Female porn: exist or not exist?

[dirtylover]

I wrote an article about this in my uni days. Apologies for the generalisations.

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Shaun Ryder likes to tell a story of when he was caught importing porno mags from Amsterdam. A big, butch customs woman holds up the offending articles in front of everybody. "So, what do you want these for?" she asks. "To wank," replies an unabashed Shaun, illustrating a fundamental point: pornography is designed for men to 'get off'. Also, it seems to be increasingly acceptable, largely owing to the advent of the internet. With over 20,000 porn sites generating over $1 billion worldwide, porn is the internet's biggest success story. The same was true when videos first came out.

Nobody disputes the fact that porn is popular amongst men, but what of the fairer sex? Do mothers find pornos under their teenage daughters beds? Is the internet crammed with women surfing porn sites? Is it common for groups of female students to watch porn? No, no and no are the answers to these obviously rhetorical questions. The inherent difference between the sexes is never more pronounced than with sexuality. But why?

From an evolutionist's point of view (stay with me), it is in a man's interest to impregnate as many females as possible, thus propagating his genes. The deed can be done within a matter of minutes. A woman, on the other hand, is stuck with nine months of pregnancy. This greater investment means she is bound to be more choosy about who she hooks up with.

This bears out in practice: men tend to be attracted to younger, curvy women, i.e. those that look good for making babies. And they are traditionally afraid of commitment. Women tend to be drawn to men with power, money and social skills, someone who can produce and support successful children.

So men fantasise about lots of different women, more often than not strangers, and they are turned on by the visual cue. Women prefer to fantasise about people that are familiar and tuned in to their emotions. Men like pictures of naked ladies; women enjoy films like Muriel's Wedding . Men are like microwaves, they don't take long to go 'bing!'; women are like boiling water, simmering over every now and then. Men like porn, women don't.

To substantiate this claim, I asked three of them for their opinions, and came up with the following answers: sometimes, indifferent, boring and no. One said "it's amusing, it sums up the simplicity of the male psyche." In one study it was found that women got more 'aroused' by pictures of puddings than by pictures of Brad Pitt. Porn, I would reiterate, is definitely a man thing.
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dl

 

[catalina_francisco]

You just lit something up for me, Catalina. I'd love to see real tartiness in porn (vs. sluttiness). Somehow I think it would require a real actress though.

Good to see you here, Perdita

LOL, decided to spread my wings a little while time allowed. Tartiness is an artform in itself, though he is always willing to explore and tease the slut to come out anf play. I actually found some British BDSM porn recently which I think definately had the tart appeal as opposed to slut.....was very different from US or Australian, and fun!

Catalina

 

[CharleyH]

What bored me about the female targeted porn? Mmmmmm, the cutsy, fairytale storyline.....one guy, one woman......hearts and flowers...and less raunch, more soft lit romance. Didn't work for me. I love raunch, hardline fantasy, larger than life, and explicit details that melt the screen. LOL, yes as Master says, I'm a tart!!

Catalina

I've not seen cutsy . . . yet . . . flowers irritate me . . . well except for your rose . . . hardline? How so. Explicit like money shots? Or explicit otherwise?

Master knows - cuz damn, you sure ain't a slut to Francisco too.

 

[LorriLove]

LOL, decided to spread my wings a little while time allowed. Tartiness is an artform in itself, though he is always willing to explore and tease the slut to come out anf play. I actually found some British BDSM porn recently which I think definately had the tart appeal as opposed to slut.....was very different from US or Australian, and fun!

Catalina

i can do tartiness honey trouble is i'm a slut at heart and lose it during the second act usually.

lorri xxxxxxx even got it in the av tart supreme, giggle.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I've not seen cutsy . . . yet . . . flowers irritate me . . . well except for your rose . . . hardline? How so. Explicit like money shots? Or explicit otherwise?

Master knows - cuz damn, you sure ain't a slut to Francisco too.

Explicit? The more close ups, rude and crude, the better!!
Me not a slut? LOL, if only you knew!!! Phew, thank goodness he took the link to our (badly in need of updating) website off sometime ago.

A little off topic, I am actually wondering if a lot of porn is culturally influenced and widely varied. Never thought overly much about it, but in another thread Dr. Mabeuse refers to how in porn videos etc., the characters are on the top of the scale for attractiveness, perfect bodies etc. I actually find some of the males in US porn downright ugly, but in European porn there is definately a degree of reality in the average to out of shape body, women who are not 18 - 25 yo, and less gloss and more realism. Recent BDSM themed DVD's we bought were very unmodel like women, little or no sex, and no fancy sets. I have found the same in regular porn, just ordinary looking people, some young, some old. In many ways IMO this appeals to women far more than watching a 20 year old, cosmetically enhanced, perfect female over performing the perfect sex act on a set that most of us could only ever dream of. Anyone else notice this cultural difference?

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

i can do tartiness honey trouble is i'm a slut at heart and lose it during the second act usually.

lorri xxxxxxx even got it in the av tart supreme, giggle.

LOL, I think the English have a talent for tart art. Maybe it is part cultural as well....especially in comedy.

Catalina

 

[CharleyH]

Me not a slut? LOL, if only you knew!!!

A little off topic, I am actually wondering if a lot of porn is culturally influenced and widely varied. Anyone else notice this cultural difference?

Catalina

Slut, well my vision of you as a tart is suddenly dissipating

The only straight porn I really enjoyed was something out of Europe, Alice in Wonderland like . . . I think also because of the irony of the red queen (an older porn diva) . . . but can't give a review, it has been to long and is only in memory, and I was watching it with someone at the time .

Thanks for the input looks like I need to do a focus group - lol.

BOOTA! that was beautiful.

 

[Guest]

.A little off topic, I am actually wondering if a lot of porn is culturally influenced and widely varied. Never thought overly much about it, but in another thread Dr. Mabeuse refers to how in porn videos etc., the characters are on the top of the scale for attractiveness, perfect bodies etc. I actually find some of the males in US porn downright ugly, but in European porn there is definately a degree of reality in the average to out of shape body, women who are not 18 - 25 yo, and less gloss and more realism. Recent BDSM themed DVD's we bought were very unmodel like women, little or no sex, and no fancy sets. I have found the same in regular porn, just ordinary looking people, some young, some old. In many ways IMO this appeals to women far more than watching a 20 year old, cosmetically enhanced, perfect female over performing the perfect sex act on a set that most of us could only ever dream of. Anyone else notice this cultural difference?

This is interesting. I have never seen European porn, but am now interested, esp. if the performers are more 'real' looking. I think Europeans are generally more interesting looking. I do not care for the melting-pot look of most white Americans; most of my friends have been non-white or European. I will look into Euro-porn soon.

Thank you, Catalina. - Perdita

 

[sweetnpetite]

Good points all.

Point of clarification: Are you saying that *you* have an opportunity to make porn for women? That would be cool!

OK, I have some idea here.

Spurned on by something Sweet said : I ask because it's a matter of opportunity. If I script and produce something geared and marketed to woman, then I am looking to target what will actually turn women on in the same lowest common denominator way as porn geared to men.

What I hate about videostore porn? DULL . . . agree Fille to many close-ups and long shots in the wrong places under flourescent lighting

I have heard that more women get turned on in a kinky, hot Hollywood scene - obviosly the acting is better, the lighting better, and the cinematography, which does not always equal fairytale.

Angela: nothing wrong with liking any porn obviosly, and somehow my openness allows people who you would never think would talk about it . . . talk about it

Catelina: Always a woman of reason, which I appreciate always. OK, so what bored you? Similarly, I have found a lack of interesting/turn on fetish and BDSM . . . even when produced custom made - hmm, actually especially when produced custom

As cable has expanded the diverse tastes of spectators, so too should porn producers expand to the same diversity - but well produced

Why I hate straight porn: the lesbians have extra long nails that could really hurt . . . the males, well, a given, and hence my penchant for gay guy porn, which even many of my gay friends are disappointed with lately.

 

[sweetnpetite]

I wrote an article about this in my uni days. Apologies for the generalisations.

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Nobody disputes the fact that porn is popular amongst men, but what of the fairer sex? Do mothers find pornos under their teenage daughters beds? Is the internet crammed with women surfing porn sites? Is it common for groups of female students to watch porn? No, no and no are the answers to these obviously rhetorical questions. The inherent difference between the sexes is never more pronounced than with sexuality. But why?


So men fantasise about lots of different women, more often than not strangers, and they are turned on by the visual cue. Women prefer to fantasise about people that are familiar and tuned in to their emotions. Men like pictures of naked ladies; women enjoy films like Muriel's Wedding . Men are like microwaves, they don't take long to go 'bing!'; women are like boiling water, simmering over every now and then. Men like porn, women don't.


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dl

I hope this is meant to be sarcarstic. These are not answers, they are stereotypes. Obviously women like porn. There are lots of women on lit- and we all like porn.

The internet *is* crammed with women surfing porn sites, and girls *do* look at dirty magazines. I never had to keep a stack of playboys hidden, I just snuck into my stepdads stash. A (female) friend of mine showed me a *real* dirty magazine. Girls probably do this very often because we tend to be more protected- not because we are less interested. We don't even know half of this stuff exists, let alone were or how to get ahold of it. And why don't we get together in groups and watch porn? Because it is not socially acceptable for us to do so- or even for us to like porn. So we do it in secret. Men are *expected* to like porn, so they flaunt it- it would be opposite for them, if they didn't like it you'd never know because they'd be afraid to admit to anything like that. Stereotypes tend to self perpetuate that way

 

[sweetnpetite]

I actually like the idea of 'perfect looking people' although I find that most porn actually falls quite short of that. First of all, the men should be hot too (obviously) second the women should not be tatood, peirced and plastic surgeried to death. Breast implants are fine- if they don't look fake. I like the very 'glam' look of most men's magazines- but the movie women just tend to look overdone, as if coving for the fact that they are no longer 19.

What, in my oppinion, would make it 'for women' is that the women would actually be the 'star' IN otherwords, the whole point of the scene would be for her pleasure- weather that comes through pleasing him, intimacy, or pure gratification. (that and good lighting, production, ect)

Don't shy away from kink, hardcore, girl on girl, or whatever. It's not the contentk- it's the *focus*

Recent BDSM themed DVD's we bought were very unmodel like women, little or no sex, and no fancy sets. I have found the same in regular porn, just ordinary looking people, some young, some old. In many ways IMO this appeals to women far more than watching a 20 year old, cosmetically enhanced, perfect female over performing the perfect sex act on a set that most of us could only ever dream of. Anyone else notice this cultural difference?

Catalina

 

[sweetnpetite]

I actually found a link- unfortunatly it's a pay site:

http://www.naked-men-for-women.com/

 

[sweetnpetite]

charley and all others,

here is a link to the thread I started about 'hardcore porn for women' were we hammered it out for a long time, and some people *still* didn't get it. But it has some good discussion on it:

https://forum.literotica.com/show...+porn+for+women

some of my points:

You misunderstood the original post (by me).

the point of the post is that their *is* most certainly a 'nitche' but there are few markets at this time that are filling it- and there are certainly room for more.

And I am not talking about 'erotica' or anything trying to be erotica. I am talking about P-O-R-N. Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman! The point was- a lot of 'porn for women' is not as nasty as the porn for men and *that* is were there is a huge opening for somebody -hopefully many somebodies- to fill.

My point was that the 'porn for women' that is available, is not what I am looking for. And many women here have agreed with me. That is not misandrist. Nothing bad was said against men or porn for men- simply that their is a desire for 'porn for women' that doesn't look like most current 'porn for women' looks like. And it's not what a lot of the male posters have ventured to guess that 'porn for women' would be like.

Why just BY women?

1. Because men can only guess what we like. And they so often guess wrong.

2. Because it's *her* fantasy! I write a story about what makes me hot. A woman reads it knowing that it's another woman's dirty fantasy, that she is not alone

Say it's a rape fantasy- she knows it wasn't written by some guy who doens't know the difference between fantasy and reality. She can relax and enjoy the story. She's sharing a secret with an anonomous girlfriend. It's "Slutty Girl's Anonymous" Tell me your dirtiest fantasies and I won't judge you and you won't judge me for getting off on it. It's not just about ability- it's also phycological.

I'm not saying that it should be that way for all 'gyno-porn', just for this one particular publication which I am dreaming up in my mind. That's the way the publishing world works- some magazines only publish writing by people who live in a particular state. It doenst' mean that they think that poeple in other states *can't* write- it's just what they are looking for for their particular publication.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I wrote an article about this in my uni days. Apologies for the generalisations.

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Shaun Ryder likes to tell a story of when he was caught importing porno mags from Amsterdam. A big, butch customs woman holds up the offending articles in front of everybody. "So, what do you want these for?" she asks. "To wank," replies an unabashed Shaun, illustrating a fundamental point: pornography is designed for men to 'get off'. Also, it seems to be increasingly acceptable, largely owing to the advent of the internet. With over 20,000 porn sites generating over $1 billion worldwide, porn is the internet's biggest success story. The same was true when videos first came out.

Nobody disputes the fact that porn is popular amongst men, but what of the fairer sex? Do mothers find pornos under their teenage daughters beds? Is the internet crammed with women surfing porn sites? Is it common for groups of female students to watch porn? No, no and no are the answers to these obviously rhetorical questions. The inherent difference between the sexes is never more pronounced than with sexuality. But why?

From an evolutionist's point of view (stay with me), it is in a man's interest to impregnate as many females as possible, thus propagating his genes. The deed can be done within a matter of minutes. A woman, on the other hand, is stuck with nine months of pregnancy. This greater investment means she is bound to be more choosy about who she hooks up with.

This bears out in practice: men tend to be attracted to younger, curvy women, i.e. those that look good for making babies. And they are traditionally afraid of commitment. Women tend to be drawn to men with power, money and social skills, someone who can produce and support successful children.

So men fantasise about lots of different women, more often than not strangers, and they are turned on by the visual cue. Women prefer to fantasise about people that are familiar and tuned in to their emotions. Men like pictures of naked ladies; women enjoy films like Muriel's Wedding . Men are like microwaves, they don't take long to go 'bing!'; women are like boiling water, simmering over every now and then. Men like porn, women don't.

To substantiate this claim, I asked three of them for their opinions, and came up with the following answers: sometimes, indifferent, boring and no. One said "it's amusing, it sums up the simplicity of the male psyche." In one study it was found that women got more 'aroused' by pictures of puddings than by pictures of Brad Pitt. Porn, I would reiterate, is definitely a man thing.
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dl

Mmmmm, can't say I agree with much in this...though admittedly I have often been told from early days I am braver than my sisters of similar age where sexuality issues abound. Yes, I have used porn more than once to wank to, inspire thoughts when flesh inspiration was inconvenient....and yes, at 18 (28 years ago) my mother did find my huge porn collection. And I certainly surf the net looking at porn when time allows, often more than my Master.

As to age, admittedly I have overall been attracted to older men, but for looks and maturity in conversation, never money and power....but I have also been known to accept a younger man gladly...and married one!! Master has been attracted to women of all ages, often older, and he set out to convince me to see him as committed and more than ready to take on a granny for a slave. LOL.

Fantasies. I have never fantasised, or dreamt about a man I knew, always strangers, often faceless, until recently....now I figure I am definately in the right relationship as he fills my dreams and fantasies. It is a new and exciting aspect for me. And I have masses of pics of naked women, mostly for art, but I do gain pleasure from them as well at times. I do have some naked men as well, but they are not as available in the same huge amounts. I actually shocked him when my belongings arrived and he discovered just how many boxes of porn I had....LOL, he has placed it in a lockable cupboard so no-one else finds out he married a pervert.

I can only presume you asked the wrong three women......and suggest to get a true picture you need a larger study group than three, and of varying ages and backgrounds....the outcome would be interesting. One such study is written up in the book Changing Positions by Joanne Marrow. It speaks there of how interested women were in porn, how some learned about sex through the secretive access to such, but how many felt it was bad to feel the way they did due to what society had taught them was right and wrong. So the basic attraction to sex and porn was there but suppressed by moralistic learning.

Catalina

 

[Darktouch]

Womens porn

Anone ever read the" Herrotica" series? it is porn by women for women.

 

[jeanne_d_artois]

I seem to get more appreciative feedback for my stories from women. I don't think I'm writing erotica for women but some like it and say so.

Maybe it is because I have strong female characters.

My experiments in this persona as Jeanne_d_artois also seem to appeal to women.

But do I write porn? Probably not.

Og (as Jeanne)

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Why I hate straight porn: the lesbians have extra long nails that could really hurt . . . the males, well, a given, and hence my penchant for gay guy porn, which even many of my gay friends are disappointed with lately.

Not only do the women have long nails, they never take off their shoes. French manicures usually mean a blow job is on the horizon, (must have nice hands for the close-ups). the men wear socks, bad editing has the moaning oohs and aahs dubbed over in places where the participant has a mouthful of whom ever. It's almost comical...no it is comical. Not saying that is works for others, I just can't take it seriously. I would prefer a movie that has a storyline and a plot containing sexual content.

Human sexuality is highly marketable. There will always be some thing for every one. As long as you have a demand for the product, some good PR and good advertising, your in.

I've heard of many books of Erotica for women on the market, but I believe these may be shelved in the women's health section. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

In the mean time, there is more of an abundance of Art and Literature dedicated to women and women's erotica as well as porn. It may only have to be searched out in some areas. There is also some very fine Photography that explores, not exploits, the female form.

Just my two cents worth.

~A~

 

[herecomestherain]

Way over two cents worth...

The following information links are distilled from what I loosely call my Porn Information Database. There are some very pretty pictures thrown in too. The sites are pop up free. (Would I do that to you?)

It pays to do some reading and research if you intend to be a porn consumer, gain enjoyment from adult film and not waste your time and money. It's a tricky thing to do, but not entirely impossible if you're armed with the right information, a sense of adventure and a sense of humour.

A good overview of feminist perspectives on porn
http://www.zetetics.com/mac/freeinqu.htm

A great discussion thread at AdultDVDTalk about the kinds of mistakes Directors and Producers make when trying to cater to women porn consumers.
http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25617&FORUM_ID=8&CAT_ID=3

The promised very pretty pictures. Beautiful film stills from Tony Comstock, a talented filmmaker doing things a little differently. The stills are from his yet to be released latest film. He's making very hot films with real couples. Be warned they are intimate and explicit.

http://www.comstockfilms.com/xanadax.html (link provided with kind permission of Comstock Films). Check out the fascinating background on this company while you're there and view the gorgeous clip from "Marie and Jack: A Hardcore Love Story."

My favourite adult film reviewers,

YogaGrrl, http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/reviews/search_reviews.asp (YG reviews gay porn as well)

Astroknight, http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/reviews/search_reviews.asp

Gaysatyr
http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/reviews/search_reviews.asp

Saki and Flash are also very good reviewers at adultdvdtalk.com

Adult film review written with a couples' perspective. http://www.freddyandeddy.com/dvdvideoreviews.htm

A huge adult film database, where you can find reviews of adult films of every kind and description http://www.rame.net/faq/part10.html

A large data base in which you can find particular performers/directors etc http://www.iafd.com/


The Ultimate Guide To Adult Video by Violet Blue is a great book that just about covers anything you're likely to want to know about adult films including 300 detailed reviews. You can access many of the reviews and entertaining articles on watching adult films at Violet's site http://www.tinynibbles.com/main.html

Blowfish.com have excellent descriptions of the adult films they carry http://www.blowfish.com/catalog/

And for something a little different…
SirVideo http://www.sirvideo.com/hreview.html

Maria Beatty http://www.bleuproductions.com/

And finally you can even join a "smart girls' porn tribe" at http://www.tribe.net/tribe/servlet/template/pub,TribeCard.vm/tribeName/girlpornclub

Happy viewing.

 

[BlackSnake]

Porn is geared towards men, because women have the pussy and that's what me want. The lack of plot is great for men, because it just gets in the way of the action.

Men spend more money on porn than women. I'm sure no one will dispute that. So, why would anyone try to make something that is not geared to towards them.

It's the same with posititution. Women hardly pay for sex, because they don't have to. They have the pussy that men want, and will pay them for. Anyone care to dispute that? What ever kind of woman you may be, there is a man willing to pay to have sex with you? It'll only come down to the price.

 

[sweetnpetite]

short answer.

It exists.


We need more.


.

 

[sweetnpetite]

long answer.

Porn is geared towards men, because women have the pussy and that's what me want. The lack of plot is great for men, because it just gets in the way of the action.

Men spend more money on porn than women. I'm sure no one will dispute that. So, why would anyone try to make something that is not geared to towards them.

It's the same with posititution. Women hardly pay for sex, because they don't have to. They have the pussy that men want, and will pay them for. Anyone care to dispute that? What ever kind of woman you may be, there is a man willing to pay to have sex with you? It'll only come down to the price.

Overly simplified.

There is a market. It is there. It may not be as vast as the male market, but it is still pretty big.

Men just want pussy.

Women want satisfaction.

for a man, pussy may be difficult to obtain, therefor he is willing to pay for it. for a woman, satisfaction is often difficult to obtain- therefor she is willing to pay for it. that is why there are Jigaloes (sp)- not because we can't get sex, but because we can't always get *satisfying* sex. Same will go for porn.

 

[Remec]

I had been thinking about this question, well, for a long time.

Does it exist, or does it need to be produced? If it exists, where? If it needs to be produced, what?

I have yet to talk to a woman who thinks that video store porn adresses them, their desires etc., and yet, EVERY woman I speak to would buy, watch, want something adressed to them.

Would their husbands/SO's watch it with them?

Could this be the newest emerging market?

A query to the crowd in the know.

I'm a little out of touch right now, but I think your best bet in the current market is to try googling for recent titles being sold by Nina Hartley and Ona Zee. Both of them have put out material that was educational/instructional as well as stuff that is more aimed at what their research has shown is more in line with what women and couples have indicated they look for.

Back in the Eighties, Candida Royalle had a similar line...the imprint under which it was published escapes me at the moment, but you could try searching her as well...

 

[Remec]

Unfortunately, most of the other porn that is produced these days is not what I'm looking for, either, because it consists mostly of close up shots of genitals. That doesn't do it for me at all.

What I like in porn is good film of people having hot sex, maybe a little rough, but I want to see their whole bodies and their faces, not just crotch shots.

Exactly my problem with it. <nodding> Even todays crop of magazines fall into that problem. I'm like, "What is this? 'Gynecology Today'?" sheesh

I'm much more into a sort of retro (prolly 'cause I grew up during the period and couldn't see such things) kind of porn. The sort where you had, like, actual movies that just happened to not fade to black when the principal characters had sex.

Not that I can't enjoy a simple loop feature, mind you, they're just not my favorites most of the time...<g>

 

[Guest]

Re: long answer.

for a man, pussy may be difficult to obtain, therefor he is willing to pay for it. for a woman, satisfaction is often willing to obtain- therefor she is willing to pay for it. that is why there are Jigaloes (sp)- not because we can't get sex, but because we can't always get *satisfying* sex. Same will go for porn.

Great rebuttal, Sweet. P.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Re: Re: long answer.

Great rebuttal, Sweet. P.

On first glance, I thought you called me Sweet P.

I kinda liked it.