Fellow Christians Of The Board

[Jeff726]

Besides my recnet bout with strep and possibly mono (still waiting for test results on that), the reason I haven't been around here lately, is because of personal struggles I am having as a christian. Hell Bobtoad can tell you from his talks with me that at one point, to try and become better in God's eyes, I declared adult stuff like porn and what not to be degrading, dirty, what have you. I also tried (and failed) to give it up. I really think in my zest to try and become better in the Lord's eyes, I simply burnt out and did too much too soon. While I still have my faith (always will), I just don't think I can give up all that is sexy, hot, and erotic. I hope God won't strike me down for this.

I would love to talk to anyone about this. (wonders if Endlessly is still around the BB) God bless and thank you for hearing my babble.


Jeff
miss me anyone?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I think to to "reconicle" your erotic tastes with your faith you must first at least separate yourself from it for a time. Perhaps you'd be better off discussing this with a Priest, rather than those of us who have found places in our lives for all our tastes and interests after years of experience. Our insight might help you, but not yet, I think. How can you serve two masters, and all that? Get the low down from the pulpit before trying to fudge and find loop holes in the Gospell according to Nookie. How can you know what place God has in your heart if you're busy shacking God up with Lust as a roommate? I'm not saying give up porno, bucko, just leave it alone for a while. You don't start a Pilgrimage to Jersualem by fist stopping off at Vegas and asking people what they think. Go away. That's what Endlessly did, and I think she was very happy to have done so. I wish you luck.

 

[Guest]

I'm not a Christian but I've spoken to a few who've realised that they can have their faith and still have sexual thoughts and desires without flogging themselves to death over it.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that the antisex stuff wasn't brought in till a long time after the New Testament was first written down. In my opinion, so long as you don't go around coveting thy neighbour's wife you should be alright looking at a few exotic pictures now and again.

 

[Jeff726]

Go away. That's what Endlessly did, and I think she was very happy to have done so. I wish you luck.

Oh ok. I must have missed her leaving. Ah well. Thanks for the advice Dixon you are a good person to talk to.

 

[Jeff726]

i forgot to say.....

Well Dixon I did go away for a while and in my thinking, I guess I just realised I couldn't stay away. Something about the people here too and how they treat me as a human (most anyways) also made me feel like I couldn't stay away. Talk about being confused and conflicted, eh? Earthmuffin told me I was, and wow she was right!

As the song goes, "sweet temptation calls me home....."

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

You're welcome. I should clarify that Endlessly went away, but she came back. I believe I'm right in saying that she felt her time away from Lit to be the right decision so she could explore her faith witout prejuidice. She's busy right now, that's all, but hasn't abandoned Literotica.

 

[Jeff726]

I think really in a sense that's what I was doing too, although I didn't think of it that way until you mentioned what she did.

In my time away, I found that I have a great desire to please God and everything, but quite simply I think I am just not ready for the commitment. Or if I will ever be honestly. I am only human after all. *sigh*

Dixon you have a way with words don't you?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

The temptation to come here despite your faith is about more than porno -- you should recognize that. Adherence to God's dictum's require a steadfast appraoch to all things earthluy, including family, friends, etc. The life of Christ is the model, and once you realize that, the true applications of faith, and its difficulties, become sobering. Jesus wasn't tempted for 40 days with power and sex alone, but with all the simple joys of life, like children, sugar, and good seats at the camel races.

Rent "The Last Temptation of Christ", an over-rated film with under-rated message. The last 30 minutes explore (brilliantly) exactly what you're feeling.

 

[Melody_lane]

So, what's God have against sex anyway?

Enlighten the unreligious one.

 

[Closet Desire]

Well, that's sort of the rub isn't it?

God didn't/doesn't have anything against sex, sensuality, erotica, or nudity. It was man/woman who was ashamed of his/her nudity and covered up. What followed in the Bible was written by men, not God, and the Bible is taught by men and women who conveniently leave out some of the finer points about sexual relationships. The Bapists exiled me as a child for pointing this out in Sunday school.

Now I'm afraid I'm a wayward but happy soul so why should you listen to me?

 

[Chuckus]

Re: Well, that's sort of the rub isn't it?

God didn't/doesn't have anything against sex, sensuality, erotica, or nudity. It was man/woman who was ashamed of his/her nudity and covered up. What followed in the Bible was written by men, not God, and the Bible is taught by men and women who conveniently leave out some of the finer points about sexual relationships. The Bapists exiled me as a child for pointing this out in Sunday school.

Now I'm afraid I'm a wayward but happy soul so why should you listen to me?

I feel the same way, Closet Desire. That damned apple, get you every time, won't it?

 

[Melody_lane]

Re: Re: Well, that's sort of the rub isn't it?

That damned apple, get you every time, won't it?

You're really cute, ya know?

 

[Chuckus]

Re: Melody_lane......

That damned apple, get you every time, won't it?

You're really cute, ya know?

*smiling* Thanks..........not bad yourself there......Miss I have Jennifer Lopez Ass!!!

 

[Melody_lane]

SEE!
I knew I had Her ass!!!!

Confirmation...at last.

 

[Chuckus]

SEE!
I knew I had Her ass!!!!

Confirmation...at last.

Well, in my eyes That is NOT a BAD thing......you have a sweet Melody ass! :->

 

[Bobtoad777]

Yes , I am christian go ahead get a stake and flame thrower ready to burn me.

God has nothing against sex. Yes shocking isn't it. The only restriction if it can really called that is. an one man one woman pairing. its basically for oour own safety. back then they had deseases and stuff too.

If you look in the song of Solomon, real old time Bible. It talks about everything from petting, kissing, oral, anal and regular sex. Yes, its all there, no holds bar.

the thing has been pointed out you have baptists who try to say sex is only for procreation,only to be had when a baby was desire. Or Roman catholics who pronounce chastity. It is very well said here men have interepreted the bible for thier own ends. i believe the bible is the word of God,He used men to write it, but allowed there personality to shine through instead of making them dictation taking robots. but with that siad though out the years the originals have been lost and with have to make do with what we have with the errors of years of translation has crept in. i still believe God can use it and it is a good guide for us.

but with that said God gave us the full free will to choose to follow its precpts as we feel his guiding or we can freely choose not to follow its precepts the choice is fully ours. God does not make us do anything, we choose and make every decision. It is our choice, our responsibility, our lives

 

[Melody_lane]

And you have a sweet Chuckus' personality.

 

[Chuckus]

And you have a sweet Chuckus' personality.

awwww Thanks alot........

 

[Melody_lane]

Smooch.

I do what I can.

seeya.

 

[Weird Harold]

but with that said God gave us the full free will to choose to follow its precpts as we feel his guiding or we can freely choose not to follow its precepts the choice is fully ours. God does not make us do anything, we choose and make every decision. It is our choice, our responsibility, our lives

Well said! Bravo, bobtoad!

Jeff, Your relationship with God is between you and God, not between you and any single church. Organized religions tend to micro-manage the relationship between God and their members. I have found the majesty of a forest, or the solitude of a desert to be more useful in understanding my relationship with God than any sermon ever preached.

 

[Temptress_1960]

Definitely a good answer, bobtoad.

I agree. And there are lots of things in the bible that we just don't do anymore. Things that worked when Christians were nomadic desert dwellers. Such as most of the book of Leviticus (I think that's the one I mean). Dietary laws, cultural laws. Things like that.

And many of the sexual laws were to foster procreation. To increase the tribe. Like the prohibition against onanism (where Onan spilled his seed on the ground to avoid impregnating a woman). With a high infant mortality, and regular mortality rate, you just didn't want to waste that seed.

And the guy who sent his virgin daughters to entertain his guests (yes, I know there's more to it than that). We just don't do that (I hope we don't, anyway).

I don't think the bible should always be taken literally. I know some folks think it should, and I do respect their opinion. I just don't agree with it.

An interest in sex doesn't break God's laws. God created sex to be pleasurable. If you are not hurting someone by your interest in it, like a wife who disapproves of erotica (hard to imagine, I know), then I think it is OK.

Good luck to you, Jeff, in your search for spiritual guidance.

 

[Jeff726]

As I Become A Guru, Let Me Say.....

Bobtoad and Weird Harold have really helped me as well as DCL in a way.

*sigh* Some things I just can't seem to give up, no matter how much I try. Hell I emailed SS earlier explaining all my feelings and how I don't know if I can hold to them.

It's like I am denying my animal side in a way when I say porn is bad or whatever. I could just be pushing away from something I may really be. Who knows.



Jeff
thinks hes gonna end up watching some when he visits a few friends from here next year

 

[Jeff726]

Definitely a good answer, bobtoad.

I agree. And there are lots of things in the bible that we just don't do anymore. Things that worked when Christians were nomadic desert dwellers. Such as most of the book of Leviticus (I think that's the one I mean). Dietary laws, cultural laws. Things like that.

And many of the sexual laws were to foster procreation. To increase the tribe. Like the prohibition against onanism (where Onan spilled his seed on the ground to avoid impregnating a woman). With a high infant mortality, and regular mortality rate, you just didn't want to waste that seed.

And the guy who sent his virgin daughters to entertain his guests (yes, I know there's more to it than that). We just don't do that (I hope we don't, anyway).

I don't think the bible should always be taken literally. I know some folks think it should, and I do respect their opinion. I just don't agree with it.

An interest in sex doesn't break God's laws. God created sex to be pleasurable. If you are not hurting someone by your interest in it, like a wife who disapproves of erotica (hard to imagine, I know), then I think it is OK.

Good luck to you, Jeff, in your search for spiritual guidance.

Thank you for being so nice. You're really cool.

 

[Closet Desire]

Good point...

Yep...great point...it's your choice and your business between yourself and your God...nobody else's.

It would help to remember that the "Bible" which is read in America wasn't written by holy men in the north of Africa or the Middle East, but under the supervision of the King of England who had his own agenda. Too, don't forget that the beliefs in the Bible belong to a people and a culture entirely apart from the European culture. What came to be written down over the years was rigidly controlled and interpreted.

My only point is to take it with a grain of salt.

 

[DriveSouth]

Re: Well, that's sort of the rub isn't it?

God didn't/doesn't have anything against sex, sensuality, erotica, or nudity. It was man/woman who was ashamed of his/her nudity and covered up. What followed in the Bible was written by men, not God, and the Bible is taught by men and women who conveniently leave out some of the finer points about sexual relationships. The Bapists exiled me as a child for pointing this out in Sunday school.

Now I'm afraid I'm a wayward but happy soul so why should you listen to me?

Well, here I go...

I would call this a partially true statement. While I do agree that a "men" actually put quill to parchment and penned the text we read in the Bible, II Timothy 3:16 tells me "All scripture comes by inspiration of God and is useful for teaching, correcting and training..." Meaning? Even though man actually did the writing, they wrote what God wanted, meant...

The Greek word that has been translated to "inspiration" in that text literally means "God breathed", in other words, God breathed his words into the minds/writings of the human authors.

And I could not agree more, God has nothing against sex! I feel you can make a strong case for this using actual Bible references, Someone before mentioned the Song of Solomon...pretty erotic reading, try it. Some of Solomons words have even made it to this forum, at least the SRP. (I can supply a reference if you'd like.) I feel God 100% approves of sex that meets the plan he has laid out for us ie... Man and Wife.

As for man and woman being afraid and covering themselves ... yes, but they had no knowledge of "good and evil" before the eating of the forbidden fruit. Once they gained knowledge of good and evil, and they gained this knowledge by the consumption of said fruit, they covered themselves.

No, this does not mean that I am perfect and have never erred in my Christian walk.

Having said this ... I am fully prepared to be flamed, so let's have it!