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Finally a serious question about 2nd Ammendmet

badbabysitter said:
well, from me at least

I'm a Canadian, we dont have the 2nd Ammendment

I'm curious as to why it is a right to carry a weapon

Personally I see firearm possesion as a privilege then a right, and so does my country

so why is it a right in the states.. what is it about carrying a gun that gives itself the societal equivalent to free speech

just curious
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No, they're equivalent.

Every human being has the right to speak, and the right to be armed.
 
Byron In Exile said:
No, they're equivalent.

Every human being has the right to speak, and the right to be armed.
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But even our right to speak is regulated


you cant run up to the President and yell at him" I'm going to kill you"

that's uttering threats... but it is just words
 
badbabysitter said:
But even our right to speak is regulated

you cant run up to the President and yell at him" I'm going to kill you"

that's uttering threats... but it is just words
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Well, that's... true. During the Bush years that was made a crime.

When Kennedy was shot, it was just a common murder.
 
badbabysitter said:
well, from me at least

I'm a Canadian, we dont have the 2nd Ammendment

I'm curious as to why it is a right to carry a weapon

Personally I see firearm possesion as a privilege then a right, and so does my country

so why is it a right in the states.. what is it about carrying a gun that gives itself the societal equivalent to free speech

just curious
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Straight answer, we are a country born of miscreant shit's who love a good fight and stand proudly with our fingers in the air at authority.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YWEkXFT58oQ/T74nGQvMS2I/AAAAAAAAO7Y/NkZe0JUXogU/s1600/middle+finger+to+tyranny.jpg

(southern version)
http://witwisdom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/jesus-giving-the-finger.jpg
It is completely pervasive in our culture, our laws included. We even fought a civil war over "Some asshole up north thinks they can tell us how to live!! well fuck that, come and make me bitch!" and they did, cost was pretty steep though.

It's just who we are as Americans, shit the first thing anyone on earth thinks of when they hear the word "Texas" is either a horse or a gun. Hell a good portion of us like bucking authority just for the sake of doing so.
 
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^^^^^ I'm not hearing that we are particularly intelligent just that we're happy how we are.
 
badbabysitter said:
give us your opinion or GTFO
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In my opinion, you know sweet fuck all about the American system of Government (that is, you are stupid)....or you are high on weed and think you're the "master troller" from Vankewver being all clever in playing stupid.

Understanding the 2nd Amendment and how it came to be in the first place is something most Canadians learn in school round about Grades 7-10.

Of course, not everyone "learns" in school, and certainly some learn more than others.

Clearly, you are one of those at the lower end of the scale.

Those are the people the rest of us refer to as "stupid".

So, whether it's all-natural or you have to work at it...yes, you are a dummy.

Please stick to flashing your tits.
 
Lancecastor said:
In my opinion, you know sweet fuck all about the American system of Government (that is, you are stupid)....or you are high on weed and think you're the "master troller" from Vankewver being all clever in playing stupid.

Understanding the 2nd Amendment and how it came to be in the first place is something most Canadians learn in school round about Grades 7-10.

Of course, not everyone "learns" in school, and certainly some learn more than others.

Clearly, you are one of those at the lower end of the scale.

Those are the people the rest of us refer to as "stupid".

So, whether it's all-natural or you have to work at it...yes, you are a dummy.

Please stick to flashing your tits.
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you're a fucking genius...

Canada doesnt have a 2nd Ammendment.. thsuly, we don't learn about it.. we learn that the US has it, and what it is

at no point are we told why it is a right... just that it is


we are given the history for it, and the justification for it


that doesnt mean we are told why it is a right


why are you physically incapable of grasping that conceit... which is the entire basis of this thread


I even said so, in the first fucking post

just how fucking stupid are you?


show us your cock, or GTFO
 
Lancecastor said:
Agreed, I have genius-level fucking skills.

I'm also quite bright, especially compared to you.

I can even spell "amendment" correctly.
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Your genius skills dont seem to extend to understanding what the thread is about



tell me why it is a right, and not just the history of it... or GTFO
 
badbabysitter said:
yet the government interfers with whom can marry whom

or is marriage not a right and gun ownership is?
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This is actually a wonderful illustration of WHY the Constitution and Bill of Rights are so valuable and relevant. I'm not going to go check, but to the best of my knowledge the Constitution is silent on the issue of marriage and thus no explicit restrictions or protections are offered. However, it is also true that 10th amendment guarantees all powers not explicitly granted to the Federal government are reserved to the States or people. Marriage law would thus firmly fall under this amendment, which is why many argue the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional. I am inclined to agree with this view, and feel that the current practice of ratifying gay marriage state by state is the proper course.

However, where I personally differ on this particular issue is that I don't believe "gay marriage" or "civil unions" should be a thing. There should just be marriage. First and foremost, marriage is a legal contract independent of whatever religious trappings are attached to it. The handy Wikipedia definition of a contract is as follows: "A contract is an agreement entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between or among them. The elements of a contract are offer and acceptance by competent persons having legal capacity who exchange consideration to create mutuality of obligation, and, in some circumstances, do so in writing."

Any two consenting, competent adults can enter into a legally binding contract providing the contract does not establish an obligation that violates some existing law (a contract that constitutes fraud, for instance, is not legally binding). I feel that this SHOULD be the long and short of it. The gender of the two parties should be utterly irrelevant. The entire issue is unnecessarily muddy. Legally and socially, it should be a non-issue. I feel it is a travesty and a violation of basic human dignity that any should seek to prevent such a thing in the United States.
 
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