Feds Seek to Limit Sexual Images Online

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Article by Heather Cassell

A proposed amendment to a federal recordkeeping law could force adult social networking Web sites and other Internet sites to gather and maintain users' identification.

Civil liberties organizations have slammed the proposal, and have submitted comments to the U.S. Department of Justice on behalf of adult social networking and adult entertainment Web sites that could be severely crippled by the amendment to the federal labeling and recordkeeping law.

Public comment about the new rules and regulations to Section 2257 of the recordkeeping law closed September 10. The new regulations are a product of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, which is designed to prevent sexual and other violent crimes against children, and regulate sexually explicit digital images online.

"The proposed amendment to the federal labeling and recordkeeping law will surely at the least have a chilling effect on users of social networking Web sites, and at the worst [is] an outright and unacceptable invasion of privacy," wrote Roberta Sklar, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force spokeswoman, in an e-mail.

According to Diane Duke, executive director of the Free Speech Coalition in Canoga Park, California, the Justice Department could take up to eight months to process public comments about the proposal before issuing the new regulations. After the Justice Department issues the new requirements businesses will have 30 days to comply.

Duke told the B.A.R. that the Free Speech Coalition would file a lawsuit seeking an injunction if changes aren't made to the regulations to protect individuals' rights.

The regulations require secondary producers, such as dating and social networking Web sites, to gather and maintain personal information from every user who posts a "sexually explicit" photo, according to NGLTF.

Civil liberties organizations stated that the language in the amendment lacks clarity about how personal information, which would be subject to investigation without probable cause or warrants, could be used by the federal government and maintain the regulations violate individuals' rights to privacy and free speech and causes concerns about security.

"The 2257 regulations seem to be sweeping with a much broader brush, using bureaucracy to curtail sexual images," said Susan Wright, media spokeswoman for the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom in Baltimore, which is aggressively working against the regulations and encouraging BDSM and polyamorous communities to join the Free Speech Coalition, which also submitted public comments to the Justice Department.

In a letter to the Justice Department on September 7, the Human Rights Campaign raised questions about the regulations, including security breaches that could affect LGBT individuals. In the letter HRC cited "707 data security breaches ... since January of 2005." HRC pointed out that many of the security breaches were with companies like Monster.com and the SEC Fidelity National Information Services Certegy Check Services Inc., which combined exposed personal information of 10.1 million customers.

"As these companies with better resources than most adult networking sites can attest, maintenance of the security of sensitive data for networking sites with thousands of visitors and members can be very difficult to manage," the HRC stated in the letter. "This creates an unreasonable risk of exposure."

Furthermore, HRC outlined the specific risk for LGBT individuals. The letter cited everything from identity theft to fears of being "outed" to discrimination to hate crimes.

Civil liberties organizations agreed, noticing that the effect of the pending regulations and the attacks on the adult entertainment industry under the Bush administration have led to self-censorship.

According to Wright, the regulations could have an adverse effect on sexual education Web sites. She told the B.A.R. that she's already seen self-censorship happen with BDSM Web sites pulling images. She also believes that the regulations could be more insidious than just including social networking Web sites, and that chat groups and personal e-mail conversations could be included.

The pressure, according to Wright, could lead to some networks and Web sites closing down, particularly if the groups running them are nonprofit organizations that can't afford to operate as a "primary" source for the images.

The regulations call for stiff penalties, including up to five years imprisonment if businesses don't comply.

"We firmly believe it's not about enforcing the intent of the law," said Duke. "It's about putting adult entertainment out of business and seriously damaging the industry."

Operators of adult social networking Web sites are scared.

Kevin Nyland, vice president of corporate communications and investor relations for PlanetOut Inc., owner of Gay.com, didn't want to comment, fearing politicizing the issue.

"There are a lot of legal issues surrounding it and just as a general rule we don't want to politicize the whole thing," said Nyland. "We are taking all steps necessary to maintain our knowledge about the issue and will handle it in the most appropriate way as we move forward."

OkCupid.com, a dating Web site that includes LGBT dating, refused to comment about the pending rules and regulations, after Sam Yagan, co-founder and chief executive officer, agreed by e-mail to speak to the Bay Area Reporter about the potential effects of the regulations.

OurChart.com, Butch-Femme.com, and Craigslist.org did not respond to requests for comment by press time.

Jonathan Crutchley, co-owner of Manhunt.net, which is owned and operated by Online Buddies Inc. in Cambridge, Massachusetts, said with more than 9 million photos posted on his site by 1.1 million subscribers from around the globe it would be impossible to verify the proof of age for each individual picture.

"My company is not in the business of posting pictures of children at all," said Crutchley. "But they want us to prove that we don't do that. It would just be too difficult to keep records of 9 million pictures and growing. You have to be 18 or older to join our site."

Crutchley believes that once the new regulations are enforced he could be imprisoned for life for not being able to maintain records.

"What can they do except close the business and move to Amsterdam?" asked Crutchley, a former Republican, who is keeping a close watch on the issue. "We haven't faced that one yet."

He noted that other adult social networking Web sites, "particularly the gay sites," such as Barebackrt.com and Bigmuscle.com posted banners on their Web sites alerting their users to the pending regulations during the past few weeks.

"I think the Web sites are counting on that [federal courts imposing injunctions based on the regulations being unconstitutional] rather than wanting to go public with political statements," said Crutchley. "Because if you stick your head up you might get shot."

When the B.A.R. asked why he was willing to speak out against the regulations, Crutchley said, "I'm in serious risk, but I would say to Mr. Cheney, 'Go ahead and make my day' – someone has to."

Original Link to Bay City Reporter
 
Hey look, the United States government once again trying to protect us all from the scourge of seeing naked bodies!

Sooo, let's say that thirty years from now you run for a public office. Your competitor finds and releases your old teenaged naked pic looking at logs and BAM! Your career ruined.

I feel so safe now. :rolleyes:
 
Soon mirrors will have to banned...never know what thoughts a person could get from seeing themselves naked fisrt thing in the morning..I'm sure George Bush gets a shiver of desire everytime he sees his....well someone has to even if only himself. :D

Catalina :catroar:
 
I can't believe that guy got elected twice. Oh wait! The election was rigged...

I like Ron Paul personally.
 
catalina_francisco said:
Soon mirrors will have to banned...never know what thoughts a person could get from seeing themselves naked fisrt thing in the morning..I'm sure George Bush gets a shiver of desire everytime he sees his....well someone has to even if only himself. :D

Catalina :catroar:

Supposedly Laura does too, with the emphasis on supposedly.


Fuckers. The majority of the congress probably spend their day in the office looking at porn :rolleyes:
 
Thanks to everyone for commenting so far ...

I don't see it getting lift off, I do think it's pertinent to remain mindful to the potential of these proposed amendments.

It's a multifaceted issue. Taking it just from a perspective of posting imagery that is fetish orientated, I take umbrage with it being swept up into the realms of child pornography. Recently I decided to self censor by not posting a piece of imagery because on closer inspection the model appeared to be under age. The fact is she isn't. It was an exquisite image otherwise, I just couldn't reconcile the potential for the model to be considered a minor.
 
@}-}rebecca---- said:
Thanks to everyone for commenting so far ...

I don't see it getting lift off, I do think it's pertinent to remain mindful to the potential of these proposed amendments.

It's a multifaceted issue. Taking it just from a perspective of posting imagery that is fetish orientated, I take umbrage with it being swept up into the realms of child pornography. Recently I decided to self censor by not posting a piece of imagery because on closer inspection the model appeared to be under age. The fact is she isn't. It was an exquisite image otherwise, I just couldn't reconcile the potential for the model to be considered a minor.

Yeah - it won't stick, thankfully.
 
But, think of the children that would be protected from predators by us letting the man know which social networking sites we post images on!!!

The Humanity!!!!
 
Random bit of knowledge...

The first time the argument was made that American society should be protected from sexual images and/or information occured in New York City (1830/31). The reasoning was that by exposing women and children to sexual images and/or information, the moral fiber of society would be weakened, the sanctity of the family unit destroyed, promiscuity and abortion would become commonplace, and America would become a Hell on earth, driven by lust, vice and greed... Interesting that their story hasn't really changed in over 175 years, isn't it?
 
CutieMouse said:
Random bit of knowledge...

The first time the argument was made that American society should be protected from sexual images and/or information occured in New York City (1830/31). The reasoning was that by exposing women and children to sexual images and/or information, the moral fiber of society would be weakened, the sanctity of the family unit destroyed, promiscuity and abortion would become commonplace, and America would become a Hell on earth, driven by lust, vice and greed... Interesting that their story hasn't really changed in over 175 years, isn't it?

Came true anyway didn't it?
 
One man's deterioration is another man's progress.

They're so on their way out, kicking and screaming though they may be. Dinosaurs.
 
Betticus said:
Came true anyway didn't it?

It depends on your view of things... From the research I did, all the things that moralists were afraid of happening should information/images "get out", was already happening, people just didn't discuss it - or if they did, it was couched in moralist terms. If I remember correctly, tract pamphlets explaining the female reproductive system and birth control options were first published between 1832 and 1834; I know I remember reading about the trial of a female abortionist in 1834...

The interesting thing is that nothing's changed; in some ways "sin" was more openly flaunted in early 19th century America. In the 1830s, everyone in NYC knew where the hookers were. They advertised in the papers, the gossip columns wrote up stories; everyone knew where to get laid, where to get "birth control", and where to go for an abortion. All of it can be traced through court cases of the day, tied to obscenity laws. Over and over again, the rulings favored the moralists - the primary argument being that if women were given control of/information about their reproductive abilities, men would no longer have control over them, and women would magically go from modest upstanding citizens to sluts... which was a bad thing, except for when the men wanted sluts, which was why there were carefully worded moralistic "reviews" of all the brothels/mentions of when ___ would be home to accept callers.

One could argue that what the moralists feard came true, but one could just as easily argue that the horse already left the gate by the early 19th century, because people are hard-wired to like sex/like looking at sexual images, and we've been trying to (unsuccessfully) whip the poor thing back into the barn ever since.
 
CutieMouse said:
One could argue that what the moralists feard came true, but one could just as easily argue that the horse already left the gate by the early 19th century, because people are hard-wired to like sex/like looking at sexual images, and we've been trying to (unsuccessfully) whip the poor thing back into the barn ever since.

Well, frescoes from the Roman empire were pretty racy and OMG! Even neanderthal fertility fetishes... I recall reading about archaeologists finding a carved wooden dildo in a cave dating waaaaay back. I'll have to google it and see if I can find the info.

In a nutshell though, these moralists are trying to suppress basic human nature that is well documented throughout human history.
 
Already here at Lit, there are small steps in that direction. Photos that portray sexual acts, or explicit female body parts, in amateur pic threads, are removed by the admins.

I've had a few sex, and pussy pics removed...

it pisses the fuck out of me. O'course, the ugly cock pics are all still there.
 
Yet another example of politians focusing on the wrong subjects. Nevermind the environment, the war, and our healthcare, lets reduce the amount of pornographic images on the internet. That'll really solve all our problems (assholes).
 
I somehow don't think that the real purpose of this is to protect anyone from anything. I think the purpose is to get us used to losing our rights a nibble at a time.

Besides, if you say you are doing it to "protect the children" you can pass off almost anything.
 
Betticus said:
I somehow don't think that the real purpose of this is to protect anyone from anything. I think the purpose is to get us used to losing our rights a nibble at a time.

Besides, if you say you are doing it to "protect the children" you can pass off almost anything.

I don't know. I think most people in favor of such overreaching laws do in fact think they're protecting kids, and family values. They think that's more important than something than the right to post whatever on a social networking site. I mean, they don't visit those sites anyway. And what slippery slope?
 
Either way, I still think that censorship is bullshit. If you don't want your children to see these images, then don't make them available. Don't go near those adult stores, or don't go on these erotic sites when you know they're around. It's that simple people, or at least to me it is. Hell, they'll be exposed to them at some point in their lives anyway.
 
TheBlackDahlia said:
Either way, I still think that censorship is bullshit. If you don't want your children to see these images, then don't make them available. Don't go near those adult stores, or don't go on these erotic sites when you know they're around. It's that simple people, or at least to me it is. Hell, they'll be exposed to them at some point in their lives.

So do I? And guess what? I don't the first amendment was designed to protect all speech except for obscenity. I think there's no evidence the framers drew any such line! But whadya gonna do. I'm not on the supreme court.
 
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One person's obscenity is another person's art.

Look at how they used to chisel off the genitals on ancient statues.
 
Betticus said:
One person's obscenity is another person's art.

Look at how they used to chisel off the genitals on ancient statues.

Exactly! What's his name had Lady Justice's breasts covered up because he thought it was obscene.
 
intothewoods said:
I don't know. I think most people in favor of such overreaching laws do in fact think they're protecting kids, and family values. They think that's more important than something than the right to post whatever on a social networking site. I mean, they don't visit those sites anyway. And what slippery slope?


No some of them get their action in the MSP toilets.

:)
 
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