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CharleyH

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Ok question 1: is this beginning sexy enough? If not - what do you think I need to add? I have fucking writers block!

Question 2: can I as story teller semi-lie to reader? Go from what I wanted to happen as protag, tell 'part' of the story, leave out details and then go back, tell the story- more expediantly but semi-repititiously again, with the violent details?

Question 3: Will the violence, in the end disturb the intitial turn on for the reader, once I work the initial awe of the sex act, out.

Question 4: does it matter, or will the violence just be a second turn on?

Question 5: If the violence is awesome, and yet dichotomy, disturbing for the protag, should I give a shit as storyteller?

Question 6: Is it possible to give the same reader a turn on with the beauty, and then doubly a turn on with the violence? Or are they 2 different readers?

I'm repeating myself I know. I have writers block - trying to work it out . . . HELP! Please.


1998

I’d almost forgotten I had this album by Everlast.

I’d almost forgotten why I bought it in the first place until I put it in the stereo and ‘What It’s Like’ played a flood of memory through every nerve in my body.

Her hair was all one length then. She was trying to grow it out. It was pulled tight behind her ear in a small dark ponytail.

My eyes moved up the leg of her jeans. Her pants fell low off her small hips. I watched her beautiful ass bend as she turned up the song then paused, and turned around to me.

Her hips fluidly slid to the rhythm, her feet paced across the floor, her jeans lifted with her steps, and folded across her pussy. My heart raced as the spaghetti straps feathered off her shoulders, as her shirt dipped up and down her trim navel, hiding and revealing as she rolled her hips, as her breasts sinuously drifted with the rhythm flowing from her shoulders. She closed her eyes and the music washed through her every muscle as she swayed toward me, as my eyes drifted to her breasts caressing the nipple rings that peered through the fabric on her tight blue tank.

I watched her wine soaked lips curl into a smile, she opened her eyes, danced her legs over mine, stretching her ass over my thighs, she wrapped her arms around me, kissing me, confessing she loved me.

I was still trembling.

*cut to an hour earlier - first time fisting scenario occurs*

Blah, blah blah . . .
 
CharleyH said:
Ok question 1: is this beginning sexy enough? If not - what do you think I need to add? I have fucking writers block!

Question 2: can I as story teller semi-lie to reader? Go from what I wanted to happen as protag, tell 'part' of the story, leave out details and then go back, tell the story- more expediantly but semi-repititiously again, with the violent details?

Question 3: Will the violence, in the end disturb the intitial turn on for the reader, once I work the initial awe of the sex act, out.

Question 4: does it matter, or will the violence just be a second turn on?

Question 5: If the violence is awesome, and yet dichotomy, disturbing for the protag, should I give a shit as storyteller?

Question 6: Is it possible to give the same reader a turn on with the beauty, and then doubly a turn on with the violence? Or are they 2 different readers?

I'm repeating myself I know. I have writers block - trying to work it out . . . HELP! Please.


1998

I’d almost forgotten I had this album by Everlast.

I’d almost forgotten why I bought it in the first place until I put it in the stereo and ‘What It’s Like’ played a flood of memory through every nerve in my body.

Her hair was all one length then. She was trying to grow it out. It was pulled tight behind her ear in a small dark ponytail.

My eyes moved up the leg of her jeans. Her pants fell low off her small hips. I watched her beautiful ass bend as she turned up the song then paused, and turned around to me.

Her hips fluidly slid to the rhythm, her feet paced across the floor, her jeans lifted with her steps, and folded across her pussy. My heart raced as the spaghetti straps feathered off her shoulders, as her shirt dipped up and down her trim navel, hiding and revealing as she rolled her hips, as her breasts sinuously drifted with the rhythm flowing from her shoulders. She closed her eyes and the music washed through her every muscle as she swayed toward me, as my eyes drifted to her breasts caressing the nipple rings that peered through the fabric on her tight blue tank.

I watched her wine soaked lips curl into a smile, she opened her eyes, danced her legs over mine, stretching her ass over my thighs, she wrapped her arms around me, kissing me, confessing she loved me.

I was still trembling.

*cut to an hour earlier - first time fisting scenario occurs*

Blah, blah blah . . .


Not sure I am a writer you admire, but I'll take a shot.

1: is this beginning sexy enough? If not - what do you think I need to add? I have fucking writers block!

It seems a very sexy start, you did a good job of desribing "her" in the story without resorting to the list method so many here detest. She sounds pretty yummy and I would read on to find out more about her.

2: can I as story teller semi-lie to reader? Go from what I wanted to happen as protag, tell 'part' of the story, leave out details and then go back, tell the story- more expediantly but semi-repititiously again, with the violent details?

You can't lie to the reader at all, in your story you are in a very real sense god. You are creating the wrold. Authors often mislead the reader, in fact most mysteris are built on it. If the story is good and engrossing the reader usually will enjoy being mislead as long as it isn't something that misleads them into an area of sexuality they aren't comfortable with.

Question 3: Will the violence, in the end disturb the intitial turn on for the reader, once I work the initial awe of the sex act, out.

Violence is seldom if ever sexy to many readers, to other's it is very much a turn on if done correctly. It all depends on the reader. While I think violence as part of the sex act would turn me off, if I had read the really good sexy part and was hooked on the characters I would probably read the rest if only to see how it turns out.

Question 4: does it matter, or will the violence just be a second turn on?

I think this again depends onthe reader and how violent you plan on gtting. without readng the whole thing it's very difficult to answer.

Question 5: If the violence is awesome, and yet dichotomy, disturbing for the protag, should I give a shit as storyteller?

You should always give a shit about how things affect your characters. That isn't to say you can't write them or anthing else as you choose, but you should always be aware of how they would feel.

Question 6: Is it possible to give the same reader a turn on with the beauty, and then doubly a turn on with the violence? Or are they 2 different readers?

It's very possible. Read some of the better S & M/B & D authors. They can loveingly describe a romantic scene and then tell later of a pretty extreme s & M session with the same two charactrs. enjoying rough sex does notpreclude enjoying tender sex by any means.


Hope this helps a little, without knowing the exact nature of the violence you plan and the characters better it's all pretty conjectural.

-Colly
 
I’ve always thought that a dancing scene is one of the hardest things to write without having the characters come off looking silly, but you pulled it off here, and I think it’s a good beginning.

Your other questions are just impossible to answer without knowing exactly what you’re talking about. I’ve read stories where different characters give different versions of an event, but I’m not sure if that’s what you mean by "lying" to the reader. Same with violence and all the rest. Again, it depends on the story and how you write it. Are you talking about passionate violence or about gatuitous bloodshed? It’s all too hypothetical at this point to really know what to say.

As for writer’s block, I take it that you mean you just don’t know where the story should go at this point, in which case I have to wonder why you’re immediately going to flashback. Why not let the characters play the scene out and see if they tell you anything about who they are or what they want to do. Sometimes characters will write their own stories.

---dr.M.
 
I agree with the good Doctor...

Without seeing the whole story any conjectures would simply be impossible to hypothesize without writing the story for you. And that's not really what you want here, is it. You want an end to your writer's block.

I don't think people realize that they produce their own writer's block. It comes from a sense of insecurity in our own work thus far. Is it good enough, why don't people rave about it, what am I doing wrong? The list is endless, substantial, and very very diverse. Including the biggie: "why do I write this crap?"

First off, let me answer that last question. You write because you can't not write. Secondly, you write what you do write because you know that best of all. It's when we try to reach outside of our own experiences, and knowledge that we start to get bogged down, and inevitably "Writer's Block," sets in for the first time. We call it writer's block because it's the best way to describe our sudden inability to write anything understandable for more than 30 seconds at a time. How to get past this block could fill a library with novels. One way is to go and write about some other subject, and this often works. But there is a way that will work every time. I guarantee it.

It's called research. Real research gets your mind involved in the subject that you wish to write about better than anything else could. A day, or even just part of a day spent in the library reading articles about the subject that you want to write about eases the tension of unease that came about by not knowing exactly what the subject we wanted to write about entailed. Reading these articles insights touches all of our own weaknesses, and strengths hitting that button we call inspiration. Quite often words will leap to the forefront of our creativity during the research process. It is then that one needs to check out the books and magazines littered about them, and return home to continue writing our story. Research stirs up our innate empathy, and without empathy we wouldn't be able to write about anything, even those things that we know about. The brain doesn't like things to be unfinished. And if we get bogged down now we have the research material with us to continue inspiring us until we finish that story. You don't have to believe me, just give it a try. Oh, and by the way, the trip to the library, instead of getting the information off of the Internet is very much needed. For the change in atmosphere, being surrounded by all of those books, helps build a shield against the writer's block you acquired at home in the first place.

I don't normally tell people about this because I figure that if they are serious about their writing they will have already done the obvious, but since joining AH I have found that what is obvious to the professional writer isn't always obvious to those just getting started on their writing career, or those who have never submitted their work for publication yet.

To write good fiction, you must seek out real life first to imitate it properly. And articles in magazines, and non-fiction stimulate the creative centers of the brain, and make your fiction ring with the truth from your point of view. And this approach works every time that so called "Writer's Block," sets in.

As Always
I Am the
Dirt Man
 
dr_mabeuse said:
I’ve always thought that a dancing scene is one of the hardest things to write without having the characters come off looking silly, but you pulled it off here, and I think it’s a good beginning.

Your other questions are just impossible to answer without knowing exactly what you’re talking about. I’ve read stories where different characters give different versions of an event, but I’m not sure if that’s what you mean by "lying" to the reader. Same with violence and all the rest. Again, it depends on the story and how you write it. Are you talking about passionate violence or about gatuitous bloodshed? It’s all too hypothetical at this point to really know what to say.

As for writer’s block, I take it that you mean you just don’t know where the story should go at this point, in which case I have to wonder why you’re immediately going to flashback. Why not let the characters play the scene out and see if they tell you anything about who they are or what they want to do. Sometimes characters will write their own stories.

---dr.M.

Thanks good Dr. I appreciate. It is a scenario I will send to you as admired editor, if you choose. Not SM, but more verging on that line between SM and abuse.

Should you choose - thank you. Courtsey . . . never frigging do that!! I bow ever so slightly. Jesus - that's not quite right either. Thank you. :)
 
Re: I agree with the good Doctor...

Dirt Man said:
I don't think people realize that they produce their own writer's block. It comes from a sense of insecurity in our own work thus far. Is it good enough, why don't people rave about it, what am I doing wrong? The list is endless, substantial, and very very diverse. Including the biggie: "why do I write this crap?"

First off, let me answer that last question. You write because you can't not write. Secondly, you write what you do write because you know that best of all. It's when we try to reach outside of our own experiences, and knowledge that we start to get bogged down, and inevitably "Writer's Block," sets in for the first time. We call it writer's block because it's the best way to describe our sudden inability to write anything understandable for more than 30 seconds at a time. How to get past this block could fill a library with novels. One way is to go and write about some other subject, and this often works. But there is a way that will work every time. I guarantee it.

It's called research. Real research gets your mind involved in the subject that you wish to write about better than anything else could. A day, or even just part of a day spent in the library reading articles about the subject that you want to write about eases the tension of unease that came about by not knowing exactly what the subject we wanted to write about entailed. Reading these articles insights touches all of our own weaknesses, and strengths hitting that button we call inspiration. Quite often words will leap to the forefront of our creativity during the research process. It is then that one needs to check out the books and magazines littered about them, and return home to continue writing our story. Research stirs up our innate empathy, and without empathy we wouldn't be able to write about anything, even those things that we know about. The brain doesn't like things to be unfinished. And if we get bogged down now we have the research material with us to continue inspiring us until we finish that story. You don't have to believe me, just give it a try. Oh, and by the way, the trip to the library, instead of getting the information off of the Internet is very much needed. For the change in atmosphere, being surrounded by all of those books, helps build a shield against the writer's block you acquired at home in the first place.

I don't normally tell people about this because I figure that if they are serious about their writing they will have already done the obvious, but since joining AH I have found that what is obvious to the professional writer isn't always obvious to those just getting started on their writing career, or those who have never submitted their work for publication yet.

To write good fiction, you must seek out real life first to imitate it properly. And articles in magazines, and non-fiction stimulate the creative centers of the brain, and make your fiction ring with the truth from your point of view. And this approach works every time that so called "Writer's Block," sets in.

As Always
I Am the
Dirt Man

DM, always appreciate you answers. Writer's block comes/ cums? for me because I have way too many things/stories on my mind. I constantly think about the next symbol, and this is just something I came up with out of a question someone asked. I appreciate your sentiment. It is much more real than fantasy, so no research need be involved - which is what I write, and block = emotion. I'm more emotionally blocked. SHIT! I need a psychotherapist! DAMN- I'm my own. Damn - I'm vain! Nonetheless thank you . . . I think from Colly, Dr. M, and you - kiss- I have it worked out. Will send the three of you something for a more thorough 'pick' apart.
 
oh ps colly, in answer to your question . . . .
 
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