Fem-Lust?

[JackLuis]

emap, Call Me Booty #1 is six pages! It's going to take some time to read the rest!

I was thinking that it needs some "Biff, Bang, Pow" to make it more Batmanish.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Oh, and the whole issue of femdom -- is it in the same domain of what we're talking about here?

Just about never.

FemDom myth is about a woman who keeps her own sexuality in check under layers of tight fetish clothing that the guy loves to look at, and the man whose fantasy it is-- under lock and key. I have my opinions of course, on who is dominating who, since her being a horndog is not allowed in FemDom.


Although that is starting to change a little bit.

 

[slyc_willie]

Just about never.

FemDom myth is about a woman who keeps her own sexuality in check under layers of tight fetish clothing that the guy loves to look at, and the man whose fantasy it is-- under lock and key. I have my opinions of course, on who is dominating who, since her being a horndog is not allowed in FemDom.


Although that is starting to change a little bit.

Oh, really? I've never looked much into femdom, but my impression of it was more of a "do me and maybe I'll do you" sort of attitude, with the assumption that there were men out there who get off on being sexually frustrated for prolonged periods of time.

 

[emap]

They get a little shorter. At least I think they do.

Stella honestly I'm not real sure a dominatrix is not supposed to be a horndog. Professional especially since not all of the submissive guys don't want to get screwed. Shortbus springs to mind, there is a professional dominatrix in that, she gets her guy off. Granted not by sitting on him but still, when a guy gets off on a woman in charge he wants her horny with him. Even if they don't want sex, screwed up thinking but how it works.

I mean hell let's think about this, men almost always want a woman who wants to be fucked often and hard. Some want a man instead, though otherwise same thing, some want to be the woman and otherwise same thing.

Not very many men don't want sex. Course going back to the dominatrix, they don't always want her to be riding their cock or getting under them. All that means is they don't want her to visibly be horny or get off on their dick.

I believe that is called orgasm denial. I mean they do the session with the woman, then go home and later that night get off on how she was so horny from how good a boy he was that she played with herself and thought about him.

I was in the same spot myself, though not thinking about how I was a good girl for not reaching orgasm despite the attempts to make me or anything. I laid in bed playing with myself picturing the guys I had seen that day doing the same thing thinking about me.

 

[slyc_willie]

So, emap, femdom is, for you, a literally dominant feminine presence usurping any need on the part of the man wanting to get off?

 

[Stella_Omega]

"Femdom" is a sex industry word, emap. It describes a pretty specific set of tropes, all of them defined by male fetishists. And the virgin/whore dichotomy has a big part in those definitions. FemDoms make their reputaion-- and thence, their rent-- by conforming to those tropes. They perform a service.

Women who are actually dominant-- or toppy-- might call themselves "Dommes" And hell yeah, women who are off the clock so to speak, surely do enjoy their fun!

 

[emap]

Nah, femdom means the woman is in charge. Don't ask me why but that seems to mean at least half the time the man doesn't get sex out of her. Course if you are talking porn most of the time there is no actual sex. I don't get it but then it's not my kink either.

I do see the videos to download and have looked. I mean being bound and screwed can be fun, just the ones I find the sex isn't sex or there is no sex. Which makes it not porn but is since there is nudity.

Anyway, I wasn't speaking about the women in those situations of being in control. The guys all fantasize that she is so incredibly horny about the whole thing she gets off after he leaves. This is in reference to there not being sex while she is being the dominatrix.

In actual terms I'm quite sure a professional dominatrix is bored out of her fucking mind with it. I mean it's not like this is her boyfriend catering to her and his wants. We are talking about a woman being paid to do what the guy wants. Despite the fact that she is being paid to do exactly what he wants, she is in charge to him.

Very confusing don't you think?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

My experiences are limited to prostitutes so I cant opine about other sex workers. But all the prostitutes I was involved with had live-in partners: husbands, boyfriends, girl friends for a sense of stability.

That said, plenty of the civilians I've known fuck their bosses and customers and employees, and go home to daddy after 5.

 

[damppanties]

"Femdom" is a sex industry word, emap. It describes a pretty specific set of tropes, all of them defined by male fetishists. And the virgin/whore dichotomy has a big part in those definitions. FemDoms make their reputaion-- and thence, their rent-- by conforming to those tropes. They perform a service.

Women who are actually dominant-- or toppy-- might call themselves "Dommes" And hell yeah, women who are off the clock so to speak, surely do enjoy their fun!

We've been talking about hetero femdom here. What about lesbian femdom? My understanding of femdom is female domination, is all. She's in control of everything. Do the subs get off on her being in control? Of course. Is there some topping from the bottom? Possibly. But that's true of a lot of BDSM.

 

[JackLuis]

Let me throw out a few names for you:

Etaski is one of the very best writers on Lit. She writes strong, aggressive female characters. Her specialty is Sci Fi.

urbanslut is another of my personal favorites. Her stories are mostly in Loving Wives, and are set in India.

cheatingwife also writes in Loving Wives. She claims her stories are true. Doesn't matter to me if they are or not, they're pretty hot.

Those are some of my favorite female authors who write about lusty women. I'm sure there are others.

I left your references for last,(so far) and had to slide back down the thread to recover them.

Etaski has a Star Trek story that I read the first chapter of. Very good and I'll go back and read the rest of it. I don't read much of this Fan-Fic(?) but this one has me hooked. Etaski makes me envious, all her stories are Hot, and she is prolific so it may take me some time to cover it.

I haven't had time to read the others yet but they are on the list.

Thanks soflabbwlvr.

One thing I have noticed is that the use of tags is something I have neglected in my own work. I'm not sure how many people select using the tags, but if it can draw in more readers. I ought to make more use of it.

Well, back to research.

 

[Stella_Omega]

We've been talking about hetero femdom here. What about lesbian femdom? My understanding of femdom is female domination, is all. She's in control of everything. Do the subs get off on her being in control? Of course. Is there some topping from the bottom? Possibly. But that's true of a lot of BDSM.

"Lesbian Femdom" is porn produced for men.

This is not to say that lesbians don't do D/s because they do-- but I have never met a lesbian who says "I'm a Femdom!" "Fem" goes without saying, for one thing.


You might enjoy the essay I have linked in my sig, Dampy

 

[soflabbwlvr]

I left your references for last,(so far) and had to slide back down the thread to recover them.

Etaski has a Star Trek story that I read the first chapter of. Very good and I'll go back and read the rest of it. I don't read much of this Fan-Fic(?) but this one has me hooked. Etaski makes me envious, all her stories are Hot, and she is prolific so it may take me some time to cover it.

I haven't had time to read the others yet but they are on the list.

Thanks soflabbwlvr.

One thing I have noticed is that the use of tags is something I have neglected in my own work. I'm not sure how many people select using the tags, but if it can draw in more readers. I ought to make more use of it.

Well, back to research.

You are welcome, Jack.

Except for being temporarily sidetracked, this was a pretty good discussion on story tags. It helped me to improve the tags I used in stories. Tags thread

 

[Stella_Omega]

You are welcome, Jack.

Except for being temporarily sidetracked, this was a pretty good discussion on story tags. It helped me to improve the tags I used in stories. Tags thread

Yes, there was one very useful post in that thread

 

[Dyslexicea]

I was really going to respond to you but after I read this,

But what about Bad Girls/Women? The kind that will just fuck you silly and walk away laughing?

the easy solution is put on a dress, pretend you have tits and a pussy, sit at your computer and type because what you really want is a story about a man who happens to be a slut. We can be sexual liberated but that doesn't mean we act like men.

What you said was you wanted a story women would read and like. What you really want to write is a typical Lit story where men jack off to it and rate the story highly. Nothing wrong with that if all you care about is ratings.

Since what you want isn't real, please don't make her strong, confident and independent maybe even willful, make her weak, not in control and so needful she can't say no.

Beside there seems to be plenty of women here who think women are just the way you like them, maybe they can write your story for you.

 

[Dyslexicea]

Or fingers. A (hard) penis is not the only thing that works in a man.

They don't know how to use their fingers dear, all they do is finger bang. Give me someone who knows how to fuck with her fingers. Maybe I should have said fuck me with her fingers.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Now that you mention it...

But what about Bad Girls/Women? The kind that will just fuck you silly and walk away laughing?

Well, even at my most bangin', if I walked away laughing? It would have been because the sex wasn't so great.

If it was good enough to get silly, I would want to see the guy again for more of the same.

 

[JackLuis]

I was really going to respond to you but after I read this, -

Beside there seems to be plenty of women here who think women are just the way you like them, maybe they can write your story for you.

Not sure how you formed this opinion of my quest, but you are wrong.

First I want to write things that resonate with readers and hopefully sell something to makes enough money to buy a new mattress. Being broke sucks.

Second I want to write women who will connect with women readers, as they make up a major part of the market. Answering "What do women want," has to be the the most difficult question.

And third, I want to do justice to my women characters. A lot of what I have read on Lit is male stroke, by and large. While that is OK, I wanted to get a little deeper into female motivations and characterizations.

Many authors here 'exploit' kinky stuff, yet I have a hard time believing a lot of it. I'll let others explore their Kinks while I do my thing.

My father gave me some good advice that has allowed me to talk my way out of a lot of difficult situations. He was talking about story telling, which was an art form to him. He said, "It doesn't have to be the truth, but it must sound plausible." Of all the things I learned from my father that has probably been the most important, to me.

Now don't think I'm angry or upset with you, although I was surprised at your reaction to my thread. I like the give an take at Lit. I even have a positive feeling for JBJ and Stella, which shows my range of acceptance, and I understanding that not everyone is as well balanced as I. ( If you believe that, I have a bridge...)

 

[Dyslexicea]

Now that you mention it... Well, even at my most bangin', if I walked away laughing? It would have been because the sex wasn't so great.

If it was good enough to get silly, I would want to see the guy again for more of the same.

^And you decide who, where, when and if you want more than just sex.

See Jack we pick and choose. Maybe it can seem we are out of control but we never are. We just don't fuck anyone. I go to a club, in my case a lesbian club, I want sex, that's all I want but out of all those women I'm maybe interested in two or three. If it doesn't work I go home, I don't have to have sex I choose to have sex. Most men well take whatever they can get.

Truth is Jack is never just that simple, fuck them and leave them, we do have emotions, we do at times bond with that person we just wanted to fuck. Get it!

Most of us aren't sluts, no matter how liberated we are. Stella has a great definition of a slut, and the truth is a slut well be marketable to men but never women, at least not most women.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Second I want to write women who will connect with women readers, as they make up a major part of the market. Answering "What do women want," has to be the the most difficult question.

here's a formula which works pretty well. Mind you, this is ONE of the ways SOME women want. Not all.

They want thoughtful, communicative men.
But Manly!
Who think that she's the most desirable woman on earth.
But don't care about her presentation.
But compliment her when she dresses up!
Who don't brag about their dicks. Even when they could.
Who can read her mind in bed.
Who can take a little direction with grace and eagerness.
Who can give a little direction with grace and eagerness.
Who call her the next day.

^And you decide who, where, when and if you want more than just sex.

Well... really, it has to be a little bit more mutual than that. There were plenty guys who did NOT want to meet up and do it again. No matter how good it was. They didn't want me to fall in love with them-- now I understand more about guys, that was total projection, but whatevs.

 

[Safe_Bet]

here's a formula which works pretty well. Mind you, this is ONE of the ways SOME women want. Not all.

They want thoughtful, communicative men.
But Manly!
Who think that she's the most desirable woman on earth.
But don't care about her presentation.
But compliment her when she dresses up!
Who don't brag about their dicks. Even when they could.
Who can read her mind in bed.
Who can take a little direction with grace and eagerness.
Who can give a little direction with grace and eagerness.
Who call her the next day.

Thanks for the "some, not all" qualification!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Almost all my reader fans are female. Virtually all of my female characters want one or two things, to be knocked up and to have a nest. They dont respect men who are clueless about what to do with a pussy. You fill it up with something, is the correct answer.

The females I've fucked respond to pillow talk about making babies. I remember a teacher a dated. She had several fuck buddies but intimated to me that all the rest had to wear condoms with her but not me, cuz she liked the idea of me knocking her up.

 

[JackLuis]

-
See Jack we pick and choose.
Most of us aren't sluts, no matter how liberated we are. Stella has a great definition of a slut, and the truth is a slut well be marketable to men but never women, at least not most women.

I don't think I have ever met a real slut. I've met women who would fuck me on the first date. I've covered a few working girls. I have met a few foul mouth cunts, but they didn't appeal to me, so does that mean I'm not the slut?

I acknowledge that men don't attach as much emotion to sex as women, but even that is widely variable.

Also I would like to point out that I was discussing writing not personal feelings.

Have you ever read my work? I'd like you impression of "Slippery Dickory Doc," it's part of my Horner Springs Retirees series. It's a lot shorter that emaps story, I try to keep things under 15K words although I have run amuck and laid down 25K in a inspired moment.

 

[JackLuis]

here's a formula which works pretty well. Mind you, this is ONE of the ways SOME women want. Not all.

They want thoughtful, communicative men.
But Manly!
Who think that she's the most desirable woman on earth.
But don't care about her presentation.
But compliment her when she dresses up!
Who don't brag about their dicks. Even when they could.
Who can read her mind in bed.
Who can take a little direction with grace and eagerness.
Who can give a little direction with grace and eagerness.
Who call her the next day.

You ought to write music to that.

This is who I want "Lester Murphy" to be. He hasn't really been explored or exposed so far to show it much. I take a long view in my writing so exposing the whole story will take 10-15 chapters, I'm guessing. I guess I could take JB's minimalist approach, but that's hard to do and it's limiting.

Well have fun, I'm off to the store.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I don't think I have ever met a real slut. I've met women who would fuck me on the first date. I've covered a few working girls. I have met a few foul mouth cunts, but they didn't appeal to me, so does that mean I'm not the slut?

I acknowledge that men don't attach as much emotion to sex as women, but even that is widely variable.

Also I would like to point out that I was discussing writing not personal feelings.

Have you ever read my work? I'd like you impression of "Slippery Dickory Doc," it's part of my Horner Springs Retirees series. It's a lot shorter that emaps story, I try to keep things under 15K words although I have run amuck and laid down 25K in a inspired moment.

When the sex is good I find that women get very emotional about it, and they start talking shit.
1500 words is an epic for me.

 

[damppanties]

I guess I could take JB's minimalist approach, but that's hard to do and it's limiting.

And there's a certain condescending tone to it. I would never go for someone who wants to 'fill up my nest.' The whole "Oh, I'm feeling faint because you have such a huge penis and can give me babies" thing is a stuck up a male fantasy all over again. Strong, smart women in control of their sexuality would have a bit of a problem with it.