For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

The only safe place for an F-16 in Ukraine is over the center of the country. Every minute spent on the ground increases the risk of detection and attack. It also wastes a precious asset. Much as airlines have discovered, it’s most efficient to keep aircraft working as much as possible, swapping out crews as needed until the maintenance schedule calls for an overhaul. Ukraine’s F-16s are older, but they have several years of hard flying left. Ukraine is likely to accelerate the acquisition of more modern combat jets going forward, so if the first few dozen are all lost or worn out by the end of 2025 it shouldn’t much matter. There are plenty of Vipers out there, but far fewer air and ground crews. It seems that a small squadron of ten is in service. Ukraine also appears to have gotten hold of static airframes to use as decoys, with sharp-eyed observers noting that the aircraft behind President Zelensky in the big photo op are old models. The ones that actually fly are former Danish jets.

Having Ukrainian jets shuttle between fields in central Ukraine solves both the need for distribution as well as the distance between Kyiv and the fronts. The official combat radius of an F-16 on a ground attack mission is a bit over 500km, but in an air combat configuration an 800-1,000km combat radius is possible. Combat radius is usually taken to mean the distance a jet can fly a given combat profile, spend up to fifteen minutes actively fighting, then return to base, so it along with most other aspects of range depend tremendously on the aircraft’s loadout and how the pilot chooses to fly. An F-16 flying out of Kyiv will eat up half its fuel getting to and from a patrol area set far enough behind the front to avoid coming under attack but close enough to engage within a few minutes of detecting an inbound threat. The basic operating pattern for the F-16s will look like a shuttle service. Only the most simple and speediest ground tasks will be handled at the forward bases to minimize the threat of drone or missile attack.

A two-ship Viper flight can leave Kyiv, patrol for an hour over the Dnipro, then land at separate bases to refuel, rearm, and swap pilots in a bunker. In under half an hour the jets will be turned around like a pit stop at a racetrack and sent back up. When aircraft is operated for long enough that it needs maintenance spanning several hours, it can cycle back to Kyiv for work in an underground shelter. When major work needs to be done the aircraft can shuttle back to Poland. In theory, ten aircraft in the inventory could mean that Ukraine perpetually keeps two in the sky with another two ready to take off. Two more will be recovering from a mission, a fourth pair preparing to fight, with the fifth in maintenance. Any aircraft not available within a day can be replaced by one stored abroad. That would mean that every one of the twelve or so Viper pilots in Ukraine goes up twice every twenty-four hours until more arrive. Historically speaking this isn’t an extreme load, especially if the mission profile is usually fairly simple and keeps pilots over friendly territory.

U.S. Navy aircraft carrier operations are a useful rough guide to what will prove sustainable. They boast the ability to maintain over 300 sorties a day for several in a row, or 150-200 for up to six months. They carry seventy aircraft, meaning that each flies two to three times a day, but likely enough pilots that each only flies once. Carrier operations are notoriously taxing, forcing a pilot to land on a surface that’s always moving in multiple dimensions. So a 24/7 patrol cycle appears doable, if difficult. It might not seem like much to have only two jets airborne and another pair ready to scramble, but each pair can theoretically take down a dozen orc cruise missiles. How many hospitals or schools will that save? More than none, which is why this counts as a big win even if Ukraine can’t go actively hunting Sukhois for a while. In September the number of trained Ukrainian pilots should roughly double. By the new year they’ll hopefully have doubled again, reaching 40-50, though it’s difficult to be certain going by news reports. There has been a lot of talk in the American press about how few pilots Ukraine will have and the limited number of aircraft it can use at once. But everything is relative, and the US media is an active participant in shaping perceptions about Ukraine. Not necessarily, sad to say, for the benefit of Ukraine.

No one should expect spectacular dogfights. In a successful encounter a Ukrainian F-16 pair will be alerted to an inbound suspected glide bomb attack while they’re cruising high over the Dnipro to conserve fuel. They’ll dump their spare fuel tanks and dive to treetop level, accelerating past the speed of sound. Around 40km from the front they’ll pitch up in a zoom climb lasting up to a minute and release missiles, then dive back to the deck and run for safety. Even if detected and targeted during the climb, if the nearest orc shooter is 120km away a nimble little jet like an F-16 equipped with a modern anti-missile system should stand a very good chance of evading. There are always risks. But soldiers in the trenches accept their own. In war, everybody gets their share. I’m not focusing on the F-16’s ground attack capabilities (or the 20mm cannon mentioned in nearly every media piece for no apparent reason but to sound technical) because for the time being its main value is securing the sky. That’s the form of close air support that Ukrainian soldiers need most.

Vipers are the best hope Ukraine has of stopping the glide bombs. Hitting orc airfields is always good, the the hard truth is that Moscow has a lot of them. It can distribute its own operations at the cost of making them less efficient. What it can’t do is replace more than one or two combat losses each month, even if Moscow is happily evading US-led sanctions. F-16s are another crucial piece in the jigsaw puzzle of winning the war in Ukraine.

And from now on, every time orc aviators take to the sky, they’ll wonder if this flight will be their last. Soon they’ll learn what it’s like to be hunted.
 
How are those F-16s doing have they changed the outcome of the war yet?

A bit of a long reply in the posts above, but the answer is, yes. Just by being there they already have, and as more arrive the impact will be larger. Part of this too is integrating F16's and associated tactics into the Ukrainian Airforce's network and procedures. They have trained a lot with I think it was California National Guard F16 squadron(s) before the war, but institutional change and updating procedures and the mindset that goes with these is a lengthy task that does not take place overnight.
 
Also, you might be interested in these: these should help anyone understand the basics around integrating and operating F16's in the Ukrainian battlespace

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/the-saga-of-ukraine-and-f-16s-overture
The Saga of Ukraine and F-16s: Overture (a.k.a. 'Part 1') - on the importance of being fluent in English

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/the-saga-of-ukraine-and-f-16s-procedures
The Saga of Ukraine and F-16s: Procedures (a.k.a. ‘Part 2’) - on the importance of procedures - because all too many people do not understand the very basics of the way armed forces function. Because, apparently, the mass of people in question do not understand the importance of ‘procedures’.

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/the-saga-of-ukraine-and-f-16s-find
The Saga of Ukraine and F-16s: Find Nemo (a.k.a 'Part 3') - the Russians are already running a manhunt for every single F-16 that might ever reach Ukraine, every single pilot and member of the ground crew – for months already.

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/the-saga-of-ukraine-and-f-16s-quick
The Saga of Ukraine and F-16s: Quick Reaction Alert (a.k.a. 'Part 4') - one of ironies of this entire affair: under the current conditions in Ukraine, one simply can’t expect the PSU to deploy its F-16s in a very different fashion than it’s already deploying its MiG-29s and Su-27s.

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/the-saga-of-ukraine-and-f-16s-offensive
The Saga of Ukraine and F-16s: Offensive Counter-Air (a.k.a. Part 5) - the ‘predominant Thesis No.1’ is that the Ukrainian F-16s are first going to be used to ‘bolster Ukrainian air defences’.

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/first-ukrainian-f-16ams

(First) Ukrainian F-16AMs (UPDATED)​

 
The Belarusian Ministry of Defense is transporting heavy military equipment, including tanks, armored personnel carriers and artillery, to the border with Ukraine. The equipment is being loaded onto trains for delivery to designated bases.A Ukrainian serviceman already commented:"I looked at the deployment of Belarusian tank units to our borders... What can I say, there is no EW or barbecues on the tanks, the crews have 100% no combat experience, so in case of emergency, it's a job for a few hours for one of our FPV strike company's."

Lukashenko is Putin's bitch. He knows that when Putin goes down, so does he, so he's making noises and moves without actually doing anything. He knows if he attacked Ukraine, the ZSU would be in Minsk in 3 days.

 
Kursk: “We continue the operation!” Commander in Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi noted.

The head of the Bundestag's defense committee stated that Ukraine's offensive in the Kursk region is progressing better than expected and could lay the groundwork for negotiations with Putin's successor. He noted that Putin no longer has control over the situation.

Something like 76,000 Russian civilians have evacuated the border areas in the last few days. War is coming home to Russians now.

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The Ukrainian offensive into the Kursk Oblast of the Russian Federation is ongoing and at this point, we can be sure it's not a ‘raid’. Ukraine is releasing next to no information on the ongoing situation, operational security is tighter than a nun's ass, and most of what is known is coming from Russian milblogger sources and feeds, along with a few images Ukraine releases to the media. A couple of examples: Russian authorities have acknowledged a "breakthrough" in another district of the Kursk region, with fighting now reaching the Belovsky district, according to the acting governor of the Kursk region, Alexey Smirnov, on Telegram. He also claimed that, as of now, there are no ongoing battles in the Belovsky and Oboyansky districts of the Kursk region. It is worth noting that yesterday, Russian so-called "war correspondents" complained about a new attempted breakthrough in the Kursk region, specifically in the Belovsky district, south of the city of Sudzha. This marks a new direction, as previous fighting had been concentrated in the Sudzha and Korenevo areas.

Yesterday, Russian propagandists claimed that Ukrainian forces had allegedly "taken control" of the area around the village of Belaya. They also reported the arrival of a new brigade and equipment. Again, Ukraine has not released any info about units involved in the attack. Most pf what's known comes from Russian sources, which may or may not be accurate. Ukrainian officials and military command have so far not officially commented on the operation in Kursk Oblast, media are forced to rely on limited and questionable information circulated by Russian Telegram channels and videos of Ukrainian forces that often surface anonymously.

So lets take a look at the situation: first, this operation appears to be being run in the ‘best traditions of Soviet military doctrine’. General Syrsky (chief of the Ukrainian GenStab, or ‘GenStab-U’) is adapting new technologies to his procedures but this operation is a ‘perfect example of Soviet military doctrine, with a few modern-day ingredients’ added into the mix. The result is a ‘well-prepared’ (near-perfect reconnaissance) and better-planned operation than usual. This also better fits the ZSU – not only because of the way the bulk of the ZSU's officers and troops are trained, but also because (unlike any Western/NATO armed force) the ZSU cannot count on any kind of serious air support from the Ukrainian Air Force (this doesn't mean the PSU and/or the ZSU’s Army Aviation aren’t involved, just that they don't have the #'s of aircraft and attack helicopters to do this on a western scale). What’s also better fitting the ZSU is that they are now fighting mobile warfare, instead of having to grind through 20-km deep Russian minefields…not to mention not having to dog in and hold trench lines while being exposed to constant shelling by the Russian artillery.

So, what seen is (6 August) the ZSU first infiltrating the border: subjecting forward Russian positions to a mass of FPV-strikes while its troops encircled forward enemy positions. Once this was done, the ZSU advanced north over the border, overrunning something like three poorly-trained Russian battalions (two were overrun, the third smashed while it attempted to counterattack). That was on 6-7 August. Simultaneously, the ZSU was running raids deep into the Russian rear, while confusing the GenStab in Moscow by turning east, infiltrating and securing Sudzha, and crossing the first Russian defence line constructed – and well-fortified - in this area at the most opportune point: where the line was only poorly protected, i.e. barely occupied by any troops (this was completed by the end of 7 Aug). To keep the Russians off balance, at the same time the ZSU ‘fanned out,’ carrying out additional raids and wreaking havoc in the Russian rear all the way up to Korenovo, and then in the direction of towns along the E38 highway like ivanovskoe, Lgov and Chermoshnoi.

This pre-empted the slowly-reacting Russian GenStab: which was caught with its pants down and with no clue as to what was going on. Because it had no idea what was going on, it also had no plan for this eventuality. The Russian Army simply can’t fight if it has no plan: it’s officers are trained to act according to heavily detailed procedures. If they have none, they’re doing nothing… or they're running away (like all the officers of the 488th Motor-Rifle Regiment did). What followed (since the evening of 7 August) was, de-facto, ‘as expected’ by the GenStab-U: the Russian GenStab continued using the E38 to move its reinforcements – in full sight of Ukrainian UAVs. This enabled the ZSU to obliterate several Russian intervention units with the help of long-range weaponry (M142 HIMARS and GLMRS). Combined with a power-outage in the Kurchatov area (unclear if this was caused by an intentional hit or because the Russians managed to shoot down an Ukrainian UAV which then crashed into one of local substations, as the Russians claim), this caused a mass panic amongst the local population.

Tens of thousands of Russian civuilians began fleeing east. Unsurprisingly, Russian reinforcements still trying to reach the combat zone are running into long car treks of ‘internally displaced persons’, which is slowing them down. Meanwhile, the ZSU is savaging Russian military columns along the libes of now widely circulated column of a Russian motor-rifle battalion taken out by a HIMARS or GLMRS strike while underway in Oktyabrskoe, 5km east of Rylsk, late on 7 August. Several other columns were hit in a similar fashion, which in turn is buying time for the ZSU to deploy yet additional forces (including its artillery) inside Russia, and then follow its early raids with serious advances.

Since yesterday the Russian command is insistent that the Russian Army has ‘stopped’ the Ukrainian advance, in reality, the ZSU is only ‘now’ (i.e. the last 36 or so hours) seriously advancing: expanding its ‘bridgehead into Russia’ from the Line connecting Snegost, Novoivanovka, Mala Loknya, Cherkasskoe Porechnoe, and Martynovka – in the northern and eastern directions. This is another detail taken from the Soviet doctrine: the advancing Ukrainian units are not wasting their time and troops with frontal assaults into urban areas. They’re first advancing between of these, scouting and raiding them, then encircling and infiltrating them, before ‘collapsing them from within’. Thus, except for what the UAVs and raiding elements are doing, no advance is really going ‘straight down the road’.

Moreover, and to rub salt into the wound, the ZSU has opened a major advance through the broken terrain south of Sudzha and secured the village of Plekhovo, south of Sudzha. With this, Russian units still holding out in the Makhnovka area, directly south of Sudzha, are threatened by envelopment on both flank. The only ‘unusual’ aspect of this operation would be the ‘economy of force’ the ZSU is exercising: the ZSU simply hasn’t got ‘dozens’ of brigades and battalions to spare. Still, it has something like a ‘Soviet-style Operation Maneuver Group’ (OMG) being held behind its advance units, capable of ‘exploiting’ the situation and waiting for an opportunity to drive deeper into Russia.
 
Why?

Because, by now it must be clear even to the Keystone Cops in Moscow (and if it’s not: they’re an even bigger bunch of incompetents than I can imagine, and even reading this amateurish reconstruction can’t help them), that there are not 5, and not 15 Ukrainian brigades involved. This break-through was achieved by only three ZSU Brigades, plus few independent battalions, one artillery brigade, and several UAV-units in support. Approximately as follows:
- western sector (Korenovo and the area south of it): the 82nd Airborne Assault Brigade (this brigade is equipped with Challengers, Marders, Strykers, and M109s)
- central sector (Sudzha and area north of it): the 22nd Mechanised Brigade (PT-91/T-72s, and 2S3s… seems to have replaced its BMP-1s with M2/3 Bradleys)
- southern sector (south of Sudzha): 88th Mechanised Brigade (T-72s and BMP-1s, but no surprise considering the broken terrain in this sector).

It's important to keep in mind that for commanders like Syrsky or Gerasimov, war is like a game of chess. They’re ‘playing’ with thousands of troops, vehicles and fire-power: all while listening to reports from their intelligence services about enemy movements and positions, they’re calculating what position or maneuver is going to be of advantage – 10, 15, 20, 25… ‘1000’ steps in advance’. It’s nothing personal. That’s the way their doctrinr and experiences have taught them to do. Therefore, just like for the ZSU command right now, it’s crucial to find out what Russian reinforcements are moving to where, along what roads, and how long they might take to get there, the crucial question for the GenStab in Moscow is what is the ‘Ukrainian OMG’ going to do: where is it and in what direction might Syrsky unleash it? And just how much ammo and supplies does he have available to enable him to take this or that advantage?

Right now, that’s unclear. And that’s good, because as long as this is unclear, the Russians are not going to react in any meaningful fashion – except for trying to establish a coherent frontline. If this or that Ukrainian unit then surfaces already behind that frontline, the outlook for collapsing the frontline improves substantially, too, because Russian officers are not trained to react flexibly, and without a plan. And they’ve got no plan for a situation where their enemy is around their flanks and/or behind them. Sure, they’ll be ‘counterattacking’ – sending additional battalions into counterattacks here and there – but they will only be wasting yet more troops in the process: getting hit by HIMARs and similar while still approaching the battlefield, then running into Ukrainian ambushes, finding their units isolated by Ukrainian flanking, their positions infiltrated by Ukrainian troops etc. This will continue at least until Gerasimov manages to drag, kick and push enough Russian troops out of positions in northern Kharkiv, Kremina, Bakhmut and similar places and bring them to the Kharkiv area.

A ‘nice to know’ point here: Gerasimov has next to no useful reserves left: those ‘crack’ units, the big mechanized formations like the 90th Tank, or the 2nd and 4th Motor-Rifle Divisions the Russians used to have at the start of the invasion? These have been decimated over the last two years and have lost nearly all of their ‘top’ equipment. The number of battalions still operating stuff like T-90s can be ‘counted on the fingers of one hand’. Even his ‘strategic reserve’ - the VDV - is largely involved in ongoing battles or stiffening shaky mobiks, and that is on top of being decimated and re-filled by reservists of dubious quality. The point is: right now, he’s got not a single division proven as capable - and equipped for - anything bigger than a reinforced-company-sized attack. Thus, the ‘best’ he can put in the way of the elite ZSU offensive Brigades are units that have been rebuilt, rebuilt, rebuilt and refilled with troops already exhausted by running relentless infantry attacks again and again over the last weeks and months.

That’s about ‘the situation right now’. Now, we’ve got to wait and see what kind of ‘ace up the sleeve’ Syrsky will pull out, because Gerasimov has nothing.
 
The Ukrainian offensive into the Kursk Oblast of the Russian Federation is ongoing and at this point, we can be sure it's not a ‘raid’. Ukraine is releasing next to no information on the ongoing situation, operational security is tighter than a nun's ass, and most of what is known is coming from Russian milblogger sources and feeds, along with a few images Ukraine releases to the media. A couple of examples: Russian authorities have acknowledged a "breakthrough" in another district of the Kursk region, with fighting now reaching the Belovsky district, according to the acting governor of the Kursk region, Alexey Smirnov, on Telegram. He also claimed that, as of now, there are no ongoing battles in the Belovsky and Oboyansky districts of the Kursk region. It is worth noting that yesterday, Russian so-called "war correspondents" complained about a new attempted breakthrough in the Kursk region, specifically in the Belovsky district, south of the city of Sudzha. This marks a new direction, as previous fighting had been concentrated in the Sudzha and Korenevo areas.

Yesterday, Russian propagandists claimed that Ukrainian forces had allegedly "taken control" of the area around the village of Belaya. They also reported the arrival of a new brigade and equipment. Again, Ukraine has not released any info about units involved in the attack. Most pf what's known comes from Russian sources, which may or may not be accurate. Ukrainian officials and military command have so far not officially commented on the operation in Kursk Oblast, media are forced to rely on limited and questionable information circulated by Russian Telegram channels and videos of Ukrainian forces that often surface anonymously.

So lets take a look at the situation: first, this operation appears to be being run in the ‘best traditions of Soviet military doctrine’. General Syrsky (chief of the Ukrainian GenStab, or ‘GenStab-U’) is adapting new technologies to his procedures but this operation is a ‘perfect example of Soviet military doctrine, with a few modern-day ingredients’ added into the mix. The result is a ‘well-prepared’ (near-perfect reconnaissance) and better-planned operation than usual. This also better fits the ZSU – not only because of the way the bulk of the ZSU's officers and troops are trained, but also because (unlike any Western/NATO armed force) the ZSU cannot count on any kind of serious air support from the Ukrainian Air Force (this doesn't mean the PSU and/or the ZSU’s Army Aviation aren’t involved, just that they don't have the #'s of aircraft and attack helicopters to do this on a western scale). What’s also better fitting the ZSU is that they are now fighting mobile warfare, instead of having to grind through 20-km deep Russian minefields…not to mention not having to dog in and hold trench lines while being exposed to constant shelling by the Russian artillery.

So, what seen is (6 August) the ZSU first infiltrating the border: subjecting forward Russian positions to a mass of FPV-strikes while its troops encircled forward enemy positions. Once this was done, the ZSU advanced north over the border, overrunning something like three poorly-trained Russian battalions (two were overrun, the third smashed while it attempted to counterattack). That was on 6-7 August. Simultaneously, the ZSU was running raids deep into the Russian rear, while confusing the GenStab in Moscow by turning east, infiltrating and securing Sudzha, and crossing the first Russian defence line constructed – and well-fortified - in this area at the most opportune point: where the line was only poorly protected, i.e. barely occupied by any troops (this was completed by the end of 7 Aug). To keep the Russians off balance, at the same time the ZSU ‘fanned out,’ carrying out additional raids and wreaking havoc in the Russian rear all the way up to Korenovo, and then in the direction of towns along the E38 highway like ivanovskoe, Lgov and Chermoshnoi.

This pre-empted the slowly-reacting Russian GenStab: which was caught with its pants down and with no clue as to what was going on. Because it had no idea what was going on, it also had no plan for this eventuality. The Russian Army simply can’t fight if it has no plan: it’s officers are trained to act according to heavily detailed procedures. If they have none, they’re doing nothing… or they're running away (like all the officers of the 488th Motor-Rifle Regiment did). What followed (since the evening of 7 August) was, de-facto, ‘as expected’ by the GenStab-U: the Russian GenStab continued using the E38 to move its reinforcements – in full sight of Ukrainian UAVs. This enabled the ZSU to obliterate several Russian intervention units with the help of long-range weaponry (M142 HIMARS and GLMRS). Combined with a power-outage in the Kurchatov area (unclear if this was caused by an intentional hit or because the Russians managed to shoot down an Ukrainian UAV which then crashed into one of local substations, as the Russians claim), this caused a mass panic amongst the local population.

Tens of thousands of Russian civuilians began fleeing east. Unsurprisingly, Russian reinforcements still trying to reach the combat zone are running into long car treks of ‘internally displaced persons’, which is slowing them down. Meanwhile, the ZSU is savaging Russian military columns along the libes of now widely circulated column of a Russian motor-rifle battalion taken out by a HIMARS or GLMRS strike while underway in Oktyabrskoe, 5km east of Rylsk, late on 7 August. Several other columns were hit in a similar fashion, which in turn is buying time for the ZSU to deploy yet additional forces (including its artillery) inside Russia, and then follow its early raids with serious advances.

Since yesterday the Russian command is insistent that the Russian Army has ‘stopped’ the Ukrainian advance, in reality, the ZSU is only ‘now’ (i.e. the last 36 or so hours) seriously advancing: expanding its ‘bridgehead into Russia’ from the Line connecting Snegost, Novoivanovka, Mala Loknya, Cherkasskoe Porechnoe, and Martynovka – in the northern and eastern directions. This is another detail taken from the Soviet doctrine: the advancing Ukrainian units are not wasting their time and troops with frontal assaults into urban areas. They’re first advancing between of these, scouting and raiding them, then encircling and infiltrating them, before ‘collapsing them from within’. Thus, except for what the UAVs and raiding elements are doing, no advance is really going ‘straight down the road’.

Moreover, and to rub salt into the wound, the ZSU has opened a major advance through the broken terrain south of Sudzha and secured the village of Plekhovo, south of Sudzha. With this, Russian units still holding out in the Makhnovka area, directly south of Sudzha, are threatened by envelopment on both flank. The only ‘unusual’ aspect of this operation would be the ‘economy of force’ the ZSU is exercising: the ZSU simply hasn’t got ‘dozens’ of brigades and battalions to spare. Still, it has something like a ‘Soviet-style Operation Maneuver Group’ (OMG) being held behind its advance units, capable of ‘exploiting’ the situation and waiting for an opportunity to drive deeper into Russia.
Copy pasta breaking forum rules.
 
https://en.topwar.ru/247948-vsu-nac...-s-boevymi-otravljajuschimi-veschestvami.html
Chemical weapons now are being deployed in the kursk..... this will not go unanswered.....

Russian propaganda. Ukraine will not use chemical weapons. They are tied to NATO doctrine in this and will not risk losing US and western support, which they would, immediately, if they used chemical weapons of any sort.

Just as a suggestion. Any website ending with a dot ru is rather less reliable than CNN, and that's saying something.
 
This ZSU attack into Kursk and now Bilhorod will stretch the front and break it. Russia has to respond, amd it will take 100,000 Russian soldiers to form a defensive line that will hold this Ukrainian attack. Conscripts in training will not do it - they will simply be slaughtered, as has already happened with conscript units that tried to hold or attack - they were obliterated or simply surrendered. Russia will have to bring in units with at least some experience, and these will have to come from the existing units already inside Ukraine. They will have to be withdrawn and repositioned, likely under Ukrainian attack anywhere close to the front and then as they move up. This has already been happening with Russian columns in Kursk Oblast and the Russian cannot match the Ukrainians in maneuver war, particularly the "new" Brigades with US and NATO equipment and training.

In withdrawing these units from the existing frontlines, Russia is weakening those positions and exposing themselves to attacks elsewhere, but they simply have no choice. They are now in the position of HAVING to respond to the ZSU, and THAT changes the entire nature of the game. There are simply too many threats. Russian can only respond at this point, and Russia is only now understanding how capable the ZSU is, and that this attack apparently does not even have any of the new Brigades involved. The ZSU is attacking with units pulled off the eastern front - and in being forced to respond, Russian now faces credible threats all along the line. not least of which would be Kherson and a Ukrainian move across the Dnipro and on to Crimea and Mariupol, collapsing the entire southern flank.

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And today, finally, Russian reinforcements began to reach the combat zone in Kursk Oblast. Those known so far:

- 2 VDV battalions (from the strategic reserve)
- 79th Motor-Rifle Regiment, 272nd Motor-Rifle Regiment, and the 138th Motor-Rifle Brigade (all pulled out from the northern Kharkiv sector)
- 15th Motor-Rifle Brigade and 1 Motor-Rifle Regiment from Belgorod Oblast (due to the latest developments, these might have to return to where they started from)
- 810th Naval Infantry Brigade (from the Avdiivka-Pokrovsk sector)
- 38th Motor-Rifle Brigade and 64th Motor-Rifle Brigade.

More must be expected to follow…

Except for the two VDV battalions, these units were reserves from Groups Tsentr and Yug. However, none of these units are ‘fresh’: all have been heavily involved in months-long attacks on the Ukrainian defense lines. All have been ‘re-configured’ for this role: see, their tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and armored personnel carriers have largely been converted to ‘turtle tanks’. Their troops are tired and malnourished, many haven’t taken a shower for weeks (this is one of the major complaints from ZSU troops in the Kursk zone: the Russian POWs ‘stink’, literally… or at least one can smell them from 7-10 meters away) - and they lack training in mobile warfare. And there's nowhere near enough of them to stop the ZSU

Gerasimov will have to bring up much more, and then, literally, ‘line them up’ to create a coherent frontline.

He can do that: the Russian Army is big enough and all it will cost is time, money, fuel, troops, construction- and other equipment, plus lots of ammunition - all of which Gerasimov would’ve preferred to use inside Ukraine. Mind you, factor in that the Russian sectors of the front that have been weakened by pulling units have already began losing ground (in northern Kharkiv), and sectors such as Bakhmut-, Toretsk- or the Avdiivka-Pokrovsk sector where Russians have been attacking now can’t count on reinforcements and replacements as originally planned and things don't look so good for the Russians.

Now… what are these Russian reinforcements sent to Kursk doing? Or, better question, what is the ZSU doing to them?

The 15th Motor-Rifle lost one battalion to that HIMARS or GLMRS strike on its column in Oktybarskoe, back on the evening of 7 August. The rest of that unit then seems to have done well in losing Olgovka, and might be in the process of losing Vetreno too (we’re going to know in the evening or tomorrow, I guess).

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The 15th Motor-Rifle lost one battalion - approx 500 men. Video and photos show the trucks filled with bodies.....

The 128th Motor-Rifle followed in the wake of the 15th Motor-Rifle, from Kursk along the E38, then turned south - only to, reportedly, get hit by a HIMARS or GLMRS strike, somewhere between Emmanuilovka and Ljubimovka. What was left of the unit was then rushed on to Bolshoe Soldatskoe…

The 810th Naval Infantry seems to have followed the two above-mentioned units, and been deployed in form of three battalion-sized task forces. One went to Korenov and seems to be well on the way to losing this town.

The other part of the 810th went to Lgov, and then south, past Kromskie Byki: reportedly scattered a ‘group of 30 Ukrainian militants’ with 5 tanks, 2 Bradleys, and few MRAPs. The third part of the 810th claimed to have liberated Martynovka, yesterday.

NASA’s FIRMS-system seems to be confirming most of the Russian reports about places where their troops are either getting hit by Ukrainian long-range weapons, or are clashing with ZSU units. Notable are HIMARS/GLMRS (or ATACMS?) strikes deep into the Russian rear, well to the north of the E38 highway.

South of Sudzha, the Russians still holding out in Makhnovka were (un)pleasantly surprised when the ZSU crossed the border and hit them from the west, securing Guevo, crossing the Psel River, securing Plekhovo, and then attacking Borki. If this Ukrainian advance crosses the Psel River further east again, too…. yup, that’s going to be ‘another Izyum’ for the Russians.

What else is going on….?

The ZSU’s HIMARS/GLMRS or SBU’s UAVs have hit the Kursk Vostochny Air base: home-base of the 14th Fighter Aviation Regiment and the 332nd Helicopter Aviation Regiment. Both units will have to find a new base now. Another such strike hit a forward base north of Kursk, at which the (tattered remnants of the) 155th Naval Infantry Brigade were in the process of being reorganized after their arrival in this area. Russian rescue services are still collecting the pieces. AND the ZSU hit one of the forward bases of the Aid Group of the Akhmat. Probably to remind them why they ran away from Sudzha, back on 6 August…

Last night, multiple facilities in Kursk were hit by dozens of Ukrainian UAVs.
 
Soldiers of 170th Logistics Regiment of the Air Assault Forces recovering a Stryker armored personnel carrier, which was damaged during the operation in Kursk Oblast, Russia.

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And today, finally, Russian reinforcements began to reach the combat zone in Kursk Oblast. Those known so far:

- 2 VDV battalions (from the strategic reserve)
- 79th Motor-Rifle Regiment, 272nd Motor-Rifle Regiment, and the 138th Motor-Rifle Brigade (all pulled out from the northern Kharkiv sector)
- 15th Motor-Rifle Brigade and 1 Motor-Rifle Regiment from Belgorod Oblast (due to the latest developments, these might have to return to where they started from)
- 810th Naval Infantry Brigade (from the Avdiivka-Pokrovsk sector)
- 38th Motor-Rifle Brigade and 64th Motor-Rifle Brigade.

More must be expected to follow…

Except for the two VDV battalions, these units were reserves from Groups Tsentr and Yug. However, none of these units are ‘fresh’: all have been heavily involved in months-long attacks on the Ukrainian defense lines. All have been ‘re-configured’ for this role: see, their tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and armored personnel carriers have largely been converted to ‘turtle tanks’. Their troops are tired and malnourished, many haven’t taken a shower for weeks (this is one of the major complaints from ZSU troops in the Kursk zone: the Russian POWs ‘stink’, literally… or at least one can smell them from 7-10 meters away) - and they lack training in mobile warfare. And there's nowhere near enough of them to stop the ZSU

Gerasimov will have to bring up much more, and then, literally, ‘line them up’ to create a coherent frontline.

He can do that: the Russian Army is big enough and all it will cost is time, money, fuel, troops, construction- and other equipment, plus lots of ammunition - all of which Gerasimov would’ve preferred to use inside Ukraine. Mind you, factor in that the Russian sectors of the front that have been weakened by pulling units have already began losing ground (in northern Kharkiv), and sectors such as Bakhmut-, Toretsk- or the Avdiivka-Pokrovsk sector where Russians have been attacking now can’t count on reinforcements and replacements as originally planned and things don't look so good for the Russians.

Now… what are these Russian reinforcements sent to Kursk doing? Or, better question, what is the ZSU doing to them?

The 15th Motor-Rifle lost one battalion to that HIMARS or GLMRS strike on its column in Oktybarskoe, back on the evening of 7 August. The rest of that unit then seems to have done well in losing Olgovka, and might be in the process of losing Vetreno too (we’re going to know in the evening or tomorrow, I guess).

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The 15th Motor-Rifle lost one battalion - approx 500 men. Video and photos show the trucks filled with bodies.....

The 128th Motor-Rifle followed in the wake of the 15th Motor-Rifle, from Kursk along the E38, then turned south - only to, reportedly, get hit by a HIMARS or GLMRS strike, somewhere between Emmanuilovka and Ljubimovka. What was left of the unit was then rushed on to Bolshoe Soldatskoe…

The 810th Naval Infantry seems to have followed the two above-mentioned units, and been deployed in form of three battalion-sized task forces. One went to Korenov and seems to be well on the way to losing this town.

The other part of the 810th went to Lgov, and then south, past Kromskie Byki: reportedly scattered a ‘group of 30 Ukrainian militants’ with 5 tanks, 2 Bradleys, and few MRAPs. The third part of the 810th claimed to have liberated Martynovka, yesterday.

NASA’s FIRMS-system seems to be confirming most of the Russian reports about places where their troops are either getting hit by Ukrainian long-range weapons, or are clashing with ZSU units. Notable are HIMARS/GLMRS (or ATACMS?) strikes deep into the Russian rear, well to the north of the E38 highway.

South of Sudzha, the Russians still holding out in Makhnovka were (un)pleasantly surprised when the ZSU crossed the border and hit them from the west, securing Guevo, crossing the Psel River, securing Plekhovo, and then attacking Borki. If this Ukrainian advance crosses the Psel River further east again, too…. yup, that’s going to be ‘another Izyum’ for the Russians.

What else is going on….?

The ZSU’s HIMARS/GLMRS or SBU’s UAVs have hit the Kursk Vostochny Air base: home-base of the 14th Fighter Aviation Regiment and the 332nd Helicopter Aviation Regiment. Both units will have to find a new base now. Another such strike hit a forward base north of Kursk, at which the (tattered remnants of the) 155th Naval Infantry Brigade were in the process of being reorganized after their arrival in this area. Russian rescue services are still collecting the pieces. AND the ZSU hit one of the forward bases of the Aid Group of the Akhmat. Probably to remind them why they ran away from Sudzha, back on 6 August…

Last night, multiple facilities in Kursk were hit by dozens of Ukrainian UAVs.
More copy pasta breaking forum rules
 
Ukrainian Armor Delivers a Batch of Novator-2 Armored Vehicles with EW Systems to the Ukrainian National Guard. This equipment comes with electronic warfare systems, and a video report about these vehicles was also recently published by Ukrinform. "The National Guard tasked us with quickly and efficiently equipping our armored vehicles with electronic warfare systems designed to detect and neutralize radio-controlled explosive devices, such as FPV drones and small ground drones," Mykola Kuzma, Deputy General Director for Development at Ukrainian Armor LLC noted.

"Ukrainian Armor constantly works on improving our equipment. We gather analytics from various government contractors and users, and we take this into account while working on enhancements. The development process is continuous," Kuzma said. The system in question is the AD KRAKEN COUNTER FPV F3 M50. The armored vehicle manufacturer also stated that, in addition to the National Guard, the Novator-2 has attracted interest from other security agencies.

The Novator, a 10-seater wheeled armored personnel carrier, also comes in a version equipped with a TAVRIA-14.5 — a remote controlled weapon station of domestic manufacture, fitted for the KPVT 14.5mm machine gun. Integration of a new weapon system provides the multirole vehicle with the following capabilities: the TAVRIA-14.5 magazine carries 200 rounds, and its fire control system can lock on and automatically track enemy targets to enable effective shooting even while on the move. The weapon's electro-optical sighting system can detect targets day and night at a distance exceeding 5 km, as detailed in a notice from the company. The weapon station itself is armored according to NATO standards, referring most likely to STANAG 4569 Level 1 which essentially protects the turret, including its sensitive electronics, from being incapacitated by ordinary rifle fire.

"The use of high-speed maneuverable armored cars equipped with remote-controlled weapon stations not only provides additional capabilities to fight at a distance but also saves the lives of the soldiers," Ukrainian Armor notes. Now, let's highlight a few interesting details. Firstly, this is an innovative combat unit: there is no other publicly known vehicle armed with the TAVRIA-14.5 station and even about the weapon itself. Furthermore, the choice of a 14.5mm gun is a step above the originally planned specifications because in December 2023, Ukrainian Armor announced upcoming tests with its modernized Novator but the armament mentioned was weapon systems integrated with 12.7mm machine guns. That, in turn, means that the specifications of the vehicle outperformed the expectations which prompted the manufacturer to consider a more powerful weapon. The armored car's crew capacity was also increased from eight to 10 personnel, it also got an upgraded suspension and better mine protection. Real combat experience of the Ukrainian Defense Forces contributed to the development of this upgrade.

The Novator has a maximum road speed of 140 km/h and an operational range of up to 700 km. It is based on the chassis of the Ford F-550.

“Ukrainian Armored Vehicles" is just one company within the Ukrainian Defence Industry which has expanded rapidly to meet the demands of the military. In this case, UAV builds a small range of armored vehicles, has been incorporating design changes and modifications rapidly based on feedback from the Ukrainian military, and has also expanded production. UAV also produces the Kamrat IFV as well as 120mm mortars and a range of ammunition. Just one small example of how the Ukrainian Defense industry is working furiously to support the Ukraine military in re-equipping to meet the demands of the ongoing war with Russia.

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A bit of a long reply in the posts above, but the answer is, yes. Just by being there they already have, and as more arrive the impact will be larger. Part of this too is integrating F16's and associated tactics into the Ukrainian Airforce's network and procedures. They have trained a lot with I think it was California National Guard F16 squadron(s) before the war, but institutional change and updating procedures and the mindset that goes with these is a lengthy task that does not take place overnight.
Respectfully, I disagree. At present, there are only 6 trained pilots. There isn't much in that article concerning ground maintenance, support systems, spare parts pipelines, and training. It takes a lot of ground support to fly and maintain the F-16. These aircraft are not coming from the USA, they are coming from European countries, like Denmark, Belgium, and the Netherlands. They are older aircraft near the end of their service lives. I think its impact will be minimal at this stage.

Something nobody mentions in the context of providing F-16s to Ukraine is Hydrazine, specifically in the form of H-70 (70% hydrazine and 30% water), It plays a critical role in the maintenance and operation of the F-16, due to its use in various systems. Hydrazine is highly toxic and flammable, and it requires careful handling and storage procedures. It requires special infrastructure and Ukrainian forces would need to be trained in the safe handling of hydrazine, and maintenance crews would need to be well-versed in its use within the aircraft's systems. The Emergency Power System on the F-16 cannot function without it. It's no longer used in current U.S. fighter aircraft.

Maintaining the flying status of an F-16 involves a coordinated effort from a significant number of aviation specialists, covering a wide range of technical and support roles to ensure the aircraft are ready for flight and mission-ready. A US Squadron requires hundreds of trained people to keep 18-20 aircraft in the air. Ukraine will need crew chiefs and maintenance crews with avionics technicians, structural technicians, and propulsion technicians, and a pipeline of hundreds of spare parts. I don't see such an organization stood up in war torn Ukraine in enough time to make a difference.

In regards to the comments about bringing down Russian glide bombs with the F-16, "so if two F-16s fire eight missiles for one hit, that’s a fair exchange."

An AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) typically costs between $400,000 and $600,000, The AIM-120D AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) generally costs around $1 million to $1.2 million per unit. The cost of a Russian glide bomb, like the KH-38 or KH-59, can vary widely based on the model and its capabilities. Estimates suggest these glide bombs typically cost between $100,000 and $500,000 each. So I have some concerns about the economic efficacy of such an exchange.

The biggest threat to the F-16s is going to be concealing their locations on the ground from persistent overhead surveillance and targeting systems. The other threat is being forced to fly at low altitudes to avoid being tracked and targeted by long-range systems like the S-400 and then being vulnerable to Russian short-range battlefield systems and trigger-happy friendly forces who might mistake you for an enemy aircraft. Another thing to consider is the terrain in Ukraine, much of it is flat and affords little cover for a maneuvering aircraft trying to avoid radar or line of sight detection.
 
Respectfully, I disagree. At present, there are only 6 trained pilots. There isn't much in that article concerning ground maintenance, support systems, spare parts pipelines, and training. It takes a lot of ground support to fly and maintain the F-16. These aircraft are not coming from the USA, they are coming from European countries, like Denmark, Belgium, and the Netherlands. They are older aircraft near the end of their service lives. I think its impact will be minimal at this stage.

Something nobody mentions in the context of providing F-16s to Ukraine is Hydrazine, specifically in the form of H-70 (70% hydrazine and 30% water), It plays a critical role in the maintenance and operation of the F-16, due to its use in various systems. Hydrazine is highly toxic and flammable, and it requires careful handling and storage procedures. It requires special infrastructure and Ukrainian forces would need to be trained in the safe handling of hydrazine, and maintenance crews would need to be well-versed in its use within the aircraft's systems. The Emergency Power System on the F-16 cannot function without it. It's no longer used in current U.S. fighter aircraft.

Maintaining the flying status of an F-16 involves a coordinated effort from a significant number of aviation specialists, covering a wide range of technical and support roles to ensure the aircraft are ready for flight and mission-ready. A US Squadron requires hundreds of trained people to keep 18-20 aircraft in the air. Ukraine will need crew chiefs and maintenance crews with avionics technicians, structural technicians, and propulsion technicians, and a pipeline of hundreds of spare parts. I don't see such an organization stood up in war torn Ukraine in enough time to make a difference.

In regards to the comments about bringing down Russian glide bombs with the F-16, "so if two F-16s fire eight missiles for one hit, that’s a fair exchange."

An AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) typically costs between $400,000 and $600,000, The AIM-120D AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) generally costs around $1 million to $1.2 million per unit. The cost of a Russian glide bomb, like the KH-38 or KH-59, can vary widely based on the model and its capabilities. Estimates suggest these glide bombs typically cost between $100,000 and $500,000 each. So I have some concerns about the economic efficacy of such an exchange.

The biggest threat to the F-16s is going to be concealing their locations on the ground from persistent overhead surveillance and targeting systems. The other threat is being forced to fly at low altitudes to avoid being tracked and targeted by long-range systems like the S-400 and then being vulnerable to Russian short-range battlefield systems and trigger-happy friendly forces who might mistake you for an enemy aircraft. Another thing to consider is the terrain in Ukraine, much of it is flat and affords little cover for a maneuvering aircraft trying to avoid radar or line of sight detection.
I would be more concerned about outrunning supply lines and Russia’s (Putin’s) use of tactical nukes.
 
I would be more concerned about outrunning supply lines and Russia’s (Putin’s) use of tactical nukes.
You never hear a word spoken about that supply pipeline because we all know this administration is just dying to get American contractors and NATO involved. I suspect they have already laid the groundwork for that to happen. I think as soon as those bases are discovered they will be targeted and destroyed. The Russians have already made it clear when they will use such weapons, when they determine that an "existential threat" exists.

That salient now projecting into Russian territory near Kursk created by Ukrainian forces could be the swan song of the Ukrainian effort this year. It seems ripe for envelopment and destruction. Just sayin'.
 
"Why we're might"? English not your first language?

Why it's a waste of time to debate MAGAs? Here's another Jordan Klepper Trump rally report.

 
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