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So okay, I said I wasn't going to indulge the circus, but fine - here goes.
When Bob and I first ever started talking, I knew he had alts. Just about all of them were for humour only, and the one he DID have for flaming wasn't meant to be vicious. The whole thing truly started out when RT posted a thread about Bob and I, and then I found out from SimplySouthern that RT had also PMed her, saying he/she knew about SS's pregnancy (about which, at that point, she had told no one). I thought that was low as hell. I was one of the few she told about her pregnancy before it became public knowledge, and it sure as hell didn't come from me. I was convinced that RT was Nora, because of the thread RT started about Bob and I - it looked like an attack on us for flirting after Bob had broken it off with Eume, and because I'd seen her make some pretty bad comments regarding he and his kids, on Eume's behalf. Of course, it's been said repeatedly that my assumption was false. So be it.
I can't account for everything said in those chatlogs because I wasn't a part of all of them, at least not the ones where info was exchanged. As far as I know, I'm the one responsible for Bob and Desiqn ever chatting outside of Lit, because Desiqn and I were friends (and we were quite public about it as well before she took her long break from Lit, you can go back and check), and Desiqn wanted to make a conference room for us all to talk, hence how they swapped Yahoo names. I knew they would talk at times when I wasn't online - he showed me a lot of their discussions.
At that time, Bob and 'draaah were talking and I was told who the people behind RT supposedly were. I saw chatlogs, so I didn't see why it wouldn't be legit. Bob has never lied to me; I've never caught him in a lie, nothing I've ever told him about myself with the intention of keeping it strictly private has ever made it back around to me from anyone else. I wasn't really mad about RT starting the thread about Bob and I, but I WAS pissed that apparently, SimplySouthern's VERY private, sensitive info had managed to make it to that assclown's ears. So, we wanted to flush him out - it seemed like 'draaah had the same intention. Not a total 'outing', but a gradually forced self-incrimination. When I was told about who RT was, I didn't say a word to anyone. Desiqn pressed me; I told her I just flat out didn't know. She pressed Bob even harder, and he finally cracked and told her. That's when guileful popped up - and that's why I had my suspicions that Desiqn was guileful. By then, we knew that Nora wasn't RT (well, we knew based on the info we had from a supposedly reputable source). But guileful still trolled her, and a few other people that I publically didn't like (meaning, I never hid my dislike for them). It got annoying because people conseqentially began to think that guileful was me, and I wasn't.
That is the only info I ever had passed on to me. I was just as stumped as everyone else about guileful, though I had my suspicions. I DID, at one point, ask Desiqn if she was guileful, and she totally denied it. But unlike Bob, I never got a confirmation from her. She continued to lie to me about it - I had to find out through Bob. Even BEFORE I knew she was guileful, I never fed her anything. I didn't want the situation to just come to this huge head where messages could be crossed and people would get pissed. But did I know about it? Yeah, I knew that Bob and another person were marximus (and if you doubt, look at half of marximus's posts vs. the other half - different sentence structures, capitalisation, spelling, etc), I eventually found out that Desiqn was guileful, but I was barely interested in the entire thing, except from a detatched stance. The extent of my active involvement was making a few jabs at BB2 whenever he claimed "I don't have alts, I don't need them!", and basically fucking with DevilishTexan on a regular basis because I don't even like him anyway. I even went through all the chatlogs between myself and Desiqn, and myself and Bob, because I have the exact same ones (even though I could swear I saw something cut off at the end of one of the ones Desiqn posted). I didn't feed either of them any kind of info during this bullshit because I honestly had none. I was offered marximus' password a few times, but I wouldn't take it. Aside from Daphne Aguilera (yes, that was me), alts just aren't my thing, at least not where flaming is concerned. It's no fun when the people I don't like don't know that my insults are coming straight from me.
The spotlight threads became a way to deflect attention off of who marximus could be. But the problem with shared alts is that if you've got two people with two different grudges, one might say something under that alt that the other person does NOT agree with. However, I did think that, if marximus' identity ever came out, the spotlight threads would be a major cause of concern, since people that Bob actually LIKES were targets. He personally didn't see them as vicious, but his sense of humour IS just what you see in the Killa thread. Even good friends aren't safe from being teased by him - but most of them understand. It's something I particularly enjoy; I like flaming. But, the fact that it looked like a veiled attempt to underhandedly slam someone whilst smiling to their faces is undeniable. His sense of humour is what it is; while I don't always share it or completely understand it, I know that some of those spotlight threads were not made with any true malice at heart (for example, the one aimed at Rhys). Still, it's more than understandable that the targets don't see it as humourous. A lot of things Bob finds funny often piss others off. Which is funny for a target's enemies, but certainly not funny for the target himself. And I think such a point is important - it's all funny until it hits home with you. Neither of us take Lit very seriously at all, so I suppose the discrepancy exists between people who don't take it seriously, and those who do.
Basically, the shit-fan collision came about 1) when I got onto Desiqn for flat out blurting the information about RT, thereby getting 'draaah pissed at Bob, and 2) when I made the mistake of sticking to my opinion of enigmalone and his attitude, one she didn't agree with. Desiqn coming out with all this wasn't a matter of conscience. It was a matter of being pissed and needing something to use to get her digs in. It doesn't excuse anything else contained within the info Desiqn spilled, however. It doesn't make it okay. It was all one huge fuck-up, plain and simple.
The whole thing started out with the primary intent to scare people we believed were behind RegisteredTroll. RT had been a headache even long before this whole fiasco; I wanted to out the bastard(s). I personally thought it was a little more than ironic to use trolls to out a troll - but, that wasn't my decision to make. I never used any alts to accomplish that. Bob used one mainly to avoid anything coming back on 'draaah, and to create that ambiguity for the parties responsible for RegisteredTroll. It wasn't because Bob was afraid to "say what he really thought" about people under his real name - a lot of people who got caught up in it, he truly had nothing against. It doesn't make it any better, I know, but that was the whole reason behind all of it - getting RegisteredTroll out in the open. What we have now is a perfect example of the snowball effect.
Like I said, I'm sorry if anyone was unintentionally harmed by the whole thing, although I think the majority of people clamoring in on this whole thing are here by proxy. If you don't like me because I was involved with this, fine. If you have drawn conclusions on me because I don't like someone you're buddy-buddy with, fine. My apology is aimed at those who were directly hurt as a result of RegisteredTroll, of guileful, of marximus - even though I didn't even CONTROL them, I apologise. Perhaps it's a topic of interest for everyone to know who they can't trust - and hey, perhaps you can't. It's my opinion and always has been that people are going to think what they want, especially when they weren't there. I've definitely had my opinions on things in which my involvement was limited. Assumptions are often foolish to make unless you have all sides of the story, but we make them anyway, especially based upon who we know, who we trust or distrust, and who we like or dislike.
As for any accusations of cheating, that part of my life is vastly none of anyone's fucking business - but for those who must know, yes, I asked for a divorce awhile ago for various reasons, also none of anyone's business. It was after that that anything happened with Bob and myself. And no, he didn't leave Eume for me. It's often amusing to watch people make assumptions, but the outlandishly unfounded shit you people can come up with sometimes rivals Grimm.
For my part in it all, whatever it may have been, I apologise to anyone who felt they were wronged or mislead. As for your opinions on Bob - I've had a very longstanding friendship with him and never once did I feel like he had mislead me. I've heard everything possible regarding, well, ANYTHING in his life, whether Lit-related or not. From my perspective, everything he's ever told me has been rational, logical, and he can even back it up with proof. I know him better than I know 95% of any of you. What's more, I thought I knew Desiqn very well. But it's funny - she's the one who ended up surprising me. Hell, I could post a few private tidbits from PMs, IMs (the parts you didn't see), and things she's told me all over the board - but I'm not going to. Regardless of the public consensus now, I personally do not use personal info in that way, to harm people. Not EVEN if I may feel that, at this juncture, she'd be more than deserving of it.
Regardless of what you think of Bob, yes, I do stand by him. As always, my opinions are sticking until I personally have reason to think otherwise. And if it's between people I hardly know in any personal manner, and someone with whom I've been friends for a long time and who has never betrayed my confidence, then I'm afraid I must go with the latter. I had gotten to know him long before a lot of people with an opinion on him even had much to do with him, in much more constant and personal a respect. I'm aware that some people post here completely as themselves; others come here to voice opinions or act in ways that they feel they couldn't or wouldn't in real life. Lit has always been entertainment for me, even if I accumulated a few friends along the way. If it's something different to anyone else, fine. But that's the first and primary reason I ever came here - a way to kill time.
I haven't formally decided if I'm taking a break immediately or not. I'm surely not letting anyone run me off for good. Pick it apart as you like - but that's my end of it. If you want to comment, knock yourself out. I won't be back anytime soon to answer questions.
When Bob and I first ever started talking, I knew he had alts. Just about all of them were for humour only, and the one he DID have for flaming wasn't meant to be vicious. The whole thing truly started out when RT posted a thread about Bob and I, and then I found out from SimplySouthern that RT had also PMed her, saying he/she knew about SS's pregnancy (about which, at that point, she had told no one). I thought that was low as hell. I was one of the few she told about her pregnancy before it became public knowledge, and it sure as hell didn't come from me. I was convinced that RT was Nora, because of the thread RT started about Bob and I - it looked like an attack on us for flirting after Bob had broken it off with Eume, and because I'd seen her make some pretty bad comments regarding he and his kids, on Eume's behalf. Of course, it's been said repeatedly that my assumption was false. So be it.
I can't account for everything said in those chatlogs because I wasn't a part of all of them, at least not the ones where info was exchanged. As far as I know, I'm the one responsible for Bob and Desiqn ever chatting outside of Lit, because Desiqn and I were friends (and we were quite public about it as well before she took her long break from Lit, you can go back and check), and Desiqn wanted to make a conference room for us all to talk, hence how they swapped Yahoo names. I knew they would talk at times when I wasn't online - he showed me a lot of their discussions.
At that time, Bob and 'draaah were talking and I was told who the people behind RT supposedly were. I saw chatlogs, so I didn't see why it wouldn't be legit. Bob has never lied to me; I've never caught him in a lie, nothing I've ever told him about myself with the intention of keeping it strictly private has ever made it back around to me from anyone else. I wasn't really mad about RT starting the thread about Bob and I, but I WAS pissed that apparently, SimplySouthern's VERY private, sensitive info had managed to make it to that assclown's ears. So, we wanted to flush him out - it seemed like 'draaah had the same intention. Not a total 'outing', but a gradually forced self-incrimination. When I was told about who RT was, I didn't say a word to anyone. Desiqn pressed me; I told her I just flat out didn't know. She pressed Bob even harder, and he finally cracked and told her. That's when guileful popped up - and that's why I had my suspicions that Desiqn was guileful. By then, we knew that Nora wasn't RT (well, we knew based on the info we had from a supposedly reputable source). But guileful still trolled her, and a few other people that I publically didn't like (meaning, I never hid my dislike for them). It got annoying because people conseqentially began to think that guileful was me, and I wasn't.
That is the only info I ever had passed on to me. I was just as stumped as everyone else about guileful, though I had my suspicions. I DID, at one point, ask Desiqn if she was guileful, and she totally denied it. But unlike Bob, I never got a confirmation from her. She continued to lie to me about it - I had to find out through Bob. Even BEFORE I knew she was guileful, I never fed her anything. I didn't want the situation to just come to this huge head where messages could be crossed and people would get pissed. But did I know about it? Yeah, I knew that Bob and another person were marximus (and if you doubt, look at half of marximus's posts vs. the other half - different sentence structures, capitalisation, spelling, etc), I eventually found out that Desiqn was guileful, but I was barely interested in the entire thing, except from a detatched stance. The extent of my active involvement was making a few jabs at BB2 whenever he claimed "I don't have alts, I don't need them!", and basically fucking with DevilishTexan on a regular basis because I don't even like him anyway. I even went through all the chatlogs between myself and Desiqn, and myself and Bob, because I have the exact same ones (even though I could swear I saw something cut off at the end of one of the ones Desiqn posted). I didn't feed either of them any kind of info during this bullshit because I honestly had none. I was offered marximus' password a few times, but I wouldn't take it. Aside from Daphne Aguilera (yes, that was me), alts just aren't my thing, at least not where flaming is concerned. It's no fun when the people I don't like don't know that my insults are coming straight from me.
The spotlight threads became a way to deflect attention off of who marximus could be. But the problem with shared alts is that if you've got two people with two different grudges, one might say something under that alt that the other person does NOT agree with. However, I did think that, if marximus' identity ever came out, the spotlight threads would be a major cause of concern, since people that Bob actually LIKES were targets. He personally didn't see them as vicious, but his sense of humour IS just what you see in the Killa thread. Even good friends aren't safe from being teased by him - but most of them understand. It's something I particularly enjoy; I like flaming. But, the fact that it looked like a veiled attempt to underhandedly slam someone whilst smiling to their faces is undeniable. His sense of humour is what it is; while I don't always share it or completely understand it, I know that some of those spotlight threads were not made with any true malice at heart (for example, the one aimed at Rhys). Still, it's more than understandable that the targets don't see it as humourous. A lot of things Bob finds funny often piss others off. Which is funny for a target's enemies, but certainly not funny for the target himself. And I think such a point is important - it's all funny until it hits home with you. Neither of us take Lit very seriously at all, so I suppose the discrepancy exists between people who don't take it seriously, and those who do.
Basically, the shit-fan collision came about 1) when I got onto Desiqn for flat out blurting the information about RT, thereby getting 'draaah pissed at Bob, and 2) when I made the mistake of sticking to my opinion of enigmalone and his attitude, one she didn't agree with. Desiqn coming out with all this wasn't a matter of conscience. It was a matter of being pissed and needing something to use to get her digs in. It doesn't excuse anything else contained within the info Desiqn spilled, however. It doesn't make it okay. It was all one huge fuck-up, plain and simple.
The whole thing started out with the primary intent to scare people we believed were behind RegisteredTroll. RT had been a headache even long before this whole fiasco; I wanted to out the bastard(s). I personally thought it was a little more than ironic to use trolls to out a troll - but, that wasn't my decision to make. I never used any alts to accomplish that. Bob used one mainly to avoid anything coming back on 'draaah, and to create that ambiguity for the parties responsible for RegisteredTroll. It wasn't because Bob was afraid to "say what he really thought" about people under his real name - a lot of people who got caught up in it, he truly had nothing against. It doesn't make it any better, I know, but that was the whole reason behind all of it - getting RegisteredTroll out in the open. What we have now is a perfect example of the snowball effect.
Like I said, I'm sorry if anyone was unintentionally harmed by the whole thing, although I think the majority of people clamoring in on this whole thing are here by proxy. If you don't like me because I was involved with this, fine. If you have drawn conclusions on me because I don't like someone you're buddy-buddy with, fine. My apology is aimed at those who were directly hurt as a result of RegisteredTroll, of guileful, of marximus - even though I didn't even CONTROL them, I apologise. Perhaps it's a topic of interest for everyone to know who they can't trust - and hey, perhaps you can't. It's my opinion and always has been that people are going to think what they want, especially when they weren't there. I've definitely had my opinions on things in which my involvement was limited. Assumptions are often foolish to make unless you have all sides of the story, but we make them anyway, especially based upon who we know, who we trust or distrust, and who we like or dislike.
As for any accusations of cheating, that part of my life is vastly none of anyone's fucking business - but for those who must know, yes, I asked for a divorce awhile ago for various reasons, also none of anyone's business. It was after that that anything happened with Bob and myself. And no, he didn't leave Eume for me. It's often amusing to watch people make assumptions, but the outlandishly unfounded shit you people can come up with sometimes rivals Grimm.
For my part in it all, whatever it may have been, I apologise to anyone who felt they were wronged or mislead. As for your opinions on Bob - I've had a very longstanding friendship with him and never once did I feel like he had mislead me. I've heard everything possible regarding, well, ANYTHING in his life, whether Lit-related or not. From my perspective, everything he's ever told me has been rational, logical, and he can even back it up with proof. I know him better than I know 95% of any of you. What's more, I thought I knew Desiqn very well. But it's funny - she's the one who ended up surprising me. Hell, I could post a few private tidbits from PMs, IMs (the parts you didn't see), and things she's told me all over the board - but I'm not going to. Regardless of the public consensus now, I personally do not use personal info in that way, to harm people. Not EVEN if I may feel that, at this juncture, she'd be more than deserving of it.
Regardless of what you think of Bob, yes, I do stand by him. As always, my opinions are sticking until I personally have reason to think otherwise. And if it's between people I hardly know in any personal manner, and someone with whom I've been friends for a long time and who has never betrayed my confidence, then I'm afraid I must go with the latter. I had gotten to know him long before a lot of people with an opinion on him even had much to do with him, in much more constant and personal a respect. I'm aware that some people post here completely as themselves; others come here to voice opinions or act in ways that they feel they couldn't or wouldn't in real life. Lit has always been entertainment for me, even if I accumulated a few friends along the way. If it's something different to anyone else, fine. But that's the first and primary reason I ever came here - a way to kill time.
I haven't formally decided if I'm taking a break immediately or not. I'm surely not letting anyone run me off for good. Pick it apart as you like - but that's my end of it. If you want to comment, knock yourself out. I won't be back anytime soon to answer questions.
