Fewer Remembering?

[sr71plt]

Today wasn't just the U.S. Thanksgiving; it also was the 49th anniversary of the John F. Kennedy assassination. I don't think I've seen that mentioned anywhere yet today. Maybe people are beginning to forget. It's been one of those events that people have remembered what they were doing when they first heard of it. I was in high school biology class. We were sent home immediately.

 

[_Lynn_]

I don't remember what I was doing at that moment, but forty-nine years ago, I was only seven.

 

[sr71plt]

Makes sense. Before JFK's assassination, I think the "everyone remembers" date was Pearl Harbor, 7 December 1941. (My parents said they were in the middle of planning their spring wedding--which immediately became a December wedding because my dad was an Army officer and was ordered to base).

For those not around for JFK, I guess 9/11 has become the "everyone remembers" day. (I found out by turning on the TV for a morning news check just as an airplane hit the first tower. The crew putting up the fence in my back yard were down from NYC, and I had to go out and tell them they would want to check in with their families.)

 

[Euphony]

It was mentioned during both NFL games on today. Not that that is enough but it did get a nod on the biggest viewing programs of the day.

 

[annanova]

It was included in the, "On this day" section of headlines of local headlines today. Of course, if I had been able to spend the day with my mother, I know I would have heard about it. I'm not complaining - I actually enjoy hearing her perspectives on everything.

 

[sr71plt]

It was mentioned during both NFL games on today. Not that that is enough but it did get a nod on the biggest viewing programs of the day.

I hadn't thought about that. Since I was having a "surrounded by women" Thanksgiving Day, I couldn't turn the Redskins/Cowboys on until the third quarter--when the Redskins were beginning to try to blow a 22 point lead.

 

[nakdsub]

I even remember the first words...

I spoke after hearing the news.
It's been 49 years and we still don't know who did it...

 

[3113]

I saw it on quite a few other sites, mostly political ones. Lots of threads about it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I spoke after hearing the news.
It's been 49 years and we still don't know who did it...

Although nobody was ever convicted, it has been pretty well established the triggerman was Lee Harvey Oswald. There may or may not have been another shooter on the grassy knoll or elsewhere. I'm inclined to think there was not but, if there was a conspiracy, I'm sure it was not a high level one.

 

[MSTarot]

For those not around for JFK, I guess 9/11 has become the "everyone remembers" day.

I would have to say My first day I'll always remember would have to be when Challenger blew up. I wont forget 911 either but yea the shuttle exploding is always I think going to be that first big shock. That moment when I learned that things don't always go as planned.

 

[sr71plt]

I would have to say My first day I'll always remember would have to be when Challenger blew up. I wont forget 911 either but yea the shuttle exploding is always I think going to be that first big shock. That moment when I learned that things don't always go as planned.

Can't say I remember what I was doing at that moment--I may have been overseas and up to my eyeballs in my own dangers. And I couldn't give you a date. I can with the other events I mentioned. First thing I thought of when I woke up this morning was that this was the Kenneday assassination date--I thought of that before thinking that it was Thanksgiving Day.

So, it's probably how impressionable someone was at the particular time. I can remember where I was for the first step on the moon and probably could come up with a year if pressed, but not a date.

 

[TE999]

I distinctly remember where I was when JFK was shot. I was in my freshman year of college, in 'Contemporary Art and Design' class when somebody ran in and said the President's been shot. We all thought it was someone pulling a prank and told him to bug off, then the classroom phone rang, our teacher answered it and said it was true.

I think 2/3 of the students and faculty were jammed into the Student Center that day watching one of the three b/w TV's that were in there. You could have heard a pin drop. Classes were cancelled after that and I went home in time to watch Jack Ruby take Lee Harvey Oswald out on live TV. It was incredible.

I also watched the first moon landing live on TV. That was awe-inspiring.

 

[Tx Tall Tales]

It was mentioned during both NFL games on today. Not that that is enough but it did get a nod on the biggest viewing programs of the day.

I noticed the same. They actually talked it up quite a bit during one of the half-times, even showing the grassy knoll, the buildings and street, and talked about the fact that the NFL played their games the following weekend, while the AFL didn't.

 

[Handley_Page]

My first thought when the news of JFK's assasination was "That's gonna cause a lot of chaos."
But I don't see Oswald being the only gunman. After all, if some seriously large organisation (take your pick) wanted the President dead, surely it makes sense to have more than one shooter?

 

[mikey2much]

I had ditched school and was in a poolhall when it come over the radio

It was just after I had moved to Alabama from Wyoming. Everybody in the area where we had moved to seemed to hate the president and when the announcement came over the radio that he was dead, everyone cheered.

I guess Alabama was a red state before it was cool.

 

[Remec]

I would have to say My first day I'll always remember would have to be when Challenger blew up. I wont forget 911 either but yea the shuttle exploding is always I think going to be that first big shock. That moment when I learned that things don't always go as planned.

Mine was when Reagan and Brady were shot. We were in the midst of changing classes in high school and someone had heard something about it in the office and it spread throughout the various classes.

I remember Challenger, also. And how the lounge where me and a handful of people would alternate watching soaps and afternoon cartoons was swamped with people watching CNN over and over.

 

[Boxlicker101]

It was just after I had moved to Alabama from Wyoming. Everybody in the area where we had moved to seemed to hate the president and when the announcement came over the radio that he was dead, everyone cheered.

I guess Alabama was a red state before it was cool.

Your fellow lowlifes in the pool hall - presumably they were all white - hated the idea of racial integration, whick JFK was pushing. They also knew LBJ was the new president, and from Texas, a segregated state.

ETA: All the southern states were blue, in that they voted for a Dem. for president. I believe 1960 was the last time that happened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1960#Alabama_popular_vote

 

[3113]

I guess Alabama was a red state before it was cool.

Your fellow lowlifes in the pool hall - presumably they were all white - hated the idea of racial integration, whick JFK was pushing. They also knew LBJ was the new president, and from Texas, a segregated state.

Given the time period, it was likely more about Kennedy being both a Yankee and a Catholic that had them hating. The Supreme Court was more behind integration than Kennedy, though he did send in the national guard.

Box, by the way, is right, Mikey. The weren't "Red"--they were voting Democrat as in Southern Democrats who, alas, were against integration.

 

[sr71plt]

Your fellow lowlifes in the pool hall - presumably they were all white - hated the idea of racial integration, whick JFK was pushing. They also knew LBJ was the new president, and from Texas, a segregated state.

Unfortunately, those lowlife "I hate 'em; just whack 'em" lowlifes haven't gone away. We have some of them posting to this forum.

 

[sr71plt]

Box, by the way, is right, Mikey. The weren't "Red"--they were voting Democrat as in Southern Democrats who, alas, were against integration.

And most of whom also became Republicans. I think this period is too early to be equating to the current blue/red state concept.

 

[nakdsub]

Actually...

Today, most investigators who have studied it, now believe Jim Garrison had it correct. Clay Shaw was almost assuredly the man behind the plot. Oswald may very well have been one of the shooters but believe me, there are no magic bullets. The best piece of evidence we have is the Zapruder film which clearly shows Connelly getting hit long after Kennedy. Again, most investigators believe there were 3 shooters, 2 behind him and on opposite sides of the street and one on the grassy knoll.

Personally, I have always thought common sense would rule Oswald out as the lone gunman. Supposed he sits in the window waiting to get off his first shot; he has all the time in the world for the first one, yet it is the one that misses; not by just a little bit, he misses the whole dang car and hits the curb on the other side of the street. Now, he has to get off as many more shots as possible; he's in a hurry, he's nervous, his adrenaline is pumping, but he still manages to hit his target with the next two shots...after missing so badly with his first?

The Warren Report claimed Oswald was the lone gunman, but the House Select Committee on Assassinations reported a second gunman was a probability and a conspiracy was evident. After the trial of Clay Shaw the jury also concluded Kennedy was killed as the result of a conspiracy.

After much deliberation by ballistics experts the common theory today is that there were three shooter shooting four times. The first shot came from the book depository and missed; the second shot also came from there and hit Kennedy in the back, nicking his back bone and exiting out his throat; the third shot came from behind him but from the other side of the street missing Kennedy and hitting Connely; the fourth shots came from the grassy knoll hitting Kennedy in the head from the front...again, there's no such thing as a magic bullet.

The problem is, it is still all speculation and we will never know for sure just killed our President.

Although nobody was ever convicted, it has been pretty well established the triggerman was Lee Harvey Oswald. There may or may not have been another shooter on the grassy knoll or elsewhere. I'm inclined to think there was not but, if there was a conspiracy, I'm sure it was not a high level one.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Although nobody was ever convicted, it has been pretty well established the triggerman was Lee Harvey Oswald. There may or may not have been another shooter on the grassy knoll or elsewhere. I'm inclined to think there was not but, if there was a conspiracy, I'm sure it was not a high level one.

Today, most investigators who have studied it, now believe Jim Garrison had it correct. Clay Shaw was almost assuredly the man behind the plot. Oswald may very well have been one of the shooters but believe me, there are no magic bullets. The best piece of evidence we have is the Zapruder film which clearly shows Connelly getting hit long after Kennedy. Again, most investigators believe there were 3 shooters, 2 behind him and on opposite sides of the street and one on the grassy knoll.

Personally, I have always thought common sense would rule Oswald out as the lone gunman. Supposed he sits in the window waiting to get off his first shot; he has all the time in the world for the first one, yet it is the one that misses; not by just a little bit, he misses the whole dang car and hits the curb on the other side of the street. Now, he has to get off as many more shots as possible; he's in a hurry, he's nervous, his adrenaline is pumping, but he still manages to hit his target with the next two shots...after missing so badly with his first?

The Warren Report claimed Oswald was the lone gunman, but the House Select Committee on Assassinations reported a second gunman was a probability and a conspiracy was evident. After the trial of Clay Shaw the jury also concluded Kennedy was killed as the result of a conspiracy.

After much deliberation by ballistics experts the common theory today is that there were three shooter shooting four times. The first shot came from the book depository and missed; the second shot also came from there and hit Kennedy in the back, nicking his back bone and exiting out his throat; the third shot came from behind him but from the other side of the street missing Kennedy and hitting Connely; the fourth shots came from the grassy knoll hitting Kennedy in the head from the front...again, there's no such thing as a magic bullet.

The problem is, it is still all speculation and we will never know for sure just killed our President.

From what I read and heard about Garrison, he was a publicity hound who invented a conspiracy based on a number of unrelated events and testimony from unreliable sources. Shaw was acquitted in very short order when the case went to the jury. For one thing, there was no real motive. Unless you are some kind of kook, you need a good reason to plan and carry out a murder of a US president.

One thing everybody agrees on was that Oswald was in the book depot with a rifle and that he did shoot at JFK. He was a leftist and kind of a loser who emigrated to the USSR but returned to the USA and was a member of a group called "Fair Play for Cuba." No high level organization such as the FBI or the CIA or the Mafia or supporters of LBJ or even Clay and his cohorts would have chosen such an unstable character as a gunman.

There might have been a conspiracy instigated by agents of the Cuban government who entrusted Oswald and other members of the group to carry it out. I'm not saying that was what happened; I am only mentioning the possibility.

 

[sr71plt]

I don't have much energy for conspiracy theories on this (while not being flabbergasted if at some point one pans out--particularly the mafia types), but I'll have to say that Oswald is exactly the kind of shooter an organized effort would take to use as a fall guy especially if they were going to turn right around and have him snuffed too. (And guess what.) Not at all saying that's what went down. Just saying that what happened in the Oswald involvement was a classic case of how an organized effort would do it.

 

[xelliebabex]

For those not around for JFK, I guess 9/11 has become the "everyone remembers" day.

For my generation I think your probably right, we are more likely to think of the JFK assassination as one of those conspiracy theory nutter things and blow it off fairly quickly, but that may also be because I am not American.

I remember pretty clearly where I was when i found out about 9/11, though.

 

[Exquisition]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Although nobody was ever convicted, it has been pretty well established the triggerman was Lee Harvey Oswald. There may or may not have been another shooter on the grassy knoll or elsewhere. I'm inclined to think there was not but, if there was a conspiracy, I'm sure it was not a high level one.




From what I read and heard about Garrison, he was a publicity hound who invented a conspiracy based on a number of unrelated events and testimony from unreliable sources. Shaw was acquitted in very short order when the case went to the jury. For one thing, there was no real motive. Unless you are some kind of kook, you need a good reason to plan and carry out a murder of a US president.

One thing everybody agrees on was that Oswald was in the book depot with a rifle and that he did shoot at JFK. He was a leftist and kind of a loser who emigrated to the USSR but returned to the USA and was a member of a group called "Fair Play for Cuba." No high level organization such as the FBI or the CIA or the Mafia or supporters of LBJ or even Clay and his cohorts would have chosen such an unstable character as a gunman.

There might have been a conspiracy instigated by agents of the Cuban government who entrusted Oswald and other members of the group to carry it out. I'm not saying that was what happened; I am only mentioning the possibility.

...hmmm. So the magic bullet theory and the other irregularities highlighted in the trial were just, well, down to LHO? There had to be more than one gun, one vantage point according to trajectories of bullets ergo conspiracy. Who and why is upto the crack pots but personally, don;t believe for a minute it was one guy who wasn;t a sharp shooter and a bit 'of a loser' who got off those shots in double quick time. And there are certainly a couple of strong motives.