decoy's. Russia will have been tracking Ukraine aircraft patterns for the last 2.5 years and will now be looking for anything anomalous to identify where the F16's are being based and flown from. As for hydrazine, no, I didn't know that but Ukraine seems to be able to operate a pretty good logistical system, so that'd be the least of their worries I'd think.

They're (F16s) being flown out of neighboring nato countries...... the Russians have destroyed any viable airfield, also with the demonstration of Russian satellite surveillance a few days ago in Yemen the F-16s days are numbered. If they by chance are in Ukraine.. the f16 is only safe in nato countries we know it, Zelensky knows it, as do the Russians.....

 

[ChloeTzang]

https://en.topwar.ru/246446-na-ukra...-otvechavshij-za-logistiku-postavok-f-16.html
This news is a bit outdated (25 days ago), he's an American military officer responsible for the logistics problems of the F16s... he died "suddenly" in his hotel room. The ukies aren't talking about how he died.....
It's my firm belief that the F16s are not flying out of Ukraine but flying out of neighboring nato countries piloted by sheepdipped nato pilots....no one in their right mind would allow rookie Ukraining pilots to operate these highly complex, valuable irreplaceable weapons.... just too damd risky.....also I firmly believe the F16s are in "Ukraine" to deliver the b16 tactical nukes for a first "decapitation" strike on Russia, there is far and away too much at stake in the amount of resources that corporate America wants to plunder from the hapless Ukrainians. Between Zelensky and the US government the Ukrainians have been played.......jmho....and a good many others as well......

No such thing as a decapitation first strike. Russia still has nuclear capable subs and ICBM's and there's no way Biden OR Trump OR Harris would order a first strike with nukes. Iran and the Mullah's might be that crazy but even with them, I would doubt it.

And no way Zelensky would allow Ukrainian F16's to do anything like that. As for sheepdipped pilots, there'd be enough volunteers if they were allowed to go, for sure. But Jake Sullivan would be VERY unlikely to permit that. And you don't need to be in country to help with planning these days.

 

[ChloeTzang]

It seems Russia DOES NOT own the skies over Kursk Oblast. You don't fly that low without good reason, and I guess the reasons are being carried around with the ZSU. I've seen dozen of videos of Ukrainian pilots doing this, but this is the first time seeing Russia do it. Must be a high threat environment.

On a side note, I can't wait for the first helicopter vs. 18 wheeler crash.

 

[ChloeTzang]

AFU advanced deep into the Kursk region by ~40 km, — The Economist.
• In the evening, AFU took control of Gordiivka and finally established themselves in Martynivka.
• The exchange fund was significantly replenished: 1,000+ Russians were captured.




More Russian soldiers surrendered en masse to Ukraine in Kursk region.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1822711804105207852

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukrainian Forces have decimated a unit of Chechen fighters loyal to Ramzan Kadyrov, reports the Ukrainian project Deep State. Captured deep inside enemy lines, the captives claim they were attempting to flee to avoid capture. Members of Ukraine's 225th Separate Assault Brigade are credited with the tactical victory over the Chechen 'Akhmat' unit. "The boys carried out a series of measures that ensured the operation’s tactical success," DeepState highlights. Theumber of prisoners is approaching 2000.

Meanwhile, the 'I Want to Live' project has released footage showing dozens of captives, some identifying themselves as belonging to the Akhmat unit when questioned. "Raiding groups apprehended these Kadyrov fighters deep in the rear. They tried to flee, given Kadyrov’s earlier assertion that Akhmat fighters do not surrender," the project states. The accompanying video remarks that the situation in the Kursk region developed dynamically, noting that these fighters did not even attempt to resist.

Ironically, the Kremlin is now accusing some of its propagandists of having incited panic and has begun to arrest some of them.

https://uawire.org/ukrainian-forces...sk-region-dozens-of-chechen-fighters-captured

https://twitter.com/x/status/1822706662743978297

 

[ChloeTzang]

Does one detect a certain amount of...panic?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Has anyone seen Gerasimov alive in the last 24 hours?

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Kursk offensive: Privat Anton, a Russian conscript, sought out the Ukrainian Armed Forces (AFU) and surrendered to give them the coordinates of Kadyrovites in the area who gang-raped him. The AFU then shelled the Kadyrovites with artillery. Photo of one of the rapists.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Captured Russians. Kursk Oblast

 

[icanhelp1]

Captured Russians. Kursk Oblast

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What’s your source for all this info?

 

[Buffalogurl]

No such thing as a decapitation first strike. Russia still has nuclear capable subs and ICBM's and there's no way Biden OR Trump OR Harris would order a first strike with nukes. Iran and the Mullah's might be that crazy but even with them, I would doubt it.

And no way Zelensky would allow Ukrainian F16's to do anything like that. As for sheepdipped pilots, there'd be enough volunteers if they were allowed to go, for sure. But Jake Sullivan would be VERY unlikely to permit that. And you don't need to be in country to help with planning these days.

The thing is Chioe, your assuming Zelensky is in "charge" he is most definitely not, Zelensky is similar to a lawyer he's just the front/bag/mouthpiece for nato. He does as he is instructed. Nothing more, nothing less.
This attack into Russia proper is an invention of nato and in particular the United States.....
The Ukrainian war machine has absolutely nothing without the nato backing, no satellite targeting, surveillance, logistics ect.... Ukraine would have collapsed months back without western aid.....
No, it doesn't matter how many volunteers that are available to drive the F-16's those in power, the real decision makers are not going to allow rookie pilots to operate the F16s
One more item to ponder this attack into Russia proper may very well galvanize the Russians into a full on mobilization, then give the hardliners the ability to "take the gloves off" no matter the outcome of this blood bath Ukraine will be in-slaved to the money backers/banks. They(Ukraine)are literally dieing to be slaves..... unfortunate as all hell what's left of their culture, their children's future is been for all intents and purposes utterly erased...... and this all started with the United States backing a over throw of a legal, duly elected government of Ukraine under the Obama regime.....
Honestly the good people of Ukraine and in particular the Russians have been duped/played, into destroying one another.....
Please remember I'm not being snarky, I do so welcome your posts..... and a good measure of my posts here are just my humble opinions...

 

[Buffalogurl]

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/adrenoch...-leaders-are-addicted-to-childrens-blood/it's known in the inner circles of power they refer to Zelensky as booger sugar Zelensky...... just say'in

 

[ll74]

Has Putin de-nazified Ukraine yet?
Has he reduced or eliminated Nazis from Ukraine in any measureable amount?
Does he have an ETA on mission success of de-nazifying Ukraine?

Has he even discussed progress of his end goal, which was stated as de-nazification of Ukraine?

Answer to all the above is no.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Has Putin de-nazified Ukraine yet?
Has he reduced or eliminated Nazis from Ukraine in any measureable amount?
Does he have an ETA on mission success of de-nazifying Ukraine?

Has he even discussed progress of his end goal, which was stated as de-nazification of Ukraine?

Answer to all the above is no.

LOL. And all of that is of course assuming that there ARE Nazis in Ukraine to start with. Most of the images of "Ukrainian" Nazis have turned out to be Russians, but not a worry - Ukraine is proceeding with the denazification of Russia. So far almost 600,000 Russians have been successfully de-nazified by the ZSU

 

[ChloeTzang]

What’s your source for all this info?

This very often
https://x.com/NOELreports

Been following his twitter feed pretty much since the war started. Quite reliable and consistent and without any fake info. He checks his sources. There's a few feeds that are good but can be a bit sensational, but Noel reports is one of the better ones.

Azov are useful too
https://x.com/Azovsouth

KhersonCat
https://x.com/bayraktar_1love

Euromaidan Press
https://x.com/EuromaidanPress

Quite a few others that are interesting but a bit more sensational sometimes and can be less reliable. If you're interested, I can drop a list here with links later when I have time. I don't use the Russian Telegram channels at all unless they are thru one of the feeds I follow - the Ru Telegram stuff is totally unreliable and really needs a much more knowledgeable assessment than I can do myself.

 

[Buffalogurl]

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/iskanders-glide-bombs-thermobaric-rains-kursk
This is an "update" from military watch magazine on kursk fight.... I believe it's not propaganda, but as accurate as this can be given the circumstances.....

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

The thing is Chioe, your assuming Zelensky is in "charge" he is most definitely not, Zelensky is similar to a lawyer he's just the front/bag/mouthpiece for nato. He does as he is instructed.

This is the other bizarre fantasy from Putin knob slobbers--who cares if Zelensky is corrupt, a puppet, what ever whatever (spoiler alert: he's not)? All that matter is that orcs are getting slaughtered, and the z-dawg is doing a tremendous job at that. Sad that so many Ukrainians are dying, but keep your eye on the ball. For generations hence, the epic realpoitik statesmanship of Biden will be studied--duping a would-be superpower into punching themselves in the head so hard and so long they fall straight into failed state status. And doing it with mothballed inventory! Utterly remarkable.

 

[icanhelp1]

This very often
https://x.com/NOELreports

Been following his twitter feed pretty much since the war started. Quite reliable and consistent and without any fake info. He checks his sources. There's a few feeds that are good but can be a bit sensational, but Noel reports is one of the better ones.

Azov are useful too
https://x.com/Azovsouth

KhersonCat
https://x.com/bayraktar_1love

Euromaidan Press
https://x.com/EuromaidanPress

Quite a few others that are interesting but a bit more sensational sometimes and can be less reliable. If you're interested, I can drop a list here with links later when I have time. I don't use the Russian Telegram channels at all unless they are thru one of the feeds I follow - the Ru Telegram stuff is totally unreliable and really needs a much more knowledgeable assessment than I can do myself.

I stopped tracking when Lui-dupes, or whatever his his name was, stopped posting. I don’t trust any American sources, everything US sources posit usual has a political slant to it. I don’t need someone’s political opinion, just the facts.

Thanks for sharing that with me!

 

[ChloeTzang]

I stopped tracking when Lui-dupes, or whatever his his name was, stopped posting. I don’t trust any American sources, everything US sources posit usual has a political slant to it. I don’t need someone’s political opinion, just the facts.

Thanks for sharing that with me!

It's fascinating to watch at times. Back in the first year, a lot of info came from Ukrainian accounts. You could actually see when the Ukrainians were doing something because all the accounts would go dark on whatever it was - Kherson was a classic example of that where the govt asked everyone not to talk about it and overnight, zippo. They are very conscious about OpSec with good reason - release a photo and instant geolocationing, and then the artillery or missiles - you can see it right now in Kursk with a couple of the Russian reporters making that basic mistake. So there's far less immediate info available now. Take Kursk, the Ukrainian OpSec is insanely tight. It's so hard to figure out what's going on and that's good. If we can't, the Russians likely can't either.

As for twitter, there's so much crap that flies around, I just follow the ones I trust now, some of them are more opinion than fact but as long as the label it, thats fine.

Here's a few more. These ones are pretty good but I don't take their word for it - but quite good extrapolations and some good background

Trent Telenko is pretty good. Some speculation and opinion as well as analysis
https://x.com/TrentTelenko

https://x.com/Osinttechnical
Images, video clips and snippets - good source

https://x.com/noclador
Thomas Theiner - good source of opinion and analysis

https://x.com/WarintheFuture
Australian General Mick Ryan is ALWAYS worth reading

https://x.com/JimmySecUK
Jimmy Rushton is Kyiv based - good background and analysis

https://x.com/IAPonomarenko
Illia Ponomarenko is a Ukrainian reporter and worth tracking. Not day to day stuff, but his articles are good and he's a great source for Ukrainian opinions

 

[Rightguide]

It's fascinating to watch at times. Back in the first year, a lot of info came from Ukrainian accounts. You could actually see when the Ukrainians were doing something because all the accounts would go dark on whatever it was - Kherson was a classic example of that where the govt asked everyone not to talk about it and overnight, zippo. They are very conscious about OpSec with good reason - release a photo and instant geolocationing, and then the artillery or missiles - you can see it right now in Kursk with a couple of the Russian reporters making that basic mistake. So there's far less immediate info available now. Take Kursk, the Ukrainian OpSec is insanely tight. It's so hard to figure out what's going on and that's good. If we can't, the Russians likely can't either.

As for twitter, there's so much crap that flies around, I just follow the ones I trust now, some of them are more opinion than fact but as long as the label it, thats fine.

Here's a few more. These ones are pretty good but I don't take their word for it - but quite good extrapolations and some good background

Trent Telenko is pretty good. Some speculation and opinion as well as analysis
https://x.com/TrentTelenko

https://x.com/Osinttechnical
Images, video clips and snippets - good source

https://x.com/noclador
Thomas Theiner - good source of opinion and analysis

https://x.com/WarintheFuture
Australian General Mick Ryan is ALWAYS worth reading

https://x.com/JimmySecUK
Jimmy Rushton is Kyiv based - good background and analysis

https://x.com/IAPonomarenko
Illia Ponomarenko is a Ukrainian reporter and worth tracking. Not day to day stuff, but his articles are good and he's a great source for Ukrainian opinions

Go to the Military Summary channel on YouTube for even handed daily reports on battlefield conditions in Ukraine.

 

[ChloeTzang]

This is such a great contribution by Rheinmetall and it's these things that are so important to. It's not just IFV's and tanks and ammo. It's field hospitals, medical equipment, front line ambulances to evacuate casualties, First Aid Kits for soldiers, Field Kitchens, Laundry Units, Mobile Showers, all the stuff that's not exciting bit is essential to a functioning military. Even MRE's.

Some of those captured Russian soldiers have not eaten for 5 days, or had a wash in a month. One of the big complaints from Ukrainians is that Russian POW's stink when they're first captured....think what that does to health and morale. And think of the difference that knowing that if you are wounded, you'll be evacuated to, and treated in, something like this makes.